As I said, I'm open to someone finding some negative reviews. I couldn't find any, myself. Have you?
And yes, I mentioned that there were problems. That didn't change the reviews.
Perhaps you're not aware that it<span style="font-size:13px;line-height:1.231;"> was recently revealed that Apple had no Maps app in the iPhone until the last minute. They first met with Google on Halloween, which was only 2-1/2 months before the iPhone was revealed, and both sides worked like crazy to get Maps done in time. Thus the valid phrase, "</span>
<span style="font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(241,241,241);color:rgb(24,24,24);font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;line-height:18.19444465637207px;">Apple bent over backwards to put Google Maps into the iPhone at the last minute for its debut in 2007."</span>
Despite your attempt to spin that as negative, it's not. It's just a fact.
No you are spinning yet again. Bending over backwards as you stated inferred Apple were pleading with google to get their maps onto the iPhone.
So every review google maps had was shown in a positive light? Wow what an amazing product, perfect from version 1.0, this is a first in the whole industry.
English is not first language. Pleeeaaaazzzzzeeeeee !
Why would I wat to ignore you ? I did not say that, perhaps English is not your first language?
To GG, when I wrote blocks, I was referring to plastic blocks that teachers use to explain things to toddlers, it was a quip, so don't take it personal. Yes, I can see how you mentioned that English may not be my first language, going over my post I can see too many typos.
Any way back to the heart of the matter, I don't believe in blocking people.
I am most critical of Apple, I may not post it here, on the other hand I don't recollect you having anything negative to write with regards to the many bad things google does, although I may be wrong.
To GG, when I wrote blocks, I was referring to plastic blocks that teachers use to explain things to toddlers, it was a quip, so don't take it personal. Yes, I can see how you mentioned that English may not be my first language, going over my post I can see too many typos.
Any way back to the heart of the matter, I don't believe in blocking people.
I am most critical of Apple, I may not post it here, on the other hand I don't recollect you having anything negative to write with regards to the many bad things google does, although I may be wrong.
Yes you would be wrong. I've criticized Google (for example their continuance of SEP injunction cases post-Moto) when I feel they deserve it, and been even harsher with Samsung. Something I very seldom do is actually criticize or complain about Apple, Some here misconstrue anything not anti-Google or anti-Android as necessarily anti-Apple.
No you are spinning yet again. Bending over backwards as you stated inferred Apple were pleading with google to get their maps onto the iPhone.
I would say that's your own prejudice inferring such. Or perhaps the phrase is taken differently where you are.
So every review google maps had was shown in a positive light? Wow what an amazing product, perfect from version 1.0, this is a first in the whole industry.
You keep throwing up strawmen.. I never said it was perfect. If you check the thread, I was replying to the notion that:
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Google Maps was widely panned for...the exact same issues facing Apple Maps
When the fact is, it was not widely panned when it came out. Quite the contrary.
Actually, yes, that first five star review was from March 12, 2005. The earliest mention I find is in this Feb 9, 2005 blog, which talked about "how the astonishing Google Maps service is accomplished."
You're welcome to dig up any negative reviews from back then and show them to us. Who knows, perhaps my memory is faulty. But you have to prove it
My only negative memory is that, at first, a lot of addresses seemed offset by two houses. However, the desktop version let you move markers to correct that (within reason). Everyone liked that part, because few road or business maps were accurate back then.
As for the mobile version, which is what we're really talking about, it was very well received. There was nothing else like it.
Sure, but that only speaks badly for Apple today, not Google back then.
True, but, again, you bring up that you are talking about a desktop web app from 2005. And it did fare very favorable to what was available at the time. Not arguing that point. My point was were these reviews from the days/weeks after launch, and you accurately cite one. That answered my question. The bigger issue, yes, for Apple, is that expectations of a default maps application on a late 2012 smartphone are, rightly so, exponentially higher that a desktop/web app was in early 2005.
The only issues I see about Apple Maps today are references, still, to the "widely panned" launch of Apple Maps. Journalists are lazy today. I would love to see just one early reviewer take their critical review of Apple Maps from mid/late September 2012 and redo the exact same test now, and show us the improvements made or highlight what is, five months later, still incorrect. I would also like to know if that journalist, back in September when writing the article, actually took the few seconds to report the inaccuracies. Find me such an article and i would be shocked because I haven't seen one.
You also point out that Google Maps were normally only off a couple of houses. There were issues the, there are still issues. For instance, my neighborhood. First built in 2006. Seven years ago. Shows up on Google Maps and Apple Maps. Of course, to go anywhere from my house, Apple correctly tells me the roads to use, where Google Maps tells me to get to a road that used to be here but was removed in 2005. Yesterday, for S & Gs, when taking my daughter to a friends house, I used my iPhone with Apple Maps, and my wife's with the Google Maps app. Both were nearly identical. Google wanted me to take a left one street earlier than Apple (maybe to avoid a light?) and then a right, where Apple had me stay on the road and take a left at the light. The difference here is that Google would have taken me straight into the neighborhood, but cutting across both lanes of traffic, where Apple had me taking the left at the light and a right into the neighborhood. One could argue that the Apple route was safer. But then everything lined up again, until the very end. Google told me to turn left, Apple a right. What would have happened if I took the left Google told me to? Aside from driving through a fence, I would have gone into a pond. Apple had that right, too.
Big issues? Not to me, but proves that all mapping software has issues, and if it was any company other than Apple, it would not have been nearly as big of an issue, if made to be an issue at all. I guess that is Apple's own fault, they have set expectations of perfection, where other companies are comfortable with good enough.
True, but, again, you bring up that you are talking about a desktop web app from 2005. And it did fare very favorable to what was available at the time. Not arguing that point. My point was were these reviews from the days/weeks after launch, and you accurately cite one. That answered my question.
Excellent ! I would note again, though, that I was originally only comparing mobile app to mobile app; it was others who brought up the 2005 web app.
Google's J2ME based mobile map app for both feature and smartphones first came out in 2006, and was widely praised for the ability to search nearby, to pan the map easily, and for being able to click on search result phone numbers to dial them.
The bigger issue, yes, for Apple, is that expectations of a default maps application on a late 2012 smartphone are, rightly so, exponentially higher that a desktop/web app was in early 2005.
I agree with that, and most of the rest of your post.
Again, I'm only pointing out that it is historically incorrect to claim that Google Maps Mobile had the same kind of poor initial public perception and reviews, as the much later Apple Maps did. It just didn't happen, for all sorts of reasons, many of which you have pointed out. People should pick a different, more valid, example.
Excellent ! I would note again, though, that I was originally only comparing mobile app to mobile app; it was others who brought up the 2005
True. Though the issue I feel, and many others likely do, is that you can only separate the desktop/browser app from the mobile app if you are speaking of issues with the performance. I would be surprised if the back end data is different for those two Google versions. So to that effect, Google mobile maps benefited from the 18+ months and lower expectations of the desktop version.
The reason I bring this up is that, again, separating the two google versions implies the mechanics of the apps are better.
The Apple Maps app is one of the most impressive, IMHO, mapping apps out there. The app itself, AFAIK, has zero issues or complaints. What the choir of complaints deals with it the data. That is something that is not directly tied to the app. The app works and is beautiful. The data behind it is what drives the complaints and is what is improving daily.
Again, the burden is Apple's. they knew the importance of Maps (a likely driver in their decision to abandon Google) and moved ahead. They didn't have the desktop version first to get better at with more forgiveness.
Google is starting to feel the pain of losing the default Maps position on iOS to Apple Maps.
Wait until they lose search and maps on both iOS and Mac OS X.
Time will tell.
Exactly, AppleSauce. I'd like to have 'Start Page' as my default search on both iOS and OS. Start Page uses google but sends your inquiry out so you aren't tracked by Google. Duckduckgo is another pretty good search engine so it should be included. I've sent Tim a note on the matter. Maybe if more do the same he might think about doing it. Now that would set Google to worry.
Although I prefer to use a maps app with maps onboard, to save on cellular usage, I rely on Apple's Maps app to get me out of situations that other maps apps get me into. Several times Apple's Maps app has guided me back on track where other maps apps have either led me astray or when I have lost confidence in another apps navigation ability. Not that Apple's Maps app is perfect, it's just dependable when other apps are not. It's also helpful for a realistic arrival time, when other apps just get the timing consistently wrong ( Navigon, Magellan and CoPilot, among others )
Google technology ambassador Michael T. Jones speaks with "One Plus One.
""I certainly trust Apple, and I trust Google, and I trust Microsoft, for that matter.
He obviously doesn't use his Google Maps.
The number of serious Google Maps errors I experienced last year was unbelievable. I was a big user of Google Maps, but when it took me to the wrong side of the I5 last Aug to get to my hotel south of Everett, WA, I'd had enough!
I had to go into another hotel to get directions and a sign beside their front desk said it all:
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No you are spinning yet again. Bending over backwards as you stated inferred Apple were pleading with google to get their maps onto the iPhone.
So every review google maps had was shown in a positive light? Wow what an amazing product, perfect from version 1.0, this is a first in the whole industry.
To GG, when I wrote blocks, I was referring to plastic blocks that teachers use to explain things to toddlers, it was a quip, so don't take it personal. Yes, I can see how you mentioned that English may not be my first language, going over my post I can see too many typos.
Any way back to the heart of the matter, I don't believe in blocking people.
I am most critical of Apple, I may not post it here, on the other hand I don't recollect you having anything negative to write with regards to the many bad things google does, although I may be wrong.
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Originally Posted by hfts
To GG, when I wrote blocks, I was referring to plastic blocks that teachers use to explain things to toddlers, it was a quip, so don't take it personal. Yes, I can see how you mentioned that English may not be my first language, going over my post I can see too many typos.
Any way back to the heart of the matter, I don't believe in blocking people.
I am most critical of Apple, I may not post it here, on the other hand I don't recollect you having anything negative to write with regards to the many bad things google does, although I may be wrong.
Yes you would be wrong. I've criticized Google (for example their continuance of SEP injunction cases post-Moto) when I feel they deserve it, and been even harsher with Samsung. Something I very seldom do is actually criticize or complain about Apple, Some here misconstrue anything not anti-Google or anti-Android as necessarily anti-Apple.
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Originally Posted by hfts
No you are spinning yet again. Bending over backwards as you stated inferred Apple were pleading with google to get their maps onto the iPhone.
I would say that's your own prejudice inferring such. Or perhaps the phrase is taken differently where you are.
So every review google maps had was shown in a positive light? Wow what an amazing product, perfect from version 1.0, this is a first in the whole industry.
You keep throwing up strawmen.. I never said it was perfect. If you check the thread, I was replying to the notion that:
Quote:
Google Maps was widely panned for...the exact same issues facing Apple Maps
When the fact is, it was not widely panned when it came out. Quite the contrary.
I do believe we witnessed KD and GG periods sync, simply amazing.
True, but, again, you bring up that you are talking about a desktop web app from 2005. And it did fare very favorable to what was available at the time. Not arguing that point. My point was were these reviews from the days/weeks after launch, and you accurately cite one. That answered my question. The bigger issue, yes, for Apple, is that expectations of a default maps application on a late 2012 smartphone are, rightly so, exponentially higher that a desktop/web app was in early 2005.
The only issues I see about Apple Maps today are references, still, to the "widely panned" launch of Apple Maps. Journalists are lazy today. I would love to see just one early reviewer take their critical review of Apple Maps from mid/late September 2012 and redo the exact same test now, and show us the improvements made or highlight what is, five months later, still incorrect. I would also like to know if that journalist, back in September when writing the article, actually took the few seconds to report the inaccuracies. Find me such an article and i would be shocked because I haven't seen one.
You also point out that Google Maps were normally only off a couple of houses. There were issues the, there are still issues. For instance, my neighborhood. First built in 2006. Seven years ago. Shows up on Google Maps and Apple Maps. Of course, to go anywhere from my house, Apple correctly tells me the roads to use, where Google Maps tells me to get to a road that used to be here but was removed in 2005. Yesterday, for S & Gs, when taking my daughter to a friends house, I used my iPhone with Apple Maps, and my wife's with the Google Maps app. Both were nearly identical. Google wanted me to take a left one street earlier than Apple (maybe to avoid a light?) and then a right, where Apple had me stay on the road and take a left at the light. The difference here is that Google would have taken me straight into the neighborhood, but cutting across both lanes of traffic, where Apple had me taking the left at the light and a right into the neighborhood. One could argue that the Apple route was safer. But then everything lined up again, until the very end. Google told me to turn left, Apple a right. What would have happened if I took the left Google told me to? