Google CEO digs into rival tech companies, says industry needs more innovation

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  • Reply 161 of 197
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,772member

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    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post


     


    Ladies and Gentlemen, Google's Very First Innovation:


     



     


    Stealing from Yahoo!.



    Wow, good find! First time I'd seen that one. It even pre-dates Google themselves.

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  • Reply 162 of 197
    evilutionevilution Posts: 1,399member


    Of course Google wants more innovation and less competition.


     


    Less competition is good for companies - they have a captive audience meaning they don't have to try so hard.


    More competition is good for the consumer - more innovation is required to keep the company on top and relevant.


     


    Google became a household name when there was very little competition and they are still riding on that. From the point they have started to compete against other firms they have not repeated their success.


     


    This Google troll who keeps bringing up Google Now as an innovation. Predictive searching, really? Have you tried it?


    About as random as predictive text can be some times.


    Not an innovation, just a derivative of other peoples ideas and work which is pretty much Google's MO.

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  • Reply 163 of 197
    Hey Larry: how about more innovation, and less talk?
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  • Reply 164 of 197


    Originally Posted by Evilution View Post

    Of course Google wants more innovation and less competition.


     


    I found that hilarious. He actually said "less competition" instead of "less litigation". Maybe he picked a different word than the classic cliché simply to not be the cliché, but I don't think so.


     


    He said "less competition" because that's the only way Google can grow. I don't think any company that actually cares about its customers (well, in this case, we have to distinguish customers and actual consumers) would actually want less competition, much less say it out loud.

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  • Reply 165 of 197

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    Originally Posted by Techstalker View Post


    You stated that android is not open source at all? didnt you?



    Answer the question and stop putting on me, I said that your statement was false and proved it. NOT FULLY OPEN SOURCE!

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  • Reply 166 of 197
    leonardleonard Posts: 528member


    Apparently Google wants an invite into Apple's secret R&D lab to see what they're dreaming up, so they can steal it!


     


    Larry, what makes you think Apple doesn't have a bunch of "crazy" stuff that you can't even think of in their R&D shop???

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  • Reply 167 of 197
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,772member

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    Originally Posted by Leonard View Post


    Apparently Google wants an invite into Apple's secret R&D lab to see what they're dreaming up, so they can steal it!


     


    Larry, what makes you think Apple doesn't have a bunch of "crazy" stuff that you can't even think of in their R&D shop???



    I'm pretty sure I read that Apple engineers were invited into Google Labs "back in the day" when Steve and Larry were still good buddies.

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  • Reply 168 of 197
    anonymouseanonymouse Posts: 7,124member

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    Originally Posted by EricTheHalfBee View Post





    Oh look who's back! Tell you what, when you go back and answer questions I posted in previous threads then I'll spend the time to explain it to you. Otherwise you're a troll not worth spending the time on.



    1. You claimed to be an expert on multitouch with "decades" of experience. I called you on it since I started developing with touch screens in 1985. You never replied and left the thread. Several people including myself were wondering where you went.



    2. You claimed to work for a Fortune 20 company and worked on the deployment of "thousands" of Android tablets, yet never bothered to explain why or what specific software was being developed for them that made Android the better choice. Again, you left the thread.



    You are the typical troll. Say something and disappear. So when you clean up the loose ends then maybe I'll spend some time explaining it to you.


     


    Let us not forget,


     


    3. The "browser engine" he created with his bare hands.

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  • Reply 169 of 197
    Marvinmarvin Posts: 15,585moderator
    gatorguy wrote: »
    leonard wrote: »
    Apparently Google wants an invite into Apple's secret R
    I'm pretty sure I read that Apple engineers were invited into Google Labs "back in the day" when Steve and Larry were still good buddies.

    Back when all they had was bouncy balls and big ideas. At least they've still got the bouncy balls:

    1000

    Outsourcing is more cost-effective for the big ideas these days.
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  • Reply 170 of 197
    anonymouseanonymouse Posts: 7,124member

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    Originally Posted by souliisoul View Post


    Answer the question and stop putting on me, I said that your statement was false and proved it. NOT FULLY OPEN SOURCE!



     


    I've never understood how so many people get snookered by Google's "open" propaganda. It's all "open source" this and "open" that, you'd think they didn't have a proprietary line of code laying around anywhere in the shop. You have to give them credit for duping so many people for so long, and they do have one hell of a propaganda machine they run.

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  • Reply 171 of 197
    :D This site is full of low life. Comedy gold at its best
    I bet some people can't even defend their family members the way they defend apple
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  • Reply 172 of 197
    neo42neo42 Posts: 287member

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    I've never understood how so many people get snookered by Google's "open" propaganda. It's all "open source" this and "open" that, you'd think they didn't have a proprietary line of code laying around anywhere in the shop. You have to give them credit for duping so many people for so long, and they do have one hell of a propaganda machine they run.



     


    What are you smokin son?  With iOS as a dev you are sandboxed (like a child as it were), in Android you basically can run any bit of code you like.  What is it about this you don't understand, or somehow equate to "getting snookered by propaganda"?  Of course, the apple evangelist will take this fact and throw it in my face as the reason Android is so terrible; insecure and riddled with mass destructive malware. 

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  • Reply 173 of 197
    Marvinmarvin Posts: 15,585moderator
    neo42 wrote:
    Of course, the apple evangelist will take this fact and throw it in my face as the reason Android is so terrible; insecure and riddled with mass destructive malware. 

    There are other facts though.

    http://www.slideshare.net/agent0x0/the-android-vs-apple-ios-security-showdown

    Juniper Networks' 2011 Malware Report
    - 13,302 samples of Android malware from June - December 2011
    - Apple's is unpublished but they quarantine every app so is noted as being 0

    http://www.juniper.net/us/en/local/pdf/additional-resources/jnpr-2011-mobile-threats-report.pdf

    Android has a sandbox too, it's just bigger and cats and dogs have been allowed in to leave their mess all round the edges. Run far and free but wipe your shoes when you are done. Do they have Norton for Android yet?
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  • Reply 174 of 197
    kdarlingkdarling Posts: 1,640member

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    Originally Posted by Marvin View Post



    Juniper Networks' 2011 Malware Report

    - Apple's is unpublished but they quarantine every app so is noted as being 0


     


    Quarantine?  How so?   Actually, in that report, Juniper says this:


     


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    "The Juniper MTC database does not include malware samples for Apple’s iOS platform .


     


    This does not necessarily mean it does not exist or that the iOS platform is not vulnerable to malware . Indeed, there have been instances of applications pulled from Apple’s App Store for violating Apple’s terms of service . 


     


    The inability to quantify iOS threats is largely due to Apple not releasing data or opening its platform for analysis."



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  • Reply 175 of 197


    Originally Posted by Marvin View Post

    Do they have Norton for Android yet?


     


    Norton. McAfee. Symantec. All the big names.


     



    Originally Posted by KDarling View Post

    The inability to quantify iOS threats is largely due to Apple not releasing data or opening its platform for analysis."


     


    Good. How else do you think this stuff happens? Trial and error. That slows things down.

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  • Reply 176 of 197
    Marvinmarvin Posts: 15,585moderator
    kdarling wrote:
    Quarantine?  How so?

    Apple's review process is stricter than Google's.

    http://techcrunch.com/2012/11/05/android-malware-surges-despite-googles-efforts-to-bounce-dodgy-apps-off-its-platform-f-secure-ids-51447-unique-samples-in-q3/

    http://www.mcafee.com/us/resources/reports/rp-quarterly-threat-q2-2012.pdf

    "During the past few quarters we’ve seen that the Android OS is the most popular target for writers of mobile malware. This quarter was no different; practically all new mobile malware was directed at the Android platform. The mix included SMS-sending malware, mobile botnets, spyware, and destructive Trojans."

    Google has your back though:

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10/13/android_ondevice_malware_scanning/

    well, sorta:

    http://www.theverge.com/2012/12/10/3751202/google-android-malware-scanner-test

    At least the phones have quad-core CPUs, you almost won't notice the scanning behind that buttery smooth ice-cream jelly bean sandwich.
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  • Reply 177 of 197
    matrix07matrix07 Posts: 1,993member
  • Reply 178 of 197

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    Originally Posted by Neo42 View Post


     


    What are you smokin son?  With iOS as a dev you are sandboxed (like a child as it were), in Android you basically can run any bit of code you like.  What is it about this you don't understand, or somehow equate to "getting snookered by propaganda"?  Of course, the apple evangelist will take this fact and throw it in my face as the reason Android is so terrible; insecure and riddled with mass destructive malware. 



     


    No, not at all (especially since others have already). But, help me understand something. Android is good because it's like Windows? I don't get it. And what does that have to do with "open"?

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  • Reply 179 of 197

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    Originally Posted by KDarling View Post


     


    Quarantine?  How so?   Actually, in that report, Juniper says this:


     


    This does not necessarily mean it does not exist or that the iOS platform is not vulnerable to malware . Indeed, there have been instances of applications pulled from Apple’s App Store for violating Apple’s terms of service . 


     



     


    Pretty funny stuff there. Apps have been pulled for violating the TOS, and that means iOS is vulnerable to malware? No, you didn't write it, but you quoted it, which means you endorse it. So, can you explain the logic of how TOS violations equates to malware?


     


    But, before you do that, there are a lot of other things you need to talk about, like the browser engine you created with your bare hands and your decades of multi-touch development, and, oh, I can't remember the other thing, but maybe someone else can.


     


    You're a real card, KDarlingimage

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  • Reply 180 of 197


    Bill Gates, please come back !!!!!! :D

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