I think the cost is reasonable. It's double the storage for only 100 bucks more. I'd say that's pretty good deal.
That's the marketing built into the pricing structure. I have a 64GB iPad and I use like 4GB. I've done this every time because "it's just $100 and what if i need that space" I tell myself. They've got me where they want me.
I do wonder the cost and hope iFixit does a teardown, although I doubt they will. If we do get to see inside I'd like to know if the are using 20/25nm chips now which could mean that we'll see a boost across the line for the same price points this year.
Also, if we're getting this now and not later this year does that mean there won't be a new, lighter and thinner iPad coming out until after the 2nd half of the year? Does the Surface Pro play any role in this 128GB release?
Sooooo... are they still going to release an iPad "5" in April or so, or does this news eliminate that possibility and the iPad "5" will in October-ish? Now, I'm confused if I should wait for April or just buy now cuz the "5" isn't for 8-9 months! Any thoughts or insight from anyone? Thanks.
Secondly, I hope the iPad "5" they do some innovation on the OS this year, spruce up multi-tasking, add some new features -- not just make it thinner with changed corners and new back.
Unless you need a trully fast laptop for some use (think the best of them all, a rMBP 15) the iPad is the best computer on the market today.
I have the rMBP, an iPad 3 and an iPad mini and I couldn't disagree more with your opinion. (bolded part, my emphasis)
The comparison between a computer and an iPad has nothing to do with speed, simply capabilities. I don't believe the iPad is really a computer at all. If the iPad is a computer then so is an iPhone, which seems absurd to me.
If the iPad is to be considered a computer, it is probably the worst computer on the market. It certainly cannot replace a real computer for my needs.
Sooooo... are they still going to release an iPad "5" in April or so, or does this news eliminate that possibility and the iPad "5" will in October-ish?
They added a 16GB iPhone in January 2008 and still released the iPhone 3G in June.
I don't necessarily buy the "6-month cycle" idea myself, but there you have it.
Why is this relevant in any way? How is an SDXC card comparable to built-in NAND?
It's not young padawan, and that's the reason you have failed. A stable cloud and a card are all a man needs.
It does depend on use-case, but a 128GB SD card is about $100 +/-30 at Fry's, and Apple is charging $300 for 112 GB. I understand they can demand the "extra" $100 for double the storage, but for people that actually want access to lots of storage on a tablet other options might start to look attractive. Personally though, I would much rather have my VPN and web server to access full range of files.
I just noticed it's not available until next week. Usually these would be silent and they'd be available immediately. So why this official notification and lead time. Well the Surface Pro goes on sale February 9th and has prices that are $70 higher than the same capacity iPad with Cellular. I wouldn't call it a smoking gun but it's definitely my prime suspect for this update.
Surface Pro with Windows 8 Pro, 64 GB (no keyboard cover): $899
Surface Pro with Windows 8 Pro, 128 GB (no keyboard cover): $999
Sooooo... are they still going to release an iPad "5" in April or so, or does this news eliminate that possibility and the iPad "5" will in October-ish? Now, I'm confused if I should wait for April or just buy now cuz the "5" isn't for 8-9 months! Any thoughts or insight from anyone? Thanks.
I think only going past that day with no release eliminates it I would say that the probability is much diminished when there is an update to the line that arrives just a few months before. I never think April made sense, though.
Just goes to show that it's easy to justify any argument if you want to play fast and loose with logic.
The 128 GB iPad is $300 more than the base unit. (If you want cell phone, that's an additional $130, but applies regardless of whether you have the WiFi model or the cell model.)
Meanwhile, your 64 GB iPad was $200 more than the base model.
The difference is $100, not $430.
What Absolute Ridiculousness Are You On About?
The iPad Does Not Have 'Cell Phone' (as in the ability to make place regualr phone calls) Capabilities - Never Has.
This marks the 2nd time I can recall Apple doing this. They had a mid cycle release for the first 16GB iPhone on the market. I think that was January 2008.
That's a sill reason to suggest that's why they offered this today because it assumes that Apple is so stupid that they didn't think of when the iPad first launched or when they are planning the iPad mini release. Do you think that's possible? I don't.
The reason for this product is due to other forces.
They do occasional mid-cycle updates with computers, the first 8 core Mac Pro was one. They did it at least once with iPods. Maybe a recent introduction of the chips needed to make this size available? Or a new production line of said chips to supply Apple's demand?
CPU and RAM? Who cares about that sh*t? iOS is so well coded that an iPad 4 runs circles around any computer on the market today, unless you need Computer-only tasks, making this 1vs1 stupid. Larger screen? Who cares about it when the iPad has "the" screen?
