Geeks and nerds, a market segment Apple has always sensibly steered clear from. But then, you don't understand Apple, so you telling you this is a waste of time.
Apple doesn't steer from geeks and nerds, it prevents them from tinkering too much, and doesn't cater to them. It's quite different, since much of Apple's customers from a historical perspective have been:
- geeks (music, movie, coding geeks, etc)
- related to a technological-type geek capable of advising them
- related to another sort of geek obviously enjoying their hardware with no trouble
Why would people buy an iMac if no one told them about the awesomeness?
Also, I've found over the years that saying "I'm a programmer" only works with the ladies if you add "I do Mac/iPhone software". and then again, you still need to have some sort of cultural justification (I do games, I do musea software, I create the (tools for the) animations in [insert movie with cute characters]). It gives another reason for geeks to buy Apple: Apple removes the cultural stain of being a nerd
How do you back up your valuable files on the external SD cards on an Android based tablets? With 128 GB of data on it.
Guess you have never used an Android device. It is very easy and there are many ways to do it. I used to turn on the debugging menu from settings and then use ADB backup. Very similar to Super Duper! on the Mac in fact.
I will say that the way apple does it with iTunes is still easier, but it is not hard to back up a 128GB Android device either.
Guess you have never used an Android device. It is very easy and there are many ways to do it. I used to turn on the debugging menu from settings and then use ADB backup. Very similar to Super Duper! on the Mac in fact.
I will say that the way apple does it with iTunes is still easier, but it is not hard to back up a 128GB Android device either.
I know you always need an app to do it. My question is how do you physically do it?
I know you always need an app to do it. My question is how do you physically do it?
With a USB cable to your computer not unlike an iPhone. Just choose a directory to save and your'e done.
Of course there are plenty of cloud options as well, I got 3 free 50GB Box accounts while they were offering them which offers plenty of storage for all the stuff besides photos, movies, and music.
I am surprised by the obvious dislike of the article author and the dismissal of the content (and its length), by so many here. I don't see whats so wrong. Its a good article and it is refreshing to have someone supporting Apple's strategy after reading so many know-it-alls telling us what Apple should do to avoid doom.
re the 128gb - It seems like a shrewd move. Many people will want the extra storage. It makes the iPad more of a laptop replacement and allows for more photos, videos, and music - the great storage joggers. Another point is that by upping the max storage to 128 gb, the 64 gb is now at the higher end of the middle ground. Many people will hold off from buying the highest end because it seems excessive. I wonder if the sales of the 64 gb iPad will increase as a result.
Thank you for saying what I was thinking Paxman. I completely agree. In fact, I'll go as a far as to say that this was one of the best articulated arguments for why Apple is still on the right track for the most part. It seems that the press/popular sentiment has turned against Apple for reasons that I suspect began with a concerted PR and marketing effort by Apple's competitors that gained traction among everyday potential customers and ultimately has infested this community as well (the new PR methods insure that some percentage of members of this community are paid to trash Apple) . Most users and readers on this site are biased towards Apple, but that doesn't make us incapable of having a constructive discussion about strategy rather than name calling and trolling. Kudos DED for a well thought out and well written article.
Thank you for saying what I was thinking Paxman. I completely agree. In fact, I'll go as a far as to say that this was one of the best articulated arguments for why Apple is still on the right track for the most part. It seems that the press/popular sentiment has turned against Apple for reasons that I suspect began with a concerted PR and marketing effort by Apple's competitors that gained traction among everyday potential customers and ultimately has infested this community as well (the new PR methods insure that some percentage of members of this community are paid to trash Apple) . Most users and readers on this site are biased towards Apple, but that doesn't make us incapable of having a constructive discussion about strategy rather than name calling and trolling. Kudos DED for a well thought out and well written article.
