Hmmm.. The lowest price PowerMac G5 was $2,000. The lowest priced Mac Pro is $2500. Not sure how they're in such different categories.
The PowerMac was priced at $1,600 for the longest time and then skyrocketed up nearly $1,000 so they are in very different categories. For a while they sold the PowerMac G4 and PowerMac G5 at the same time this provided a nice mid range and high end option. Unfortunately they killed off their mid-range line about seven years ago and are yet to replace it with anything else.
The PowerMac was priced at $1,600 for the longest time and then skyrocketed up nearly $1,000 so they are in very different categories. For a while they sold the PowerMac G4 and PowerMac G5 at the same time this provided a nice mid range and high end option. Unfortunately they killed off their mid-range line about seven years ago and are yet to replace it with anything else.
Wow! $1600 was only for some of the G3 & G4 models (some were even cheaper) but to compare it with todays' iMac prices seems...off. Currently the mid range is the iMac and high end is the MP. Buy what you need.
It is a niche product that has it's place in crowded spaces like a dorm room or very small apartment but it's difficult expansion, single hard drive, and laptop drive leave it out of the mid-range category. I just can't bring myself to replace a PowerMac with an iMac and the MacPro is way more expansion then is necessary for my needs. Also the 27" monitor on the iMac is way too big.
It is a niche product that has it's place in crowded spaces like a dorm room or very small apartment but it's difficult expansion, single hard drive, and laptop drive leave it out of the mid-range category. I just can't bring myself to replace a PowerMac with an iMac and the MacPro is way more expansion then is necessary for my needs. Also the 27" monitor on the iMac is way too big.
I understand what you wish for, and many people have the same wish. Still, I don't think Apple will cater to such a request. But you never know; they sure as hell created enough iPod versions/designs/sizes. If the iPhone5 is any indication, they might create a S/M/L iPhone and expand that philosophy over to the Mac where they might create the xMac.
If I were an analyst I'd take that key word might out of my post ¡
No. The iMac is a "whole package" computer for people who couldn't care less about any of this. So roughly 90% of people.
I just can't bring myself to replace a PowerMac with an iMac…
You'll notice you're talking about replacing a professional product with a consumer product. So it's to be expected that you don't want to swap there! Except, of course, that even the Mac Mini is three times more powerful in every respect than even the newest PowerMac.
And get stuck with a laptop HD, 1TB drive, measly 256GB of SS storage on the fushion drive, and snail slow performance? I'll pass.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
You'll notice you're talking about replacing a professional product with a consumer product. So it's to be expected that you don't want to swap there!
So what I am supposed to upgrade to?
The minimal number of HDs for a desktop should be two not having a backup is inexcusable. Being able to easily replace the drive is a must. Having to wait for someone to install a drive at the Apple store is stupid (and many people don't live by an Apple store making the task impossible.) The iMac is not a whole package computer and requires other devices to make it function properly.
The minimal number of HDs for a desktop should be two not having a backup is inexcusable. Being able to easily replace the drive is a must. Having to wait for someone to install a drive at the Apple store is stupid (and many people don't live by an Apple store making the task impossible.) The iMac is not a whole package computer and requires other devices to make it function properly.
The Mac Mini server can be ordered with 2x1TB HDD, so there.
The Mac Pro is able to easily replace the drive, so there.
"not having a backup is inexcusable" backups should be kept off site and therefore are not to be made 'inside the Mac'.
And get stuck with a laptop HD, 1TB drive, measly 256GB of SS storage on the fushion drive, and snail slow performance? I'll pass.
You don't sounds reasonable by saying that the Fusion Drive is snail slow performance. All your comments comes across as whining. I don't think I've read one reasonable comment from you in this thread. You want something Apple doesn't offer and you come across as if Apple has made it a personal vendetta to not service your very specific and unusual needs. You sound entitled and elitist. If you have to have a 3.5" HDD (something you think is higher performance than Fusion Drive) then you can't get the 21.5" iMac. It's that simple!
