i'm fully aware of that and have seen the PR statement, I mean on the store page there is nothing show 128gb as an option or 'comming soon' whatever, and your comment is taken out of my context.
I get the "Fat Mac" thing now. Impressive reference.
Let's examine what you've written and implied here. You're bored with iOS and the HW. Does that mean Apple should change what clearly works because you want using your device to be some sort of exciting adventure? Personally, I want Apple to build off the foundations they have not start from scratch. I want my phone to work as expected.
You said that it's because Jobs is gone but that's only been a year so you're implication was that iOS and the iPhone was an exciting escapade up until iOS 6 and the iPhone 5. You feel it's only happened because Steve is gone despite it being the most radical change the iPhone has ever seen then I think you need to reconsider your position on this because you're not looking at it objectively.
And also, I'd say that most people would rather have a boring system that just works than a revolutionary system that needs efforts to adjust to...
Gee, has anyone at AI cared to read this "article"? If the "author" can't, at least someone who edits stuff? Like, you know, an "editor" that speaks and reads the language? This piece is a veritable typo and grammar slip treasure trove. The worst in years, probably.
Not to mention the structure. There is repetition of information strewn all through it. 3 examples of a given point. say it once.
My personal computing paradigm recently shifted from laptops back to desktops, which provide at least twice more horsepower for content creation at half of what laptops cost. When I need a computing device on the go, I use my iPads. At the office and at home, I use my desktops (iMacs and Mac Minis). I sync most of the content via the cloud (iCloud and Dropbox depending on the type of content). I wouldn't be surprised if others are considering the shift from laptops to a dual-computing paradigm consisting of desktops and tablets.
Yeah, my next computer will definitely be a desktop, my first in 13 years. Like you, I find myself using my iPad for a lot of things my laptop used to do, and when I need something more powerful and serious (mostly for video editing) the laptop (a top-of-the-line 2009 MBP) struggles, heats up to a point where you would burn yourself if you tried to keep your hand on it, and sounds like an airplane taking off. I figure I can get a more powerful desktop, and if I really need the portability I will make do with the iPad and/or the laptop. I wouldn't be surprised if there were enough of us in this position that Apple starts to see a trend of desktop sales replacing a portion of laptop sales.
For the first time in my life as an admitted Apple fanboy since all the way back to the Apple II I am starting to become bored and disappointed with Apple's idea of "innovation". I don't think hardware updates will excite me any longer. I get the feeling that OS XI (or whatever it will be called) and a radical new iOS interface will be what really wows me again...
Does this post fit your troll-thread requirements, TS?
I just feel they're milking their existing OS and hardware platform. Seems like Apple doesn't have any new ideas besides making the same thing in different sizes/capacities. I hope I'm wrong and they come out with something new and exciting soon.
What Ireland says is correct. Apple has worked overtime in innovation and will continue to do so. "Milking their existing platform" is the payoff for their innovation. Besides, in my opinion they need to do some back filling. iOS and OS X have developed a few nagging problems over the last 2 years that need to be addressed before moving on. SW has to be solidified and "bomb-proofed" during these inter-innovation pauses.
I just feel they're milking their existing OS and hardware platform. Seems like Apple doesn't have any new ideas besides making the same thing in different sizes/capacities. I hope I'm wrong and they come out with something new and exciting soon.
mind giving us your idea of what Apple should do next? Seriously, iOS is in a saturated market. There's very little innovation left save for Software. And AI and other have posted on several occasions that Apple's 2013 looks like the year of Software improvements. Plus we've heard the tech blogs and analysts basically claiming the home entertainment hardware industry isn't a big enough cash cow for Apple to do anything meaningful. So what's next?
I'd love to see Apple create a home server that's so simple to use, and you can access it as a remote desktop on any Apple device you own. No more computers. Apps are associated with the appropriate device only, and the UI is tied to all those devices. Almost like a mac mini crossed with the Apple TV and Time Capsule all in one simple UI..accessed from any device. That's what I'd like to see but it probably won't happen.
For the first time in my life as an admitted Apple fanboy since all the way back to the Apple II I am starting to become bored and disappointed with Apple's idea of "innovation". I don't think hardware updates will excite me any longer. I get the feeling that OS XI (or whatever it will be called) and a radical new iOS interface will be what really wows me again...
