I think they missed an opportunity to eliminate the 16GB model and really squeeze the Surface and other Android tablets by making 32GB the defacto entry level.
For those of you who thinks this marks the end of the iPod Classic. You're wrong. Yes it's time is limited. But, the iPod Classic has 160GB of storage. The iPad only has 128GB, it's still catching up. And it will be even longer before, Apple gets into iPhones or iPod Touches.
That would seem reasonable. I can't imagine the price for 16GB today is the same as it was in 2010 when the iPad first came out.
Agreed. If I remember correctly, my original iPhone was 4GB only to be dropped shortly after for the 8GB and now the 16GB is the starting point for the latest iPhones. Like I said, I think I have right.
$70 differentiates an actual keyboard. As I type on my ipad, it's "ok"- but not even close to a keyboard. There is still plenty of room for the 11" MBA. How bout the fact I can export from FileMaker on my air into a PDF to email. Can't do that on FileMaker go on the ipad.
To think "your" way is the only way is smug and arrogant.
Your Filemaker argument is a bit weak. Almost no one uses Filemaker, and as a former Filemaker developer I can state with assurance that people who use it on the level that they actually know how to import and export are 1 in a million.
Obviously everyone has different uses and many of them are going to be so specific (like Filemaker) that they will need to use one or the other device. The only rational way to compare the two devices is to use a general use case based on apps and activities that the majority of customers use.
Looked at that way, like it or not, we are talking about web use, email, messaging, Facebook, pictures, music, etc. and on that level the iPad is far ahead in utility and popularity. I appreciate your lack of enthusiasm for the amount of "real work" iPads can do, as I try to use mine for that purpose and it is frustrating. The quality of the apps on iOS that you can actually use for "real work" is definitely sub-par.
However, most folks don't run up against these barriers. Your use case (and mine too probably) is too specific and unique to really mean anything at all.
I think they missed an opportunity to eliminate the 16GB model and really squeeze the Surface and other Android tablets by making 32GB the defacto entry level.
That is what I was thinking as well. Seems like a missed opportunity to really put the squeeze on the competition. Not to mention less confusion by keeping 3 choices instead of 4, well 8 if you include cellular iPads. Maybe they did it to keep the people that bought the 64GB from getting too angry since it is $100 more.
Why didn't Apple launch this last year when they launched 4th gen iPad? Doing it now seems more like a reaction to the stock; throwing something out there to get margins back up. It just seems like such a random thing to do. :???:
They've done it before with the iPhone and touch. I doubt it's due to stock drop. It's probably due to trying to procure all the memory to mass produce.
I think they missed an opportunity to eliminate the 16GB model and really squeeze the Surface and other Android tablets by making 32GB the defacto entry level.
You don't cancel the base model mid stream. You just change it to the 32GB model at the next refresh.
For those of you who thinks this marks the end of the iPod Classic. You're wrong. Yes it's time is limited. But, the iPod Classic has 160GB of storage. The iPad only has 128GB, it's still catching up. And it will be even longer before, Apple gets into iPhones or iPod Touches.
Like most people, I don't really care about "the Classic." I see it as the device choice of insufferable snobs for the most part.
I think the last part of your statement about how long it would take for 128GB to move to the iPhone and iPod is likely incorrect however. The fact that they can do this storage upgrade "mid-stream" as it were, without a redesign of the device, indicates to me that its a simple chip swap and that the two parts are of identical size.
If they can simply swap out the chips for a larger capacity chip of the exact same size, then it could literally happen overnight. The fact that this move would do a great deal to improve their gross margins, (exactly the problem in their last financial report), means also that they might be very motivated to do so.
Your Filemaker argument is a bit weak. Almost no one uses Filemaker, and as a former Filemaker developer I can state with assurance that people who use it on the level that they actually know how to import and export are 1 in a million.
Ha! I was developing on FileMaker when it was called NutShell! I remember showing some IT executives at John Deere how you could create relationships in a database just by drawing lines between the do fields.
