Chrome doesn't exist without WebKit. Android doesn't exist without Sun's creation of Java. Android doesn't exist without Linus Torvald's Linux Project.
Google is founded upon other innovations. There own Search Engine is the result of pioneering prior work that they saw an opportunity to evolve.
Google isn't known as first to the game.
Hell, without some former NeXT/Apple Engineers that took positions at Google, Google is much farther behind.
We are [B]17 days[/B] into 2013 and Apple has already been granted [B]98 new patents[/B].
If Google thought Apple wasn't innovating of late, take a deep and long look at 2012 granted patents and the new 2013 batches coming out. The depth of innovation is going to once again leave the industry flat footed.
Apple is different how, no one invents anything anymore. Apple didnt invent anything, they have improved, just like google has.
Look up "google now"
When did I even mention Apple? I was speaking to Google's innovation (or lack thereof), in response to your comments on the same. Call Apple a photocopying knock-off factory if you like, but it's irrelevant and changes not one whit the fact that Google has not a single innovative bone in it's body (which by the way you just agreed with).
As for google now, "look it up" doesn't answer the question of what you're referring to, so again, is it the search accuracy? If so, then I'll repeat - data mining isn't innovation - regardless of who's doing it. Perhaps you're talking about response time? On that point, at present, Google's servers seem to be consistently responding faster than Siri's - so kudos, google now has more network and server capacity devoted to indexing and profiling your personal interests (so the big G can sell your data to advertisers ) than Siri does.
I'm willing to admit it if something I said was incorrect - if you're willing to point it out and explain why. So, do you care to refute what I actually said, or will you continue to try and throw straw men at me?
Stealing iOS was the big innovation Google did. Goggle is floundering in the tablet marketplace because Steve Jobs shut them out and they could not copy from Apple.
Besides the search engine what has Google done?
It is easy to bad mouth the industry but difficult to innovate. Take your own advice pal.
Because it would take a lifetime to explain, and this interview is meant for the general public, so he talks about google's most consumer known products.
Poor excuse. Wired is a tech magazine, is it not? The readers are as much interested in the consumer end as the back end.
In any case, he chose poor examples as figureheads of innovation and people here are rightly calling him out for it.
Where is your major disruptor Google? Still partying like it's 1999, I see.
USEFULL innovation. Sometimes people confuse innovation with just some cooky idea that doesn't go anywhere. There is plenty of innovation, but once a good innovation becomes accepted, then it's all about perfecting the innovation and coming up with OTHER smaller innovations along the way. No one can expect continual innovation all of the time. For every good one, there's 1,000's of lousy ones. Case in point 3D TV. Dumb idea, how many people that own a 3D HD TV actually use them more than 1% of the amount of time they own the TV? Not many. Most don't use it much past the first couple of weeks as it's a novelty.
When did I even mention Apple? I was speaking to Google's innovation (or lack thereof), in response to your comments on the same. Call Apple a photocopying knock-off factory if you like, but it's irrelevant and changes not one whit the fact that Google has not a single innovative bone in it's body (which by the way you just agreed with).
As for google now, "look it up" doesn't answer the question of what you're referring to, so again, is it the search accuracy? If so, then I'll repeat - data mining isn't innovation - regardless of who's doing it. Perhaps you're talking about response time? On that point, at present, Google's servers seem to be consistently responding faster than Siri's - so kudos, google now has more network and server capacity devoted to indexing and profiling your personal interests (so the big G can sell your data to advertisers ) than Siri does.
I'm willing to admit it if something I said was incorrect - if you're willing to point it out and explain why. So, do you care to refute what I actually said, or will you continue to try and throw straw men at me?
I gave you two links, right there, the modern internet, cloud, servers, yes google is responsible for that.
I like google's targeted ads. What kind of youtube videos I watch, what type of food I like to eat on a friday night, google can have all that, better ads and better services for me.
Stealing iOS was the big innovation Google did. Goggle is floundering in the tablet marketplace because Steve Jobs shut them out and they could not copy from Apple.
Besides the search engine what has Google done?
It is easy to bad mouth the industry but difficult to innovate. Take your own advice pal.
what did google steal form ios. No one has told me.