And get stuck with a laptop HD, 1TB drive, measly 256GB of SS storage on the fushion drive, and snail slow performance? I'll pass.
Snail slow? The iMac? I guess you just proved that you're spewing FUD. Even the slowest iMac you can buy today is at least 10 times more capable than the PowerMac G5 that you say you're using. And its a very powerful desktop machine - certainly well within the range of other computers in its price range.
I wasn't making a comparison with the iMac. Doing that wouldn't make sense since the iMac isn't a mid-range machine.
Of course it is. It's between the Mini and the dual CPU Mac Pro.
Granted, it's not the very narrowly defined product that you demand and insist on calling the required 'mid-range' machine, but by any REASONABLE standard, it is.
The PowerMac was priced at $1,600 for the longest time and then skyrocketed up nearly $1,000 so they are in very different categories. For a while they sold the PowerMac G4 and PowerMac G5 at the same time this provided a nice mid range and high end option. Unfortunately they killed off their mid-range line about seven years ago and are yet to replace it with anything else.
The PowerMac G5 which you claim to own was never $1600. So which part are you lying about? Owning a G5 or the price?
Yes, I am entitled. When I spend a premium on Apple's hardware I am entitled to get a product that makes up for the cost that I spent on it. If this was some bargin bin PC I was buying I wouldn't have such high expectations but for the premium Apple charges I expect more and the fact is that Apple's current desktop line is nothing but a joke. I bought my PowerMac in 2005 because they had a decent line up back then and I expected them to keep it up but man have they gone in the toliet. If you haven't figured it out by now I am not one of those Apple users that just makes up excuses for every poor decision Apple makes. They have other products a like but there is nothing in the desktop line even worth considering.
Yes, I am entitled. When I spend a premium on Apple's hardware I am entitled to get a product that makes up for the cost that I spent on it. If this was some bargin bin PC I was buying I wouldn't have such high expectations but for the premium Apple charges I expect more and the fact is that Apple's current desktop line is nothing but a joke. I bought my PowerMac in 2005 because they had a decent line up back then and I expected them to keep it up but man have they gone in the toliet. If you haven't figured it out by now I am not one of those Apple users that just makes up excuses for every poor decision Apple makes. They have other products a like but there is nothing in the desktop line even worth considering.
1) That's all bullshit because there is no bait-and-switch marketing here so you are entitled to nothing. You know what the specs of the machine are prior to buying it hence your complaining now about a machine you don't own.
2) For someone that claims there is nothing in their desktop line worth considering you sure have spent a lot of time complaining about it.
You know what the specs of the machine are prior to buying it hence your complaining now about a machine you don't own.
Yes, and I was satisfied with that machine when I bought it in 2005. Now that I am locked into the Mac platform as I have spent thousands on Mac software and have no other options. The lineup looked good at the time but they are now stuck in a rut. I am entitled to better then this.
And get stuck with a laptop HD, 1TB drive, measly 256GB of SS storage on the fushion drive, and snail slow performance? I'll pass.
You keep saying this as though it's the truth. Do you not know it isn't? Come on.
So what I am supposed to upgrade to?
Let's see, pro desktop, don't want to upgrade to a consumer desktop, ignoring that the consumer desktop on the high end can give pro desktops a run for their money… I guess the answer is to upgrade to a pro desktop.
The minimal number of HDs for a desktop should be two…
1) This isn't your decision to make.
2) You're wrong, anyway.
3) One is the minimum, as that's all that is needed. Regular people couldn't care less about nor need more than one. That's why Fusion Drive combines two drives visually; they'd get confused otherwise.
The iMac is not a whole package computer and requires other devices to make it function properly.
Enlighten me, what else do I need to buy to get an iMac to run?
Originally Posted by pik80
Yes, I am entitled.
No. Discussion over.
…I am entitled to get…
No.