Who cares about desktops apps when you have apps designed just for your iPad? What about battery life?
Unless you need a trully fast laptop for some use (think the best of them all, a rMBP 15) the iPad is the best computer on the market today.
Something as simple as loading a web page isn't as good or as fast as a 2007 MBP non-SSD. Also, so many web sites either don't know how to handle tablets, or they take away simple buttons such as "edit", "report spam", etc. It's not the fault of tablets directly, but it's part of why I don't just go 100% iPad, or even take it everywhere.
iPad doesn't remember passwords for as wide as a variety of web sites as a laptop's web browser. Opening up pages new tabs so they're loaded and ready is a little slower.
It is a terrible deal, flash gets cheaper every month.
Does it? Seems to me it fluctuates up and down due to the high demand. Plus, we are now finally seeing a node change that will make it denser and reduce the cost, which we haven't had for some time now.
It does depend on use-case, but a 128GB SD card is about $100 +/-30 at Fry's, and Apple is charging $300 for 112 GB. I understand they can demand the "extra" $100 for double the storage, but for people that actually want access to lots of storage on a tablet other options might start to look attractive. Personally though, I would much rather have my VPN and web server to access full range of files.
They have to step the product in some way. If they made it a $10 difference from the lowest starting price then a lot more people would buy the high-end model and they'd not only reduce their profit they wouldn't be able to keep up with that demand. If they price it $10 different from the high-end model to maintain their margins then people would buy the high-end model but they'd lose a lot of sales as the starting price is way too high. If you anticipate the need for higher capacity and can afford the expense you go for the more expensive model.
This announcement seems weird. Kind of out of cycle, in the dead of the night sometime before 5:30AM Cupertino time. Anybody got any insight as to why?
Likely in an effort to differentiate the iPad from the (currently more popular) iPad Mini by more than just screen size/spec bump...
This is what most people don't grasp, Apple is charging you $400 for what amounts to a poor performing 128GB SSD. Sadly I see Apple falling back on their old ways of fleecing people and not keeping the value equation in sync with the rest of the market. It would be one thing if the price of flash was going up but it isn't. Rather flash is getting cheaper.
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Originally Posted by aaarrrgggh
Too expensive! Wow. I have a 64GB iPad which is getting pretty full, but an extra $430 from the "base" price is just too much. Not quite sure why the base model is still 16GB (especially for the iPad), and I think it is good to up the maximum storage... just think the price needs to be a little more grounded for people to be able to justify upgrading later on.
so release the same old product, with absolutely no additions or new "innovation" except increase the GB that hardly anyone really needs... and this is considered impactful, how?
Maybe a recent introduction of the chips needed to make this size available? Or a new production line of said chips to supply Apple's demand?
As previously noted the 20/25nm NAND are now available this quarter in volume. I speculated yesterday that it feels like it could very well happen this year. However, even though new to market they are likely very close (and possibly less expensive) than 64GB NAND built on the larger process.
I just checked the iPad (4) teardown to see if had 2 spaces for NAND. I seem to recall that being the case at once point. I see only space for this logic board design.
I just noticed it's not available until next week. Usually these would be silent and they'd be available immediately. So why this official notification and lead time. Well the Surface Pro goes on sale February 9th and has prices that are $70 higher than the same capacity iPad with Cellular. I wouldn't call it a smoking gun but it's definitely my prime suspect for this update.
Surface Pro with Windows 8 Pro, 64 GB (no keyboard cover): $899
Surface Pro with Windows 8 Pro, 128 GB (no keyboard cover): $999
I think only going past that day with no release eliminates it I would say that the probability is much diminished when there is an update to the line that arrives just a few months before. I never think April made sense, though.
That's a good point. But apparently like with Surface RT devices, storage capacity with Surface Pros may not be what it seems;
"We are now hearing reports that the upcoming Surface Pro takes an even bigger hit due to Windows 8 Pro and pre-installed apps from Microsoft. According to Hexus andSoftpedia, the 128GB Surface Pro will only have 83GB of space available to the user. So the user is losing 45GB of storage space due to formatting/OS/pre-installed apps."
If true, that sux! And that's taking into consideration the Surface Pro doesn't come pre-installed with Office like the RT version.
There's no faster computer (for basic things) than an iPad 4. There isn't a more capable computer for most people. If you want web browsing, mail, facebook, view pdf and presentations, study, play... there isn't a better computer on the market, no matter the price.
Look at that all day battery life, amazing screen and portability. It's just the best computer on the market for ALLMOST everyone. The other one is the rMBP.
no need to be snippy. Yes, everyone has different needs. My point was, if you're on the fence between the MBA or an iPad (depending on your needs of course) The price difference does blur the lines. It's your opinion of course and all i'm saying is there is no ALMOST, which is my opinion. No BS about it.