I totally disagree. DED's piece is a completely slanted and irritating to read rant, when what I really want to get is analyses, information and news. It's a simple matter, really: if he would make a small effort to not sound like a raving fanatic, I'd find his pieces much more enjoyable. Right now, I read all the posts, but only part of his article. I can't even tell if it's a correct article, or not (he tends to have correct views, but honeycomb them as soon as Apple's involved... and aciddip then when it's some other company).
I guess I'm reading Ai more to learn from the forum dwellers (or to laugh at their witticisms, on both sides) than for DED's prose. Obviously, if you disagree, good for you: he writes a lot
I totally disagree. DED's piece is a completely slanted and irritating to read rant, when what I really want to get is analyses, information and news. It's a simple matter, really: if he would make a small effort to not sound like a raving fanatic, I'd find his pieces much more enjoyable. Right now, I read all the posts, but only part of his article. I can't even tell if it's a correct article, or not (he tends to have correct views, but honeycomb them as soon as Apple's involved... and aciddip then when it's some other company).
I guess I'm reading Ai more to learn from the forum dwellers (or to laugh at their witticisms, on both sides) than for DED's prose. Obviously, if you disagree, good for you: he writes a lot
So you "can't tell if the articles are correct" by looking at the author's track record or by fact checking them or consulting their supporting attributions, and are troubled by "completely slanted and irritating to read rants" and at the same time, prefer reading anonymous troll comments making witticisms.
Thanks for clearing that up. Maybe you should invest in Amazon and RIM and short Apple and see how that works out for you.
Guess you have never used an Android device. It is very easy and there are many ways to do it. I used to turn on the debugging menu from settings and then use ADB backup. Very similar to Super Duper! on the Mac in fact.
I will say that the way apple does it with iTunes is still easier, but it is not hard to back up a 128GB Android device either.
I don't fundamentally disagree here, but I want to point out that going the extra mile in simplification makes all the difference.
In sure if you're sufficiently skilled, rooting an Android device with hacked firmware is not "hard to do". But it's still not the same thing as what Apple does with automatic syncing with iTunes or iCloud.
My dad owned an Android phone 3 years ago, and he never backed it up. But he also never loaded any new apps, never rooted it, and he didn't even know the OS running on it was called "Android". Let alone what version it ran (1.6) because Samsung helpfully hid that behind TouchWiz. My dad's pretty tech savvy when it comes to PCs, but he expected his phone to be an appliance, not a science project. However easy YOU may think it is to back up an Android phone doesn't compare to the simplicity of iTunes syncing. You just plug it in to your PC or Mac.
And BTW, I know that Apple learned this from 3COM/Palm. They perfected "one touch" syncing of PalmPilots to computers. Something that Apple egregiously failed to provide for the Newton. So Newton was always this disconnected island of information. For the life of the product, Apple never addressed this. It wasn't until the iPod that Apple finally showed that it learned that lesson. iPhone and iPads continue it. And now that my dad has an iPhone 4S, he's backing up, buying apps, and even upgrading his OS like a champ--without my help. Apple made this functionality extremely accessible to everyone.
So you "can't tell if the articles are correct" by looking at the author's track record or by fact checking them or consulting their supporting attributions, and are troubled by "completely slanted and irritating to read rants" and at the same time, prefer reading anonymous troll comments making witticisms.
Thanks for clearing that up. Maybe you should invest in Amazon and RIM and short Apple and see how that works out for you.
Yep. Exactly what I said. You probably should go back to SamsungInsider, you'd be better there.
Edit: I wasn't aware you're DED himself. Thanks for taking the pain to flame me, I appreciate it
And now that my dad has an iPhone 4S, he's backing up, buying apps, and even upgrading his OS like a champ--without my help. Apple made this functionality extremely accessible to everyone.
This.
It anyway fits in the whole point I've been making that Apple's success is less about appearance (even though what they build is gorgeous), or innovation, than it is about simplicity. Time Capsule is a (quite expensive) very nice exemple of that: buy it, click three buttons, forget about it until the day you need it.