Personally I don't expect to be wowed two or three times a year. I do expect incremental improvements on existing foundations. Actual WOWs only happen a few times a decade. Apple has had more than their share with the original iPhone, the iPad, the Air and possibly with itunes but that last one took a long time to sink in.
As for the article, I've seldom read such a piece of crap.
Why did Intel call their new laptop spec the Ultrabook instead of something like the Ultrathin? Just the name Ultrabook makes you think of some guy in an alleyway opening his raincoat to show you the Ultrabooks next to the Molex watches and the Biffany diamonds. Intel had Apple on the brain so much they didn't realize how stupid the name is.
Other manufacturers are trying to compete with Apple with their spec sheets. A can opener with a clock has more features than a can opener without one, but no one cares. People don't count the features and buy the product with the largest number of them.
The Surface will fail because it has already failed. It's a netbook disguised as a tablet.
mind giving us your idea of what Apple should do next? Seriously, iOS is in a saturated market. There's very little innovation left save for Software. And AI and other have posted on several occasions that Apple's 2013 looks like the year of Software improvements. Plus we've heard the tech blogs and analysts basically claiming the home entertainment hardware industry isn't a big enough cash cow for Apple to do anything meaningful. So what's next?
I'd love to see Apple create a home server that's so simple to use, and you can access it as a remote desktop on any Apple device you own. No more computers. Apps are associated with the appropriate device only, and the UI is tied to all those devices. Almost like a mac mini crossed with the Apple TV and Time Capsule all in one simple UI..accessed from any device. That's what I'd like to see but it probably won't happen.
How will I know what I want until someone shows me...didn't Steve say something like this?
Fun to read the comments.... "Fanboy, reading a lot into storage, drank the koolaid" all very funny.
But his history is dead on, and the logic is sound. If, and is it just if, but if Apple can get some companies and individuals to look at that storage size as not just useful but maybe a future proofing, this becomes self fulfilling. Developers start to think that maybe that huge business class app had a market after all, or that yes, video editing is viable now that you have room to store all the video. A few new must have apps show up, others jump on the band wagon. Next time I buy an iPad I wonder, is this size enough? Sure it is now, but look at some of these new apps... Maybe I up size a step. People upsizing encourages the devs, who make even more impressive apps.
In a year, if this happens, and Apple is selling mostly 64 and 128 pads, how many of those commenting will apologize for their comments?
As I get older I am less excited by new-ness. I appreciate good design and innovation but I have come to appreciate David Filo's disdain for upgrading:
-From a rather OLD article -
"Filo's office is truly a Salvation Army collection center of a workspace, with dirty socks and T shirts jumbled in with books, software and other debris. Even more startling is his office computer: a poky clone running an outdated Pentium 120 chip. Why wouldn't the chief technologist of the Internet's No. 1 website use the top of the line? Filo just shrugs. "Upgrading is a pain."
There are skeptics. Stephen Roach, chief global economist at Morgan Stanley Dean Witter, suspects that e-commerce is being oversold, though he admits it's growing rapidly. "I question if it'll ever be big."
Roach is a very famous and highly regarded figure on Wall Street--I wonder how many people remember that he said this.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
Goes on sale February 5th.
i'm fully aware of that and have seen the PR statement, I mean on the store page there is nothing show 128gb as an option or 'comming soon' whatever, and your comment is taken out of my context.
I get the "Fat Mac" thing now. Impressive reference.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
Let's examine what you've written and implied here. You're bored with iOS and the HW. Does that mean Apple should change what clearly works because you want using your device to be some sort of exciting adventure? Personally, I want Apple to build off the foundations they have not start from scratch. I want my phone to work as expected.
You said that it's because Jobs is gone but that's only been a year so you're implication was that iOS and the iPhone was an exciting escapade up until iOS 6 and the iPhone 5. You feel it's only happened because Steve is gone despite it being the most radical change the iPhone has ever seen then I think you need to reconsider your position on this because you're not looking at it objectively.
And also, I'd say that most people would rather have a boring system that just works than a revolutionary system that needs efforts to adjust to...
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Originally Posted by Jozsoo
Gee, has anyone at AI cared to read this "article"? If the "author" can't, at least someone who edits stuff? Like, you know, an "editor" that speaks and reads the language? This piece is a veritable typo and grammar slip treasure trove. The worst in years, probably.