Hey Page, how are those Google Glasses coming? SIgn me up for not buying them. I hope your company squanders every last penny of cash on that turkey. All they are are annoying way to look through something while we go about our daily lives. Those glasses are nothing but a neat demo for easily manipulated Android users.
When did I even mention Apple? I was speaking to Google's innovation (or lack thereof), in response to your comments on the same. Call Apple a photocopying knock-off factory if you like, but it's irrelevant and changes not one whit the fact that Google has not a single innovative bone in it's body (which by the way you just agreed with).
As for google now, "look it up" doesn't answer the question of what you're referring to, so again, is it the search accuracy? If so, then I'll repeat - data mining isn't innovation - regardless of who's doing it. Perhaps you're talking about response time? On that point, at present, Google's servers seem to be consistently responding faster than Siri's - so kudos, google now has more network and server capacity devoted to indexing and profiling your personal interests (so the big G can sell your data to advertisers ) than Siri does.
I'm willing to admit it if something I said was incorrect - if you're willing to point it out and explain why. So, do you care to refute what I actually said, or will you continue to try and throw straw men at me?
yes chrome uses webkit which apple developed and licenses freely as part of the open source license. As many others here have said the only thing google innovated was its original search algorithm. Beyond that they are basically the webs Borg, assimilating smaller companies ip into there own at an alarming rate and then calling themselves innovative. I call them the worlds biggest parasite. Now there goal is to assimilate you and your information and sell you to the ad companies destroying your privacy. I wish them a speedy demise and I would not touch them with a cattle prod.
yes chrome uses webkit which apple developed and licenses freely as part of the open source license. As many others here have said the only thing google innovated was its original search algorithm. Beyond that they are basically the webs Borg, assimilating smaller companies ip into there own at an alarming rate and then calling themselves innovative. I call them the worlds biggest parasite. Now there goal is to assimilate you and your information and sell you to the ad companies destroying your privacy. I wish them a speedy demise and I would not touch them with a cattle prod.
Google does not sell your information to advertisers that would be stupid and destroy their advertising business. It just sounds like you hate google.
{EDIT: Restored because it destroys all of his other arguments everywhere else in the thread. —Tallest Skil}
<p style="color:rgb(24,24,24);font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;line-height:18.1875px;">I gave you two links, right there, the modern internet, cloud, servers, yes google is responsible for that.</p>
Google is responsible for the modern Internet? What kind of drugs are you doing?
The code that would become WebKit began in 1998 as the KDE’sHTMLlayout engineKHTML and KDE’s JavaScript engine (KJS). The WebKit project was started within Apple by Don Melton on 25 June 2001[9] as a fork of KHTML and KJS. Melton explained in an e-mail to KDE developers[2] that KHTML and KJS allowed easier development than other available technologies by virtue of being small (fewer than 140,000 lines of code), cleanly designed and standards-compliant. KHTML and KJS were ported to OS X with the help of an adapter library and renamed WebCore and JavaScriptCore.[2] JavaScriptCore was announced in an e-mail to a KDE mailing list in June 2002, alongside the first release of Apple’s changes.[10] WebCore was announced at the Macworld Expo in January 2003 by Apple CEOSteve Jobs with the release of the Safari web browser. JavaScriptCore was first included with Mac OS X v10.2 as a private framework which Apple used within their Sherlock application, while WebCore debuted with the first beta of Safari. Mac OS X v10.3 was the first major release of Apple’s operating system to bundle WebKit, although it had already been bundled with a minor release of 10.2.
However, the exchange of code patches between the two branches of KHTML has previously been difficult and the code base diverged because both projects had different approaches in coding.[11] One of the reasons for this is that Apple worked on their version of KHTML for a year before making their fork public.
Before you go laughing at others get your facts straight. The WebKit fork that google chrome and IE uses now is the apple fork. I guess Don Melton at apple had nothing to do with WebKit lol. And I certainly dont see googles name mentioned anywhere in there, wheres there contribution to WebKit? Cant find it ? Its because there is not one. Apple has continued to refine WebKit and give away its refinements to others and continues to innovate. Where is googles innovation?
Google is responsible for the modern Internet? What kind of drugs are you doing?
Maybe they have themselves confused with Al Gore.
Start with the jury decision where Samsung was ordered to pay over $1 B - most of it for IP that was stolen and placed into Android.
lol, did you read the decision, the nexus for the most part got off. Google is not responsible for that horrible samsung skin.
Yes they play a huge part in the creation of the modern web, im guessing you didnt read the articles, and the great thing about google, they opened sourced many of those innovations, they made on the server side.
Google does not sell your information to advertisers that would be stupid and destroy their advertising business. It just sounds like you hate google.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAH. Wow How naive can you be? Sounds like your a google sycophant. They can do no wrong in your eyes. They have been caught red handed circumventing both safari and IE's privacy settings and you can really believe they dont use the info gained for there advantage? They got caught recording network traffic from private home wifi's with there street level view cars LOL. What planet do you live on?
LOL.
Go read Eric Shmidts quotes about how if you dont want us to know your dirty little secrets to have your name changed every few years, because according to him that is the only way google wont get your info lol.
The code that would become WebKit began in 1998 as the KDE’sHTMLlayout engineKHTML and KDE’s JavaScript engine (KJS). The WebKit project was started within Apple by Don Melton on 25 June 2001[9] as a fork of KHTML and KJS. Melton explained in an e-mail to KDE developers[2] that KHTML and KJS allowed easier development than other available technologies by virtue of being small (fewer than 140,000 lines of code), cleanly designed and standards-compliant. KHTML and KJS were ported to OS X with the help of an adapter library and renamed WebCore and JavaScriptCore.[2] JavaScriptCore was announced in an e-mail to a KDE mailing list in June 2002, alongside the first release of Apple’s changes.[10] WebCore was announced at the Macworld Expo in January 2003 by Apple CEOSteve Jobs with the release of the Safari web browser. JavaScriptCore was first included with Mac OS X v10.2 as a private framework which Apple used within their Sherlock application, while WebCore debuted with the first beta of Safari. Mac OS X v10.3 was the first major release of Apple’s operating system to bundle WebKit, although it had already been bundled with a minor release of 10.2.
However, the exchange of code patches between the two branches of KHTML has previously been difficult and the code base diverged because both projects had different approaches in coding.[11] One of the reasons for this is that Apple worked on their version of KHTML for a year before making their fork public.
Before you go laughing at others get your facts straight. The WebKit fork that google chrome and IE uses now is the apple fork. I guess Don Melton at apple had nothing to do with WebKit lol. And I certainly dont see googles name mentioned anywhere in there, wheres there contribution to WebKit? Cant find it ? Its because there is not one. Apple has continued to refine WebKit and give away its refinements to others and continues to innovate. Where is googles innovation?
Exaclty thanks for proving my point webkit is a fork of KHTML, just like android is a fork of linux and amazon android is a fork of google android.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAH. Wow How naive can you be? Sounds like your a google sycophant. They can do no wrong in your eyes. They have been caught red handed circumventing both safari and IE's privacy settings and you can really believe they dont use the info gained for there advantage?
LOL.
what does that have to do with selling information.
Again genius if google sells your information they go bankrupt.
Google holds on to your information and the advertisers come to them, they give it to advertisers, and they don't come back to google.
How google works is that comapny "x" comes to google and says we need to advertise to "B' region and demographic and google says okay, and does it for them, your info stays with google.
Exaclty thanks for proving my point webkit is a fork of KHTML, just like android is a fork of linux and amazon android is a fork of google android.
But where is googles contribution to that fork ????? Chrome does not contribute, It uses khtml and apples combine fork. Hense no innovation on goggles part.
Hell google wont even give back androids full fork to the linux opensource group which is illegal according to the open source contract.
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Google is founded upon other innovations. There own Search Engine is the result of pioneering prior work that they saw an opportunity to evolve.
Google isn't known as first to the game.
Hell, without some former NeXT/Apple Engineers that took positions at Google, Google is much farther behind.
We are [B]17 days[/B] into 2013 and Apple has already been granted [B]98 new patents[/B].
If Google thought Apple wasn't innovating of late, take a deep and long look at 2012 granted patents and the new 2013 batches coming out. The depth of innovation is going to once again leave the industry flat footed.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Techstalker
Apple is different how, no one invents anything anymore. Apple didnt invent anything, they have improved, just like google has.
Look up "google now"
When did I even mention Apple? I was speaking to Google's innovation (or lack thereof), in response to your comments on the same. Call Apple a photocopying knock-off factory if you like, but it's irrelevant and changes not one whit the fact that Google has not a single innovative bone in it's body (which by the way you just agreed with).
As for google now, "look it up" doesn't answer the question of what you're referring to, so again, is it the search accuracy? If so, then I'll repeat - data mining isn't innovation - regardless of who's doing it. Perhaps you're talking about response time? On that point, at present, Google's servers seem to be consistently responding faster than Siri's - so kudos, google now has more network and server capacity devoted to indexing and profiling your personal interests (so the big G can sell your data to advertisers
I'm willing to admit it if something I said was incorrect - if you're willing to point it out and explain why. So, do you care to refute what I actually said, or will you continue to try and throw straw men at me?
Try to innovate so we can have something new to copy
Stealing iOS was the big innovation Google did. Goggle is floundering in the tablet marketplace because Steve Jobs shut them out and they could not copy from Apple.
Besides the search engine what has Google done?
It is easy to bad mouth the industry but difficult to innovate. Take your own advice pal.
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Originally Posted by Techstalker
Because it would take a lifetime to explain, and this interview is meant for the general public, so he talks about google's most consumer known products.
Poor excuse. Wired is a tech magazine, is it not? The readers are as much interested in the consumer end as the back end.
In any case, he chose poor examples as figureheads of innovation and people here are rightly calling him out for it.
Where is your major disruptor Google? Still partying like it's 1999, I see.
USEFULL innovation. Sometimes people confuse innovation with just some cooky idea that doesn't go anywhere. There is plenty of innovation, but once a good innovation becomes accepted, then it's all about perfecting the innovation and coming up with OTHER smaller innovations along the way. No one can expect continual innovation all of the time. For every good one, there's 1,000's of lousy ones. Case in point 3D TV. Dumb idea, how many people that own a 3D HD TV actually use them more than 1% of the amount of time they own the TV? Not many. Most don't use it much past the first couple of weeks as it's a novelty.
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Originally Posted by GoodGrief
When did I even mention Apple? I was speaking to Google's innovation (or lack thereof), in response to your comments on the same. Call Apple a photocopying knock-off factory if you like, but it's irrelevant and changes not one whit the fact that Google has not a single innovative bone in it's body (which by the way you just agreed with).
As for google now, "look it up" doesn't answer the question of what you're referring to, so again, is it the search accuracy? If so, then I'll repeat - data mining isn't innovation - regardless of who's doing it. Perhaps you're talking about response time? On that point, at present, Google's servers seem to be consistently responding faster than Siri's - so kudos, google now has more network and server capacity devoted to indexing and profiling your personal interests (so the big G can sell your data to advertisers
I'm willing to admit it if something I said was incorrect - if you're willing to point it out and explain why. So, do you care to refute what I actually said, or will you continue to try and throw straw men at me?
http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2012/10/ff-inside-google-data-center/
http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2012/08/google-as-xerox-parc/?rm
I gave you two links, right there, the modern internet, cloud, servers, yes google is responsible for that.
I like google's targeted ads. What kind of youtube videos I watch, what type of food I like to eat on a friday night, google can have all that, better ads and better services for me.
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Originally Posted by jdsonice
Gee! Where is the innovation from Google?
Stealing iOS was the big innovation Google did. Goggle is floundering in the tablet marketplace because Steve Jobs shut them out and they could not copy from Apple.
Besides the search engine what has Google done?
It is easy to bad mouth the industry but difficult to innovate. Take your own advice pal.
what did google steal form ios. No one has told me.
Hey Page, how are those Google Glasses coming? SIgn me up for not buying them. I hope your company squanders every last penny of cash on that turkey. All they are are annoying way to look through something while we go about our daily lives. Those glasses are nothing but a neat demo for easily manipulated Android users.
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Originally Posted by GoodGrief
When did I even mention Apple? I was speaking to Google's innovation (or lack thereof), in response to your comments on the same. Call Apple a photocopying knock-off factory if you like, but it's irrelevant and changes not one whit the fact that Google has not a single innovative bone in it's body (which by the way you just agreed with).
As for google now, "look it up" doesn't answer the question of what you're referring to, so again, is it the search accuracy? If so, then I'll repeat - data mining isn't innovation - regardless of who's doing it. Perhaps you're talking about response time? On that point, at present, Google's servers seem to be consistently responding faster than Siri's - so kudos, google now has more network and server capacity devoted to indexing and profiling your personal interests (so the big G can sell your data to advertisers
I'm willing to admit it if something I said was incorrect - if you're willing to point it out and explain why. So, do you care to refute what I actually said, or will you continue to try and throw straw men at me?
"Google now"
http://www.google.com/landing/now/
http://www.popsci.com/bown/2012/product/google-now
yes chrome uses webkit which apple developed and licenses freely as part of the open source license. As many others here have said the only thing google innovated was its original search algorithm. Beyond that they are basically the webs Borg, assimilating smaller companies ip into there own at an alarming rate and then calling themselves innovative. I call them the worlds biggest parasite. Now there goal is to assimilate you and your information and sell you to the ad companies destroying your privacy. I wish them a speedy demise and I would not touch them with a cattle prod.
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Originally Posted by Mechanic
yes chrome uses webkit which apple developed and licenses freely as part of the open source license. As many others here have said the only thing google innovated was its original search algorithm. Beyond that they are basically the webs Borg, assimilating smaller companies ip into there own at an alarming rate and then calling themselves innovative. I call them the worlds biggest parasite. Now there goal is to assimilate you and your information and sell you to the ad companies destroying your privacy. I wish them a speedy demise and I would not touch them with a cattle prod.
Google does not sell your information to advertisers that would be stupid and destroy their advertising business. It just sounds like you hate google.
{EDIT: Restored because it destroys all of his other arguments everywhere else in the thread. —Tallest Skil}
Google is responsible for the modern Internet? What kind of drugs are you doing?
Maybe they have themselves confused with Al Gore.
Start with the jury decision where Samsung was ordered to pay over $1 B - most of it for IP that was stolen and placed into Android.
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Originally Posted by Techstalker
Google does not sell your information to advertisers that would be stupid and destroy their advertising business.
Huh? That is their business!
Originally Posted by Techstalker
…has no idea where apple got webkit from.
Do You? Obviously not.
The code that would become WebKit began in 1998 as the KDE’s HTML layout engine KHTML and KDE’s JavaScript engine (KJS). The WebKit project was started within Apple by Don Melton on 25 June 2001[9] as a fork of KHTML and KJS. Melton explained in an e-mail to KDE developers[2] that KHTML and KJS allowed easier development than other available technologies by virtue of being small (fewer than 140,000 lines of code), cleanly designed and standards-compliant. KHTML and KJS were ported to OS X with the help of an adapter library and renamed WebCore and JavaScriptCore.[2] JavaScriptCore was announced in an e-mail to a KDE mailing list in June 2002, alongside the first release of Apple’s changes.[10] WebCore was announced at the Macworld Expo in January 2003 by Apple CEO Steve Jobs with the release of the Safari web browser. JavaScriptCore was first included with Mac OS X v10.2 as a private framework which Apple used within their Sherlock application, while WebCore debuted with the first beta of Safari. Mac OS X v10.3 was the first major release of Apple’s operating system to bundle WebKit, although it had already been bundled with a minor release of 10.2.
However, the exchange of code patches between the two branches of KHTML has previously been difficult and the code base diverged because both projects had different approaches in coding.[11] One of the reasons for this is that Apple worked on their version of KHTML for a year before making their fork public.
Before you go laughing at others get your facts straight. The WebKit fork that google chrome and IE uses now is the apple fork. I guess Don Melton at apple had nothing to do with WebKit lol. And I certainly dont see googles name mentioned anywhere in there, wheres there contribution to WebKit? Cant find it ? Its because there is not one. Apple has continued to refine WebKit and give away its refinements to others and continues to innovate. Where is googles innovation?