Removable storage on a mobile device is considered an unacceptable security problem by many corporate customers.
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Originally Posted by MacRulez
That's definitely true for USB under Windows (the dreaded autorun.inf "feature"), but where has this been noted as a problem with SD cards on mobile devices in any way that transferring the same files over a network isn't?
1.) No ability to remote erase removable storage.
2.) To a lesser degree, control of sensitive data more difficult (intentional data copying by employees.)
I totally disagree. DED's piece is a completely slanted and irritating to read rant, when what I really want to get is analyses, information and news. It's a simple matter, really: if he would make a small effort to not sound like a raving fanatic, I'd find his pieces much more enjoyable. Right now, I read all the posts, but only part of his article. I can't even tell if it's a correct article, or not (he tends to have correct views, but honeycomb them as soon as Apple's involved... and aciddip then when it's some other company).
I guess I'm reading Ai more to learn from the forum dwellers (or to laugh at their witticisms, on both sides) than for DED's prose. Obviously, if you disagree, good for you: he writes a lot
So you "can't tell if the articles are correct" by looking at the author's track record or by fact checking them or consulting their supporting attributions, and are troubled by "completely slanted and irritating to read rants" and at the same time, prefer reading anonymous troll comments making witticisms.
Thanks for clearing that up. Maybe you should invest in Amazon and RIM and short Apple and see how that works out for you.
Many of this author's links are to other articles by the same author -- which, surprisingly, support the assertions in the current article. The linked articles often contain other links to articles by the same author... thus you follow the daisy-chain that forms the impression that the author's opinions are settled science.
When first exposed to DED's writing, it may take a while for an Apple fan, like myself, to figure this out because DED/Prince McLean/Corrections/et al are telling us things we like to believe are true... even if they are not.
To see what I mean, just try following the links in this article... then the links in the kinked articles... realizing that many of the writerr are the same DED or DED using a pseudonym.
It's called either: "Waltz me around, again, Willie" or "Roll me over in the clover, roll me over lay me down and do it again".
Yes, because no one but Apple could get away with charging 300 dollars more for 30 dollars worth of increased memory.
No one but Apple and everyone else charges more for NAND than the wholesale cost difference. But sure, go ahead and troll if you want to make ass out of yourself.
SD Cards in mobile devices are yucky. Apple not adding an SD Card to the iPad is what people unconsciously love about Apple = restraint, focus, simplicity, elegance. If you don't understand this, then IMO you misunderstand Apple.
I'd like to be able to take SD from my camera, plug into iPad and review my photos on decent screen. Having a small slot is more elegant and simple than having to use dongle adapters, IMHO.
Why did Intel call their new laptop spec the Ultrabook instead of something like the Ultrathin? Just the name Ultrabook makes you think of some guy in an alleyway opening his raincoat to show you the Ultrabooks next to the Molex watches and the Biffany diamonds. Intel had Apple on the brain so much they didn't realize how stupid the name is.
Ultrathins, really? Like ultrathin ladies' hygiene pads? Now that would sell... "Feel comfortable with your Ultrathin. Laptop, that is".
Other manufacturers are trying to compete with Apple with their spec sheets. A can opener with a clock has more features than a can opener without one, but no one cares. People don't count the features and buy the product with the largest number of them.
Apple is doing the same. How many people really care about fastest graphics on any phone, for example? Maybe some of them frequently gaming, and not even all of them. For majority, it is irrelevant, or, at best, bragging topic. But selling premium product includes selling bragging rights, there is nothing wrong there from business perspective.
The Surface will fail because it has already failed. It's a netbook disguised as a tablet.
It's a notebook disguised as tablet. Lenovo ThinkPad Tablet 2 is netbook disguised as tablet, with its dual core Clover Trail Atom CPU. I think they will do well for business users - we are receiving stronger interest for such devices from our customers than we ever did for iPads and Androids. Mind you, it is interest only, right now - only time will tell if it will actually transfer into actual purchase. But potential is there - from manageability and compatibility aspects, and both are top priorities for business users.