If you haven't figured it out by now I am not one of those Apple users that just makes up excuses for every poor decision Apple makes.
You have a false sense of entitlement that has made you believe a publicly traded company in a free market should cater your every whim. And that's your problem, not mine, not theirs, or anyone else's. From what you've written here you are disgusting human being.
The PowerMac G5 which you claim to own was never $1600. So which part are you lying about? Owning a G5 or the price?
I never said the PowerMac G5 was $1,600, I just said the PowerMac was priced at that without mentioned any particular model. The G5 wasn't even that far off from that price at $1,800 but that was a good attempt at trying to make me look like I was not creditable.
I guess the answer is to upgrade to a pro desktop.
So I have to buy an enormous case that has twice as many drives as I need, two processor which I don't need, two optical drives which I don't need, and more expansion ports then I know what to do with? I'll pass.
"Enlighten me, what else do I need to buy to get an iMac to run?"
You need an internal back up drive. Off site storage is fine (I have this) but I need to have two back ups for my work I don't feel comfortable with only one. If something were to happen to one back up I want to know that I have another back up available. Also I want to use my internal drive for hourly time machine backups and I can't do that with an off site solution. I can't believe we still make computers that have one drive in them in the year 2013.
"That's why Fusion Drive combines two drives visually; they'd get confused otherwise."
The fusion drive doesn't provide the back up functions I need.
You need an internal back up drive. Off site storage is fine (I have this) but I need to have two back ups for my work I don't feel comfortable with only one. If something were to happen to one back up I want to know that I have another back up available. Also I want to use my internal drive for hourly time machine backups and I can't do that with an off site solution. I can't believe we still make computers that have one drive in them in the year 2013.
The only options you can think of are INTERNAL backups and OFF SITE backups? I understand that many people aren't good at breaking down a problem to find a solution but you're purposely ignoring EXTERNAL backups. Get a USB or TB RAID and you move on.
Or buy the 2011 21.5" iMac with the 3.5" HDD. Or don't buy anything from Apple at all. Or make your own machine since you feel that no machine in 2013 should have less than 2 drives.
Whatever you do please stop inventing obscure problems that make you think entitle Apple to build a machine just for your needs.
you're purposely ignoring EXTERNAL backups. Get a USB or TB RAID and you move on.
I do have an external back up. My offsite back up is my internal drive. I bring my external drive into the office every couple of weeks to back it up and then bring it back home so that if someone stole my computer or there was a fire I would still have my work.
"Or make your own machine since you feel that no machine in 2013 should have less than 2 drives."
Kind of hard to do when Apple is the only one that can make Macs.
"Whatever you do please stop inventing obscure problems that make you think entitle Apple to build a machine just for your needs."
They are not obscure problems these are the problems that effect the majority of computer users and all Apple offers are computers that are made for niche markets.
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Originally Posted by jragosta
Hmmm.. The lowest price PowerMac G5 was $2,000. The lowest priced Mac Pro is $2500. Not sure how they're in such different categories.
The PowerMac was priced at $1,600 for the longest time and then skyrocketed up nearly $1,000 so they are in very different categories. For a while they sold the PowerMac G4 and PowerMac G5 at the same time this provided a nice mid range and high end option. Unfortunately they killed off their mid-range line about seven years ago and are yet to replace it with anything else.
Wow! $1600 was only for some of the G3 & G4 models (some were even cheaper) but to compare it with todays' iMac prices seems...off. Currently the mid range is the iMac and high end is the MP. Buy what you need.
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Originally Posted by PhilBoogie
to compare it with todays' iMac prices seems...off.
I wasn't making a comparison with the iMac. Doing that wouldn't make sense since the iMac isn't a mid-range machine.
Originally Posted by pik80
I wasn't making a comparison with the iMac. Doing that wouldn't make sense since the iMac isn't a mid-range machine.
*sigh* So what is the iMac, then. Tell us.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
*sigh* So what is the iMac, then. Tell us.