Your Filemaker argument is a bit weak. Almost no one uses Filemaker, and as a former Filemaker developer I can state with assurance that people who use it on the level that they actually know how to import and export are 1 in a million.
Obviously everyone has different uses and many of them are going to be so specific (like Filemaker) that they will need to use one or the other device. The only rational way to compare the two devices is to use a general use case based on apps and activities that the majority of customers use.
Looked at that way, like it or not, we are talking about web use, email, messaging, Facebook, pictures, music, etc. and on that level the iPad is far ahead in utility and popularity. I appreciate your lack of enthusiasm for the amount of "real work" iPads can do, as I try to use mine for that purpose and it is frustrating. The quality of the apps on iOS that you can actually use for "real work" is definitely sub-par.
However, most folks don't run up against these barriers. Your use case (and mine too probably) is too specific and unique to really mean anything at all.
That was my point. There are a ton of people like me and you who have unique situations. I was just commenting to Pedro who basically poo-pood any functional need for the 11" MacBook Air. That simply wasn't true.
128 GB is great, but the cost is gonna keep me away. I can afford it don't get me wrong, but why pay for something that in about 6 months it will be obsolete with the new new iPad.
Originally Posted by sranger
I just can't see any good reason to get this one with the next version most likely a few months away....
The same reason you paid for it a year before the next model. Enjoy not buying anything ever again.
Need now, buy now. Not, wait.
Originally Posted by jlm8283
Now there will probably be the elite few 1% of the consumer population that will get it just to say that they have it.
Or, you know, because Apple finally offered them something they wanted and because they need it…
Apple wouldn't offer it if they didn't know the consumer would buy it.
Originally Posted by nickk28
Does anyone else find it really weird that no other site at all including apple's is even speaking of this? Legit much?
I find it a little disingenuous that Apple wouldn't have put information about it on their store page, but they have to "prevent "lost" sales" any way they can, I guess.
Originally Posted by Rabbit_Coach
The next iPad will be obsolete in an other 6 months. It's frightening isn't it.
That we take something we don't know for granted, yeah.
Originally Posted by techno
Apple is flooding the market with products and therefore diluting the enthusiasm. No more secrecy = no more suspense = no more cult.
No more teachers, no more books, leads to trolling's dirty hooks…
Originally Posted by anantksundaram
There are no student discounts on iDevices (except for the iMac).
Dang, that we now have to pretend to make that distinction bothers me.
Originally Posted by SCProfessor
What's the current price on a Micro SD 32 GB Class 10 card?
Why is this relevant in any way? How is an SDXC card comparable to built-in NAND?
I guess it was obvious that the very first moment the iPod touches reached the same capacity as the Classic, that some other excuse would pop up.
- the iPod classic will never be updated with SSD
- they will never really make another Volkswagen Beetle
- Vinyl records won't be making a comeback
- Bluejeans have actually been out of style for many years.
In short, nothing is forever.
Couldn't agree more. Especially, about the blue jeans. Men and women over the age of 40 wearing blue jeans just look a little ridiculous! And have done for awhile now. I'm thinking of the fancy embroidery on droopy rear pockets. Ugh!
For those of you who thinks this marks the end of the iPod Classic. You're wrong. Yes it's time is limited. But, the iPod Classic has 160GB of storage. The iPad only has 128GB, it's still catching up. And it will be even longer before, Apple gets into iPhones or iPod Touches.
More importantly, the iPad (with 128 GB) is a very different device from an iPod. They still don't offer 128 GB in an iPod - 64 is the maximum. So it's 160 GB vs 64 GB if you're comparing iPods.
Eventually, I don't doubt that they'll offer 128 GB (and more) in the iPod Touch. At that point, it wouldn't surprise me to see the Classic go away - 128 isn't that far from 160. It all comes down to how the sales volumes look at that point.
Your Filemaker argument is a bit weak. Almost no one uses Filemaker, and as a former Filemaker developer I can state with assurance that people who use it on the level that they actually know how to import and export are 1 in a million.
Obviously everyone has different uses and many of them are going to be so specific (like Filemaker) that they will need to use one or the other device. The only rational way to compare the two devices is to use a general use case based on apps and activities that the majority of customers use.
Looked at that way, like it or not, we are talking about web use, email, messaging, Facebook, pictures, music, etc. and on that level the iPad is far ahead in utility and popularity. I appreciate your lack of enthusiasm for the amount of "real work" iPads can do, as I try to use mine for that purpose and it is frustrating. The quality of the apps on iOS that you can actually use for "real work" is definitely sub-par.
However, most folks don't run up against these barriers. Your use case (and mine too probably) is too specific and unique to really mean anything at all.
Speaking of weak arguments... yours is even weaker.
His point is that some people need a full laptop and the ability to run desktop apps. Filemaker was just one example. Not to mention that I disagree with your assessment. I used to use Filemaker extensively (still do sometimes) and virtually everyone I worked with could export files.
I think they missed an opportunity to eliminate the 16GB model and really squeeze the Surface and other Android tablets by making 32GB the defacto entry level.
That depends. One would need to answer the following questions:
1. What impact would using 32 GB instead of 16 have on profits - since you'd effectively be cutting the price of the 32 GB model by $100.
2. Do you leave the 64 at $699 or lower its price, too? If the latter, there's even more impact on profits.
3. Would 32 vs 16 have any significant impact on sales vs Android or Surface? That is, do people buying the entry level model care and, if they do, would their buying habits change?
I don't think the answer to the final question is clear enough to make it an easy decision.
The next iPad will be obsolete in an other 6 months. It's frightening isn't it. If you think like that you will grow very old before you buy any new iPad.
Still enjoying the "obsolete" 64GB iPad 3rd gen I bought last year. It's so obsolete, it runs all current games, software and media I've installed from iTunes.
This marks the 2nd time I can recall Apple doing this. They had a mid cycle release for the first 16GB iPhone on the market. I think that was January 2008.
That's a sill reason to suggest that's why they offered this today because it assumes that Apple is so stupid that they didn't think of when the iPad first launched or when they are planning the iPad mini release. Do you think that's possible? I don't.
The reason for this product is due to other forces.
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Originally Posted by Conrail
Yeah, but apple fanboys look like idiots when the get their panties all moist over a modest bump in specs like this.
I guess someone's girlfriend complained about the need for a moderate bump in specs.
What's the current price on a Micro SD 32 GB Class 10 card?
I suspect that the next version will be a lot lighter and possible smaller (smaller bezel) and thinner...
I just can't see any good reason to get this one with the next version most likely a few months away....
For those of you who thinks this marks the end of the iPod Classic. You're wrong. Yes it's time is limited. But, the iPod Classic has 160GB of storage. The iPad only has 128GB, it's still catching up. And it will be even longer before, Apple gets into iPhones or iPod Touches.
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Originally Posted by Rob55
That would seem reasonable. I can't imagine the price for 16GB today is the same as it was in 2010 when the iPad first came out.
Agreed. If I remember correctly, my original iPhone was 4GB only to be dropped shortly after for the 8GB and now the 16GB is the starting point for the latest iPhones. Like I said, I think I have right.
Good for Apple!
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Originally Posted by Andysol
$70 differentiates an actual keyboard. As I type on my ipad, it's "ok"- but not even close to a keyboard. There is still plenty of room for the 11" MBA. How bout the fact I can export from FileMaker on my air into a PDF to email. Can't do that on FileMaker go on the ipad.
To think "your" way is the only way is smug and arrogant.
Your Filemaker argument is a bit weak. Almost no one uses Filemaker, and as a former Filemaker developer I can state with assurance that people who use it on the level that they actually know how to import and export are 1 in a million.
Obviously everyone has different uses and many of them are going to be so specific (like Filemaker) that they will need to use one or the other device. The only rational way to compare the two devices is to use a general use case based on apps and activities that the majority of customers use.
Looked at that way, like it or not, we are talking about web use, email, messaging, Facebook, pictures, music, etc. and on that level the iPad is far ahead in utility and popularity. I appreciate your lack of enthusiasm for the amount of "real work" iPads can do, as I try to use mine for that purpose and it is frustrating. The quality of the apps on iOS that you can actually use for "real work" is definitely sub-par.
However, most folks don't run up against these barriers. Your use case (and mine too probably) is too specific and unique to really mean anything at all.
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Originally Posted by lightknight
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Originally Posted by Conrail
Yeah, but apple fanboys look like idiots when the get their panties all moist over a modest bump in specs like this.
I guess someone's girlfriend complained about the need for a moderate bump in specs.
LOL... I think you nailed it… And he didn't!
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Originally Posted by Zoolook
I think they missed an opportunity to eliminate the 16GB model and really squeeze the Surface and other Android tablets by making 32GB the defacto entry level.
That is what I was thinking as well. Seems like a missed opportunity to really put the squeeze on the competition. Not to mention less confusion by keeping 3 choices instead of 4, well 8 if you include cellular iPads. Maybe they did it to keep the people that bought the 64GB from getting too angry since it is $100 more.
They've done it before with the iPhone and touch. I doubt it's due to stock drop. It's probably due to trying to procure all the memory to mass produce.
You don't cancel the base model mid stream. You just change it to the 32GB model at the next refresh.
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Originally Posted by THEMAC1NT0SH
For those of you who thinks this marks the end of the iPod Classic. You're wrong. Yes it's time is limited. But, the iPod Classic has 160GB of storage. The iPad only has 128GB, it's still catching up. And it will be even longer before, Apple gets into iPhones or iPod Touches.
Like most people, I don't really care about "the Classic." I see it as the device choice of insufferable snobs for the most part.
I think the last part of your statement about how long it would take for 128GB to move to the iPhone and iPod is likely incorrect however. The fact that they can do this storage upgrade "mid-stream" as it were, without a redesign of the device, indicates to me that its a simple chip swap and that the two parts are of identical size.
If they can simply swap out the chips for a larger capacity chip of the exact same size, then it could literally happen overnight. The fact that this move would do a great deal to improve their gross margins, (exactly the problem in their last financial report), means also that they might be very motivated to do so.
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee
Your Filemaker argument is a bit weak. Almost no one uses Filemaker, and as a former Filemaker developer I can state with assurance that people who use it on the level that they actually know how to import and export are 1 in a million.
Ha! I was developing on FileMaker when it was called NutShell! I remember showing some IT executives at John Deere how you could create relationships in a database just by drawing lines between the do fields.
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee
Your Filemaker argument is a bit weak. Almost no one uses Filemaker, and as a former Filemaker developer I can state with assurance that people who use it on the level that they actually know how to import and export are 1 in a million.
Obviously everyone has different uses and many of them are going to be so specific (like Filemaker) that they will need to use one or the other device. The only rational way to compare the two devices is to use a general use case based on apps and activities that the majority of customers use.
Looked at that way, like it or not, we are talking about web use, email, messaging, Facebook, pictures, music, etc. and on that level the iPad is far ahead in utility and popularity. I appreciate your lack of enthusiasm for the amount of "real work" iPads can do, as I try to use mine for that purpose and it is frustrating. The quality of the apps on iOS that you can actually use for "real work" is definitely sub-par.
However, most folks don't run up against these barriers. Your use case (and mine too probably) is too specific and unique to really mean anything at all.
That was my point. There are a ton of people like me and you who have unique situations. I was just commenting to Pedro who basically poo-pood any functional need for the 11" MacBook Air. That simply wasn't true.
Originally Posted by jlm8283
128 GB is great, but the cost is gonna keep me away. I can afford it don't get me wrong, but why pay for something that in about 6 months it will be obsolete with the new new iPad.
Originally Posted by sranger
I just can't see any good reason to get this one with the next version most likely a few months away....
The same reason you paid for it a year before the next model. Enjoy not buying anything ever again.
Need now, buy now. Not, wait.
Originally Posted by jlm8283
Now there will probably be the elite few 1% of the consumer population that will get it just to say that they have it.
Or, you know, because Apple finally offered them something they wanted and because they need it…
Apple wouldn't offer it if they didn't know the consumer would buy it.
Originally Posted by nickk28
Does anyone else find it really weird that no other site at all including apple's is even speaking of this? Legit much?
I find it a little disingenuous that Apple wouldn't have put information about it on their store page, but they have to "prevent "lost" sales" any way they can, I guess.
Originally Posted by Rabbit_Coach
The next iPad will be obsolete in an other 6 months. It's frightening isn't it.
That we take something we don't know for granted, yeah.
Originally Posted by techno
Apple is flooding the market with products and therefore diluting the enthusiasm. No more secrecy = no more suspense = no more cult.
No more teachers, no more books, leads to trolling's dirty hooks…
Originally Posted by anantksundaram
There are no student discounts on iDevices (except for the iMac).
Dang, that we now have to pretend to make that distinction bothers me.
Originally Posted by SCProfessor
What's the current price on a Micro SD 32 GB Class 10 card?
Why is this relevant in any way? How is an SDXC card comparable to built-in NAND?
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee
I guess it was obvious that the very first moment the iPod touches reached the same capacity as the Classic, that some other excuse would pop up.
- the iPod classic will never be updated with SSD
- they will never really make another Volkswagen Beetle
- Vinyl records won't be making a comeback
- Bluejeans have actually been out of style for many years.
In short, nothing is forever.
Couldn't agree more. Especially, about the blue jeans. Men and women over the age of 40 wearing blue jeans just look a little ridiculous! And have done for awhile now. I'm thinking of the fancy embroidery on droopy rear pockets. Ugh!
The 60's aren't coming back, either!
More importantly, the iPad (with 128 GB) is a very different device from an iPod. They still don't offer 128 GB in an iPod - 64 is the maximum. So it's 160 GB vs 64 GB if you're comparing iPods.
Eventually, I don't doubt that they'll offer 128 GB (and more) in the iPod Touch. At that point, it wouldn't surprise me to see the Classic go away - 128 isn't that far from 160. It all comes down to how the sales volumes look at that point.
Speaking of weak arguments... yours is even weaker.
His point is that some people need a full laptop and the ability to run desktop apps. Filemaker was just one example. Not to mention that I disagree with your assessment. I used to use Filemaker extensively (still do sometimes) and virtually everyone I worked with could export files.
That depends. One would need to answer the following questions:
1. What impact would using 32 GB instead of 16 have on profits - since you'd effectively be cutting the price of the 32 GB model by $100.
2. Do you leave the 64 at $699 or lower its price, too? If the latter, there's even more impact on profits.
3. Would 32 vs 16 have any significant impact on sales vs Android or Surface? That is, do people buying the entry level model care and, if they do, would their buying habits change?
I don't think the answer to the final question is clear enough to make it an easy decision.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Why is this relevant in any way? How is an SDXC card comparable to built-in NAND?
It's not young padawan, and that's the reason you have failed. A stable cloud and a card are all a man needs.
Originally Posted by SCProfessor
A stable cloud and a card are all a man needs.
Abject nonsense.
Still enjoying the "obsolete" 64GB iPad 3rd gen I bought last year. It's so obsolete, it runs all current games, software and media I've installed from iTunes.
That's a sill reason to suggest that's why they offered this today because it assumes that Apple is so stupid that they didn't think of when the iPad first launched or when they are planning the iPad mini release. Do you think that's possible? I don't.
The reason for this product is due to other forces.