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Originally Posted by Ireland
Geeks and nerds, a market segment Apple has always sensibly steered clear from. But then, you don't understand Apple, so you telling you this is a waste of time.Apple doesn't steer from geeks and nerds, it prevents them from tinkering too much, and doesn't cater to them. It's quite different, since much of Apple's customers from a historical perspective have been:
- geeks (music, movie, coding geeks, etc)
- related to a technological-type geek capable of advising them
- related to another sort of geek obviously enjoying their hardware with no trouble
Why would people buy an iMac if no one told them about the awesomeness?
Also, I've found over the years that saying "I'm a programmer" only works with the ladies if you add "I do Mac/iPhone software". and then again, you still need to have some sort of cultural justification (I do games, I do musea software, I create the (tools for the) animations in [insert movie with cute characters]). It gives another reason for geeks to buy Apple: Apple removes the cultural stain of being a nerd
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Originally Posted by tzeshan
How do you back up your valuable files on the external SD cards on an Android based tablets? With 128 GB of data on it.
Guess you have never used an Android device. It is very easy and there are many ways to do it. I used to turn on the debugging menu from settings and then use ADB backup. Very similar to Super Duper! on the Mac in fact.
I will say that the way apple does it with iTunes is still easier, but it is not hard to back up a 128GB Android device either.
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Originally Posted by gwmac
Guess you have never used an Android device. It is very easy and there are many ways to do it. I used to turn on the debugging menu from settings and then use ADB backup. Very similar to Super Duper! on the Mac in fact.
I will say that the way apple does it with iTunes is still easier, but it is not hard to back up a 128GB Android device either.
I know you always need an app to do it. My question is how do you physically do it?
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Originally Posted by tzeshan
I know you always need an app to do it. My question is how do you physically do it?
With a USB cable to your computer not unlike an iPhone. Just choose a directory to save and your'e done.
Of course there are plenty of cloud options as well, I got 3 free 50GB Box accounts while they were offering them which offers plenty of storage for all the stuff besides photos, movies, and music.
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Originally Posted by paxman
I am surprised by the obvious dislike of the article author and the dismissal of the content (and its length), by so many here. I don't see whats so wrong. Its a good article and it is refreshing to have someone supporting Apple's strategy after reading so many know-it-alls telling us what Apple should do to avoid doom.
re the 128gb - It seems like a shrewd move. Many people will want the extra storage. It makes the iPad more of a laptop replacement and allows for more photos, videos, and music - the great storage joggers. Another point is that by upping the max storage to 128 gb, the 64 gb is now at the higher end of the middle ground. Many people will hold off from buying the highest end because it seems excessive. I wonder if the sales of the 64 gb iPad will increase as a result.
Thank you for saying what I was thinking Paxman. I completely agree. In fact, I'll go as a far as to say that this was one of the best articulated arguments for why Apple is still on the right track for the most part. It seems that the press/popular sentiment has turned against Apple for reasons that I suspect began with a concerted PR and marketing effort by Apple's competitors that gained traction among everyday potential customers and ultimately has infested this community as well (the new PR methods insure that some percentage of members of this community are paid to trash Apple) . Most users and readers on this site are biased towards Apple, but that doesn't make us incapable of having a constructive discussion about strategy rather than name calling and trolling. Kudos DED for a well thought out and well written article.
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Originally Posted by scalper
Thank you for saying what I was thinking Paxman. I completely agree. In fact, I'll go as a far as to say that this was one of the best articulated arguments for why Apple is still on the right track for the most part. It seems that the press/popular sentiment has turned against Apple for reasons that I suspect began with a concerted PR and marketing effort by Apple's competitors that gained traction among everyday potential customers and ultimately has infested this community as well (the new PR methods insure that some percentage of members of this community are paid to trash Apple) . Most users and readers on this site are biased towards Apple, but that doesn't make us incapable of having a constructive discussion about strategy rather than name calling and trolling. Kudos DED for a well thought out and well written article.