It is a niche product that has it's place in crowded spaces like a dorm room or very small apartment but it's difficult expansion, single hard drive, and laptop drive leave it out of the mid-range category. I just can't bring myself to replace a PowerMac with an iMac and the MacPro is way more expansion then is necessary for my needs. Also the 27" monitor on the iMac is way too big.
I understand what you wish for, and many people have the same wish. Still, I don't think Apple will cater to such a request. But you never know; they sure as hell created enough iPod versions/designs/sizes. If the iPhone5 is any indication, they might create a S/M/L iPhone and expand that philosophy over to the Mac where they might create the xMac.
If I were an analyst I'd take that key word might out of my post ¡
Originally Posted by pik80
…it's difficult expansion, single hard drive…
No. The iMac is a "whole package" computer for people who couldn't care less about any of this. So roughly 90% of people.
I just can't bring myself to replace a PowerMac with an iMac…
You'll notice you're talking about replacing a professional product with a consumer product. So it's to be expected that you don't want to swap there! Except, of course, that even the Mac Mini is three times more powerful in every respect than even the newest PowerMac.
Also the 27" monitor on the iMac is way too big.
So buy a 21.5". Simple.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
So buy a 21.5". Simple.
And get stuck with a laptop HD, 1TB drive, measly 256GB of SS storage on the fushion drive, and snail slow performance? I'll pass.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
You'll notice you're talking about replacing a professional product with a consumer product. So it's to be expected that you don't want to swap there!
So what I am supposed to upgrade to?
The minimal number of HDs for a desktop should be two not having a backup is inexcusable. Being able to easily replace the drive is a must. Having to wait for someone to install a drive at the Apple store is stupid (and many people don't live by an Apple store making the task impossible.) The iMac is not a whole package computer and requires other devices to make it function properly.
The Mac Mini server can be ordered with 2x1TB HDD, so there.
The Mac Pro is able to easily replace the drive, so there.
"not having a backup is inexcusable" backups should be kept off site and therefore are not to be made 'inside the Mac'.
You don't sounds reasonable by saying that the Fusion Drive is snail slow performance. All your comments comes across as whining. I don't think I've read one reasonable comment from you in this thread. You want something Apple doesn't offer and you come across as if Apple has made it a personal vendetta to not service your very specific and unusual needs. You sound entitled and elitist. If you have to have a 3.5" HDD (something you think is higher performance than Fusion Drive) then you can't get the 21.5" iMac. It's that simple!
Snail slow? The iMac? I guess you just proved that you're spewing FUD. Even the slowest iMac you can buy today is at least 10 times more capable than the PowerMac G5 that you say you're using. And its a very powerful desktop machine - certainly well within the range of other computers in its price range.
Of course it is. It's between the Mini and the dual CPU Mac Pro.
Granted, it's not the very narrowly defined product that you demand and insist on calling the required 'mid-range' machine, but by any REASONABLE standard, it is.
The PowerMac G5 which you claim to own was never $1600. So which part are you lying about? Owning a G5 or the price?
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
You sound entitled
Yes, I am entitled. When I spend a premium on Apple's hardware I am entitled to get a product that makes up for the cost that I spent on it. If this was some bargin bin PC I was buying I wouldn't have such high expectations but for the premium Apple charges I expect more and the fact is that Apple's current desktop line is nothing but a joke. I bought my PowerMac in 2005 because they had a decent line up back then and I expected them to keep it up but man have they gone in the toliet. If you haven't figured it out by now I am not one of those Apple users that just makes up excuses for every poor decision Apple makes. They have other products a like but there is nothing in the desktop line even worth considering.
1) That's all bullshit because there is no bait-and-switch marketing here so you are entitled to nothing. You know what the specs of the machine are prior to buying it hence your complaining now about a machine you don't own.