This is what most people don't grasp, Apple is charging you $400 for what amounts to a poor performing 128GB SSD. Sadly I see Apple falling back on their old ways of fleecing people and not keeping the value equation in sync with the rest of the market. It would be one thing if the price of flash was going up but it isn't. Rather flash is getting cheaper.
You can't take the starting price as some perfect value and then step a single component to then argue they are ripping you off. The product has a range with a calculated ARP and profit margin designed into it. Your argument is just as fallacious as saying the 128GB is priced well and the other ones are drastically under priced as you get to the lower-capacity models.
This is what most people don't grasp, Apple is charging you $400 for what amounts to a poor performing 128GB SSD. Sadly I see Apple falling back on their old ways of fleecing people and not keeping the value equation in sync with the rest of the market. It would be one thing if the price of flash was going up but it isn't. Rather flash is getting cheaper.
"In sync with the rest of the market"? Please point me to the other 128GB tablets so we can see if its in "sync". They don't exist. Nice troll though.
I was expecting this to appear on the iPad 5 not the current one. I'm also rather disappointed that this is in addition to the 16-32-64 GB versions for more money, rather than say 32-64-128 GB's for the same cost as current 16-32-64 GB equivalent versions (Flash prices are so low now!). This seems a ploy to increase sales of the full-size iPad to counter cannibalization by the Mini. I like the idea of a 128 GB iPad - but not for even more dosh! I imagine iPad 5 will drop the 16 GB version when it comes out. I'm going to wait...
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That's the marketing built into the pricing structure. I have a 64GB iPad and I use like 4GB. I've done this every time because "it's just $100 and what if i need that space" I tell myself. They've got me where they want me.
I do wonder the cost and hope iFixit does a teardown, although I doubt they will. If we do get to see inside I'd like to know if the are using 20/25nm chips now which could mean that we'll see a boost across the line for the same price points this year.
Also, if we're getting this now and not later this year does that mean there won't be a new, lighter and thinner iPad coming out until after the 2nd half of the year? Does the Surface Pro play any role in this 128GB release?
Sooooo... are they still going to release an iPad "5" in April or so, or does this news eliminate that possibility and the iPad "5" will in October-ish? Now, I'm confused if I should wait for April or just buy now cuz the "5" isn't for 8-9 months! Any thoughts or insight from anyone? Thanks.
Secondly, I hope the iPad "5" they do some innovation on the OS this year, spruce up multi-tasking, add some new features -- not just make it thinner with changed corners and new back.
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Originally Posted by pedromartins
Unless you need a trully fast laptop for some use (think the best of them all, a rMBP 15) the iPad is the best computer on the market today.
I have the rMBP, an iPad 3 and an iPad mini and I couldn't disagree more with your opinion. (bolded part, my emphasis)
The comparison between a computer and an iPad has nothing to do with speed, simply capabilities. I don't believe the iPad is really a computer at all. If the iPad is a computer then so is an iPhone, which seems absurd to me.
If the iPad is to be considered a computer, it is probably the worst computer on the market. It certainly cannot replace a real computer for my needs.
Originally Posted by mesomorphicman
Sooooo... are they still going to release an iPad "5" in April or so, or does this news eliminate that possibility and the iPad "5" will in October-ish?
They added a 16GB iPhone in January 2008 and still released the iPhone 3G in June.
I don't necessarily buy the "6-month cycle" idea myself, but there you have it.
Need now, buy now. Don't, wait.
It is a terrible deal, flash gets cheaper every month.
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Originally Posted by AdonisSMU
I think the cost is reasonable. It's double the storage for only 100 bucks more. I'd say that's pretty good deal.
I think only going past that day with no release eliminates it I would say that the probability is much diminished when there is an update to the line that arrives just a few months before. I never think April made sense, though.
What Absolute Ridiculousness Are You On About?
The iPad Does Not Have 'Cell Phone' (as in the ability to make place regualr phone calls) Capabilities - Never Has.
They do occasional mid-cycle updates with computers, the first 8 core Mac Pro was one. They did it at least once with iPods. Maybe a recent introduction of the chips needed to make this size available? Or a new production line of said chips to supply Apple's demand?
Something as simple as loading a web page isn't as good or as fast as a 2007 MBP non-SSD. Also, so many web sites either don't know how to handle tablets, or they take away simple buttons such as "edit", "report spam", etc. It's not the fault of tablets directly, but it's part of why I don't just go 100% iPad, or even take it everywhere.
iPad doesn't remember passwords for as wide as a variety of web sites as a laptop's web browser. Opening up pages new tabs so they're loaded and ready is a little slower.
Does it? Seems to me it fluctuates up and down due to the high demand. Plus, we are now finally seeing a node change that will make it denser and reduce the cost, which we haven't had for some time now.
They have to step the product in some way. If they made it a $10 difference from the lowest starting price then a lot more people would buy the high-end model and they'd not only reduce their profit they wouldn't be able to keep up with that demand. If they price it $10 different from the high-end model to maintain their margins then people would buy the high-end model but they'd lose a lot of sales as the starting price is way too high. If you anticipate the need for higher capacity and can afford the expense you go for the more expensive model.
Likely in an effort to differentiate the iPad from the (currently more popular) iPad Mini by more than just screen size/spec bump...
This is what most people don't grasp, Apple is charging you $400 for what amounts to a poor performing 128GB SSD. Sadly I see Apple falling back on their old ways of fleecing people and not keeping the value equation in sync with the rest of the market. It would be one thing if the price of flash was going up but it isn't. Rather flash is getting cheaper.
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Originally Posted by aaarrrgggh
Too expensive! Wow. I have a 64GB iPad which is getting pretty full, but an extra $430 from the "base" price is just too much. Not quite sure why the base model is still 16GB (especially for the iPad), and I think it is good to up the maximum storage... just think the price needs to be a little more grounded for people to be able to justify upgrading later on.
are you serious?
so release the same old product, with absolutely no additions or new "innovation" except increase the GB that hardly anyone really needs... and this is considered impactful, how?
As previously noted the 20/25nm NAND are now available this quarter in volume. I speculated yesterday that it feels like it could very well happen this year. However, even though new to market they are likely very close (and possibly less expensive) than 64GB NAND built on the larger process.
I just checked the iPad (4) teardown to see if had 2 spaces for NAND. I seem to recall that being the case at once point. I see only space for this logic board design.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
I just noticed it's not available until next week. Usually these would be silent and they'd be available immediately. So why this official notification and lead time. Well the Surface Pro goes on sale February 9th and has prices that are $70 higher than the same capacity iPad with Cellular. I wouldn't call it a smoking gun but it's definitely my prime suspect for this update.
I think only going past that day with no release eliminates it I would say that the probability is much diminished when there is an update to the line that arrives just a few months before. I never think April made sense, though.Surface Pro with Windows 8 Pro, 64 GB (no keyboard cover): $899
Surface Pro with Windows 8 Pro, 128 GB (no keyboard cover): $999
That's a good point. But apparently like with Surface RT devices, storage capacity with Surface Pros may not be what it seems;
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=29778
"We are now hearing reports that the upcoming Surface Pro takes an even bigger hit due to Windows 8 Pro and pre-installed apps from Microsoft. According to Hexus andSoftpedia, the 128GB Surface Pro will only have 83GB of space available to the user. So the user is losing 45GB of storage space due to formatting/OS/pre-installed apps."
If true, that sux! And that's taking into consideration the Surface Pro doesn't come pre-installed with Office like the RT version.
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Originally Posted by pedromartins
Now that is utterly BS.
There's no faster computer (for basic things) than an iPad 4. There isn't a more capable computer for most people. If you want web browsing, mail, facebook, view pdf and presentations, study, play... there isn't a better computer on the market, no matter the price.
Look at that all day battery life, amazing screen and portability. It's just the best computer on the market for ALLMOST everyone. The other one is the rMBP.
no need to be snippy. Yes, everyone has different needs. My point was, if you're on the fence between the MBA or an iPad (depending on your needs of course) The price difference does blur the lines. It's your opinion of course and all i'm saying is there is no ALMOST, which is my opinion. No BS about it.
You can't take the starting price as some perfect value and then step a single component to then argue they are ripping you off. The product has a range with a calculated ARP and profit margin designed into it. Your argument is just as fallacious as saying the 128GB is priced well and the other ones are drastically under priced as you get to the lower-capacity models.
Wow, out of nowhere. Really glad to know its there for those who were asking for it, but personally not something Id ever be interested in.
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Originally Posted by wizard69
This is what most people don't grasp, Apple is charging you $400 for what amounts to a poor performing 128GB SSD. Sadly I see Apple falling back on their old ways of fleecing people and not keeping the value equation in sync with the rest of the market. It would be one thing if the price of flash was going up but it isn't. Rather flash is getting cheaper.
"In sync with the rest of the market"? Please point me to the other 128GB tablets so we can see if its in "sync". They don't exist. Nice troll though.