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Originally Posted by jragosta
Google is responsible for the modern Internet? What kind of drugs are you doing?
Maybe they have themselves confused with Al Gore.
Start with the jury decision where Samsung was ordered to pay over $1 B - most of it for IP that was stolen and placed into Android.
lol, did you read the decision, the nexus for the most part got off. Google is not responsible for that horrible samsung skin.
Yes they play a huge part in the creation of the modern web, im guessing you didnt read the articles, and the great thing about google, they opened sourced many of those innovations, they made on the server side.
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Originally Posted by Techstalker
Google does not sell your information to advertisers that would be stupid and destroy their advertising business. It just sounds like you hate google.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAH. Wow How naive can you be? Sounds like your a google sycophant. They can do no wrong in your eyes. They have been caught red handed circumventing both safari and IE's privacy settings and you can really believe they dont use the info gained for there advantage? They got caught recording network traffic from private home wifi's with there street level view cars LOL. What planet do you live on?
LOL.
Go read Eric Shmidts quotes about how if you dont want us to know your dirty little secrets to have your name changed every few years, because according to him that is the only way google wont get your info lol.
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Originally Posted by Mechanic
Do You? Obviously not.
The code that would become WebKit began in 1998 as the KDE’s HTML layout engine KHTML and KDE’s JavaScript engine (KJS). The WebKit project was started within Apple by Don Melton on 25 June 2001[9] as a fork of KHTML and KJS. Melton explained in an e-mail to KDE developers[2] that KHTML and KJS allowed easier development than other available technologies by virtue of being small (fewer than 140,000 lines of code), cleanly designed and standards-compliant. KHTML and KJS were ported to OS X with the help of an adapter library and renamed WebCore and JavaScriptCore.[2] JavaScriptCore was announced in an e-mail to a KDE mailing list in June 2002, alongside the first release of Apple’s changes.[10] WebCore was announced at the Macworld Expo in January 2003 by Apple CEO Steve Jobs with the release of the Safari web browser. JavaScriptCore was first included with Mac OS X v10.2 as a private framework which Apple used within their Sherlock application, while WebCore debuted with the first beta of Safari. Mac OS X v10.3 was the first major release of Apple’s operating system to bundle WebKit, although it had already been bundled with a minor release of 10.2.
However, the exchange of code patches between the two branches of KHTML has previously been difficult and the code base diverged because both projects had different approaches in coding.[11] One of the reasons for this is that Apple worked on their version of KHTML for a year before making their fork public.
Before you go laughing at others get your facts straight. The WebKit fork that google chrome and IE uses now is the apple fork. I guess Don Melton at apple had nothing to do with WebKit lol. And I certainly dont see googles name mentioned anywhere in there, wheres there contribution to WebKit? Cant find it ? Its because there is not one. Apple has continued to refine WebKit and give away its refinements to others and continues to innovate. Where is googles innovation?
Exaclty thanks for proving my point webkit is a fork of KHTML, just like android is a fork of linux and amazon android is a fork of google android.
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Originally Posted by Mechanic
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAH. Wow How naive can you be? Sounds like your a google sycophant. They can do no wrong in your eyes. They have been caught red handed circumventing both safari and IE's privacy settings and you can really believe they dont use the info gained for there advantage?
LOL.
what does that have to do with selling information.
Again genius if google sells your information they go bankrupt.
Google holds on to your information and the advertisers come to them, they give it to advertisers, and they don't come back to google.
How google works is that comapny "x" comes to google and says we need to advertise to "B' region and demographic and google says okay, and does it for them, your info stays with google.
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Originally Posted by Techstalker
Exaclty thanks for proving my point webkit is a fork of KHTML, just like android is a fork of linux and amazon android is a fork of google android.
But where is googles contribution to that fork ????? Chrome does not contribute, It uses khtml and apples combine fork. Hense no innovation on goggles part.
Hell google wont even give back androids full fork to the linux opensource group which is illegal according to the open source contract.