2) For someone that claims there is nothing in their desktop line worth considering you sure have spent a lot of time complaining about it.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
You know what the specs of the machine are prior to buying it hence your complaining now about a machine you don't own.
Yes, and I was satisfied with that machine when I bought it in 2005. Now that I am locked into the Mac platform as I have spent thousands on Mac software and have no other options. The lineup looked good at the time but they are now stuck in a rut. I am entitled to better then this.
Originally Posted by pik80
And get stuck with a laptop HD, 1TB drive, measly 256GB of SS storage on the fushion drive, and snail slow performance? I'll pass.
You keep saying this as though it's the truth. Do you not know it isn't? Come on.
So what I am supposed to upgrade to?
Let's see, pro desktop, don't want to upgrade to a consumer desktop, ignoring that the consumer desktop on the high end can give pro desktops a run for their money… I guess the answer is to upgrade to a pro desktop.
The minimal number of HDs for a desktop should be two…
1) This isn't your decision to make.
2) You're wrong, anyway.
3) One is the minimum, as that's all that is needed. Regular people couldn't care less about nor need more than one. That's why Fusion Drive combines two drives visually; they'd get confused otherwise.
The iMac is not a whole package computer and requires other devices to make it function properly.
Enlighten me, what else do I need to buy to get an iMac to run?
Originally Posted by pik80
Yes, I am entitled.
No. Discussion over.
…I am entitled to get…
No.
If you haven't figured it out by now I am not one of those Apple users that just makes up excuses for every poor decision Apple makes.
Right, you make up lies about what Apple makes.
You have a false sense of entitlement that has made you believe a publicly traded company in a free market should cater your every whim. And that's your problem, not mine, not theirs, or anyone else's. From what you've written here you are disgusting human being.
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Originally Posted by jragosta
The PowerMac G5 which you claim to own was never $1600. So which part are you lying about? Owning a G5 or the price?
I never said the PowerMac G5 was $1,600, I just said the PowerMac was priced at that without mentioned any particular model. The G5 wasn't even that far off from that price at $1,800 but that was a good attempt at trying to make me look like I was not creditable.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
I guess the answer is to upgrade to a pro desktop.
So I have to buy an enormous case that has twice as many drives as I need, two processor which I don't need, two optical drives which I don't need, and more expansion ports then I know what to do with? I'll pass.
"Enlighten me, what else do I need to buy to get an iMac to run?"
You need an internal back up drive. Off site storage is fine (I have this) but I need to have two back ups for my work I don't feel comfortable with only one. If something were to happen to one back up I want to know that I have another back up available. Also I want to use my internal drive for hourly time machine backups and I can't do that with an off site solution. I can't believe we still make computers that have one drive in them in the year 2013.
"That's why Fusion Drive combines two drives visually; they'd get confused otherwise."
The fusion drive doesn't provide the back up functions I need.
The only options you can think of are INTERNAL backups and OFF SITE backups? I understand that many people aren't good at breaking down a problem to find a solution but you're purposely ignoring EXTERNAL backups. Get a USB or TB RAID and you move on.
Or buy the 2011 21.5" iMac with the 3.5" HDD. Or don't buy anything from Apple at all. Or make your own machine since you feel that no machine in 2013 should have less than 2 drives.
Whatever you do please stop inventing obscure problems that make you think entitle Apple to build a machine just for your needs.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
you're purposely ignoring EXTERNAL backups. Get a USB or TB RAID and you move on.
I do have an external back up. My offsite back up is my internal drive. I bring my external drive into the office every couple of weeks to back it up and then bring it back home so that if someone stole my computer or there was a fire I would still have my work.
"Or make your own machine since you feel that no machine in 2013 should have less than 2 drives."
Kind of hard to do when Apple is the only one that can make Macs.
"Whatever you do please stop inventing obscure problems that make you think entitle Apple to build a machine just for your needs."
They are not obscure problems these are the problems that effect the majority of computer users and all Apple offers are computers that are made for niche markets.