Not to mention the structure. There is repetition of information strewn all through it. 3 examples of a given point. say it once.
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Originally Posted by lightknight
And also, I'd say that most people would rather have a boring system that just works than a revolutionary system that needs efforts to adjust to...
This is also a great point.
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Originally Posted by sirozha
My personal computing paradigm recently shifted from laptops back to desktops, which provide at least twice more horsepower for content creation at half of what laptops cost. When I need a computing device on the go, I use my iPads. At the office and at home, I use my desktops (iMacs and Mac Minis). I sync most of the content via the cloud (iCloud and Dropbox depending on the type of content). I wouldn't be surprised if others are considering the shift from laptops to a dual-computing paradigm consisting of desktops and tablets.
Yeah, my next computer will definitely be a desktop, my first in 13 years. Like you, I find myself using my iPad for a lot of things my laptop used to do, and when I need something more powerful and serious (mostly for video editing) the laptop (a top-of-the-line 2009 MBP) struggles, heats up to a point where you would burn yourself if you tried to keep your hand on it, and sounds like an airplane taking off. I figure I can get a more powerful desktop, and if I really need the portability I will make do with the iPad and/or the laptop. I wouldn't be surprised if there were enough of us in this position that Apple starts to see a trend of desktop sales replacing a portion of laptop sales.
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Originally Posted by Rothgarr
For the first time in my life as an admitted Apple fanboy since all the way back to the Apple II I am starting to become bored and disappointed with Apple's idea of "innovation". I don't think hardware updates will excite me any longer. I get the feeling that OS XI (or whatever it will be called) and a radical new iOS interface will be what really wows me again...
Does this post fit your troll-thread requirements, TS?
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Originally Posted by Lunchy
I just feel they're milking their existing OS and hardware platform. Seems like Apple doesn't have any new ideas besides making the same thing in different sizes/capacities. I hope I'm wrong and they come out with something new and exciting soon.
What Ireland says is correct. Apple has worked overtime in innovation and will continue to do so. "Milking their existing platform" is the payoff for their innovation. Besides, in my opinion they need to do some back filling. iOS and OS X have developed a few nagging problems over the last 2 years that need to be addressed before moving on. SW has to be solidified and "bomb-proofed" during these inter-innovation pauses.
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Originally Posted by Lunchy
(In response to Solipsis)
And yes, it seemed that while Jobs was around there was always something exciting around the corner.
While you make a well reasoned argument, I'm now questioning your objectivity.
Seemed. Yes, it probably seemed that way when Steve was around. Maybe it was the RDF. Not sure. Sadly, though, it really wasn't the truth.
iMac 1997
iPod 2003
iPhone 2007
iPad 2010
Do you see the pattern? Several years between products.
Maybe in 3 years if nothing new has come out then you might have a strong argument. Until then, don't lose your objectivity.
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Originally Posted by Ireland
Fat?
My thoughts exactly!
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Originally Posted by antkm1
Not to mention the structure. There is repetition of information strewn all through it. 3 examples of a given point. say it once.
Strunk and White have written a book about this...
However, the FT hates S&W according to : http://m.weeklystandard.com/articles/war-strunk-and-white_554816.html
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Originally Posted by Lunchy
I just feel they're milking their existing OS and hardware platform. Seems like Apple doesn't have any new ideas besides making the same thing in different sizes/capacities. I hope I'm wrong and they come out with something new and exciting soon.
mind giving us your idea of what Apple should do next? Seriously, iOS is in a saturated market. There's very little innovation left save for Software. And AI and other have posted on several occasions that Apple's 2013 looks like the year of Software improvements. Plus we've heard the tech blogs and analysts basically claiming the home entertainment hardware industry isn't a big enough cash cow for Apple to do anything meaningful. So what's next?
I'd love to see Apple create a home server that's so simple to use, and you can access it as a remote desktop on any Apple device you own. No more computers. Apps are associated with the appropriate device only, and the UI is tied to all those devices. Almost like a mac mini crossed with the Apple TV and Time Capsule all in one simple UI..accessed from any device. That's what I'd like to see but it probably won't happen.
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Originally Posted by Rothgarr
For the first time in my life as an admitted Apple fanboy since all the way back to the Apple II I am starting to become bored and disappointed with Apple's idea of "innovation". I don't think hardware updates will excite me any longer. I get the feeling that OS XI (or whatever it will be called) and a radical new iOS interface will be what really wows me again...
Personally I don't expect to be wowed two or three times a year. I do expect incremental improvements on existing foundations. Actual WOWs only happen a few times a decade. Apple has had more than their share with the original iPhone, the iPad, the Air and possibly with itunes but that last one took a long time to sink in.
As for the article, I've seldom read such a piece of crap.
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Originally Posted by Lunchy
.... I joined in 2008 and pretty much never comment on this site.....
I think that mode suited you well. Stick with it.
Other manufacturers are trying to compete with Apple with their spec sheets. A can opener with a clock has more features than a can opener without one, but no one cares. People don't count the features and buy the product with the largest number of them.
The Surface will fail because it has already failed. It's a netbook disguised as a tablet.
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Originally Posted by antkm1
mind giving us your idea of what Apple should do next? Seriously, iOS is in a saturated market. There's very little innovation left save for Software. And AI and other have posted on several occasions that Apple's 2013 looks like the year of Software improvements. Plus we've heard the tech blogs and analysts basically claiming the home entertainment hardware industry isn't a big enough cash cow for Apple to do anything meaningful. So what's next?
I'd love to see Apple create a home server that's so simple to use, and you can access it as a remote desktop on any Apple device you own. No more computers. Apps are associated with the appropriate device only, and the UI is tied to all those devices. Almost like a mac mini crossed with the Apple TV and Time Capsule all in one simple UI..accessed from any device. That's what I'd like to see but it probably won't happen.
How will I know what I want until someone shows me...didn't Steve say something like this?
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Originally Posted by sirozha
One compelling reason to buy 128 GB iPad 4 is less of a fear that one may outgrow a 64 GB model.
Yep, now there's going to be the fear of out growing the 128gb model. There are people who will say it's still not enough.
But his history is dead on, and the logic is sound. If, and is it just if, but if Apple can get some companies and individuals to look at that storage size as not just useful but maybe a future proofing, this becomes self fulfilling. Developers start to think that maybe that huge business class app had a market after all, or that yes, video editing is viable now that you have room to store all the video. A few new must have apps show up, others jump on the band wagon. Next time I buy an iPad I wonder, is this size enough? Sure it is now, but look at some of these new apps... Maybe I up size a step. People upsizing encourages the devs, who make even more impressive apps.
In a year, if this happens, and Apple is selling mostly 64 and 128 pads, how many of those commenting will apologize for their comments?
Yeah.
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Originally Posted by island hermit
Seemed. Yes, it probably seemed that way when Steve was around. Maybe it was the RDF. Not sure. Sadly, though, it really wasn't the truth.
iMac 1997
iPod 2003
iPhone 2007
iPad 2010
Do you see the pattern? Several years between products.
Maybe in 3 years if nothing new has come out then you might have a strong argument. Until then, don't lose your objectivity.
Apple doesn't have a crystal ball, it has a crack team of designers/engineers/innovators.
That team can hardly be asked to be changing the world several times a year, while still making a (huge) profit ^^
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Originally Posted by paxman
As I get older I am less excited by new-ness. I appreciate good design and innovation but I have come to appreciate David Filo's disdain for upgrading:
-From a rather OLD article
"Filo's office is truly a Salvation Army collection center of a workspace, with dirty socks and T shirts jumbled in with books, software and other debris. Even more startling is his office computer: a poky clone running an outdated Pentium 120 chip. Why wouldn't the chief technologist of the Internet's No. 1 website use the top of the line? Filo just shrugs. "Upgrading is a pain."
(http://www.cnn.com/ASIANOW/time/asia/multimedia/shopping.html)
Great link. This was hilarious:
There are skeptics. Stephen Roach, chief global economist at Morgan Stanley Dean Witter, suspects that e-commerce is being oversold, though he admits it's growing rapidly. "I question if it'll ever be big."
Roach is a very famous and highly regarded figure on Wall Street--I wonder how many people remember that he said this.
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Originally Posted by antkm1
There's very little innovation left save for Software.
Really? What's the BIG innovation in software?