I totally disagree. DED's piece is a completely slanted and irritating to read rant, when what I really want to get is analyses, information and news. It's a simple matter, really: if he would make a small effort to not sound like a raving fanatic, I'd find his pieces much more enjoyable. Right now, I read all the posts, but only part of his article. I can't even tell if it's a correct article, or not (he tends to have correct views, but honeycomb them as soon as Apple's involved... and aciddip then when it's some other company).
I guess I'm reading Ai more to learn from the forum dwellers (or to laugh at their witticisms, on both sides) than for DED's prose. Obviously, if you disagree, good for you: he writes a lot
Yeah. Great. Now that everyone's got their cheap AAPL stock, lets spread positive news and drive it over 1 trillion!
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Yeah. Great. Now that everyone's got their cheap AAPL stock, lets spread positive news and drive it over 1 trillion!
Damned... I waited too long
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Originally Posted by lightknight
I totally disagree. DED's piece is a completely slanted and irritating to read rant, when what I really want to get is analyses, information and news. It's a simple matter, really: if he would make a small effort to not sound like a raving fanatic, I'd find his pieces much more enjoyable. Right now, I read all the posts, but only part of his article. I can't even tell if it's a correct article, or not (he tends to have correct views, but honeycomb them as soon as Apple's involved... and aciddip then when it's some other company).
I guess I'm reading Ai more to learn from the forum dwellers (or to laugh at their witticisms, on both sides) than for DED's prose. Obviously, if you disagree, good for you: he writes a lot
So you "can't tell if the articles are correct" by looking at the author's track record or by fact checking them or consulting their supporting attributions, and are troubled by "completely slanted and irritating to read rants" and at the same time, prefer reading anonymous troll comments making witticisms.
Thanks for clearing that up. Maybe you should invest in Amazon and RIM and short Apple and see how that works out for you.
I don't fundamentally disagree here, but I want to point out that going the extra mile in simplification makes all the difference.
In sure if you're sufficiently skilled, rooting an Android device with hacked firmware is not "hard to do". But it's still not the same thing as what Apple does with automatic syncing with iTunes or iCloud.
My dad owned an Android phone 3 years ago, and he never backed it up. But he also never loaded any new apps, never rooted it, and he didn't even know the OS running on it was called "Android". Let alone what version it ran (1.6) because Samsung helpfully hid that behind TouchWiz. My dad's pretty tech savvy when it comes to PCs, but he expected his phone to be an appliance, not a science project. However easy YOU may think it is to back up an Android phone doesn't compare to the simplicity of iTunes syncing. You just plug it in to your PC or Mac.
And BTW, I know that Apple learned this from 3COM/Palm. They perfected "one touch" syncing of PalmPilots to computers. Something that Apple egregiously failed to provide for the Newton. So Newton was always this disconnected island of information. For the life of the product, Apple never addressed this. It wasn't until the iPod that Apple finally showed that it learned that lesson. iPhone and iPads continue it. And now that my dad has an iPhone 4S, he's backing up, buying apps, and even upgrading his OS like a champ--without my help. Apple made this functionality extremely accessible to everyone.
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Originally Posted by Corrections
So you "can't tell if the articles are correct" by looking at the author's track record or by fact checking them or consulting their supporting attributions, and are troubled by "completely slanted and irritating to read rants" and at the same time, prefer reading anonymous troll comments making witticisms.
Thanks for clearing that up. Maybe you should invest in Amazon and RIM and short Apple and see how that works out for you.
Yep. Exactly what I said. You probably should go back to SamsungInsider, you'd be better there.
Edit: I wasn't aware you're DED himself. Thanks for taking the pain to flame me, I appreciate it
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Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton
And now that my dad has an iPhone 4S, he's backing up, buying apps, and even upgrading his OS like a champ--without my help. Apple made this functionality extremely accessible to everyone.
This.
It anyway fits in the whole point I've been making that Apple's success is less about appearance (even though what they build is gorgeous), or innovation, than it is about simplicity. Time Capsule is a (quite expensive) very nice exemple of that: buy it, click three buttons, forget about it until the day you need it.
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Originally Posted by DESuserIGN
Removable storage on a mobile device is considered an unacceptable security problem by many corporate customers.
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Originally Posted by MacRulez
That's definitely true for USB under Windows (the dreaded autorun.inf "feature"), but where has this been noted as a problem with SD cards on mobile devices in any way that transferring the same files over a network isn't?
1.) No ability to remote erase removable storage.
2.) To a lesser degree, control of sensitive data more difficult (intentional data copying by employees.)
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Originally Posted by Corrections
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Originally Posted by lightknight
I totally disagree. DED's piece is a completely slanted and irritating to read rant, when what I really want to get is analyses, information and news. It's a simple matter, really: if he would make a small effort to not sound like a raving fanatic, I'd find his pieces much more enjoyable. Right now, I read all the posts, but only part of his article. I can't even tell if it's a correct article, or not (he tends to have correct views, but honeycomb them as soon as Apple's involved... and aciddip then when it's some other company).
I guess I'm reading Ai more to learn from the forum dwellers (or to laugh at their witticisms, on both sides) than for DED's prose. Obviously, if you disagree, good for you: he writes a lot
So you "can't tell if the articles are correct" by looking at the author's track record or by fact checking them or consulting their supporting attributions, and are troubled by "completely slanted and irritating to read rants" and at the same time, prefer reading anonymous troll comments making witticisms.
Thanks for clearing that up. Maybe you should invest in Amazon and RIM and short Apple and see how that works out for you.
Many of this author's links are to other articles by the same author -- which, surprisingly, support the assertions in the current article. The linked articles often contain other links to articles by the same author... thus you follow the daisy-chain that forms the impression that the author's opinions are settled science.
When first exposed to DED's writing, it may take a while for an Apple fan, like myself, to figure this out because DED/Prince McLean/Corrections/et al are telling us things we like to believe are true... even if they are not.
To see what I mean, just try following the links in this article... then the links in the kinked articles... realizing that many of the writerr are the same DED or DED using a pseudonym.
It's called either: "Waltz me around, again, Willie" or "Roll me over in the clover, roll me over lay me down and do it again".
Yes, because no one but Apple could get away with charging 300 dollars more for 30 dollars worth of increased memory.
No one but Apple and everyone else charges more for NAND than the wholesale cost difference. But sure, go ahead and troll if you want to make ass out of yourself.
This is so pro-Apple that it's cute.
I'd like to be able to take SD from my camera, plug into iPad and review my photos on decent screen. Having a small slot is more elegant and simple than having to use dongle adapters, IMHO.
Maybe I'm not unconscious enough..?
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Ultrathins, really? Like ultrathin ladies' hygiene pads? Now that would sell... "Feel comfortable with your Ultrathin. Laptop, that is".
Apple is doing the same. How many people really care about fastest graphics on any phone, for example? Maybe some of them frequently gaming, and not even all of them. For majority, it is irrelevant, or, at best, bragging topic. But selling premium product includes selling bragging rights, there is nothing wrong there from business perspective.
It's a notebook disguised as tablet. Lenovo ThinkPad Tablet 2 is netbook disguised as tablet, with its dual core Clover Trail Atom CPU. I think they will do well for business users - we are receiving stronger interest for such devices from our customers than we ever did for iPads and Androids. Mind you, it is interest only, right now - only time will tell if it will actually transfer into actual purchase. But potential is there - from manageability and compatibility aspects, and both are top priorities for business users.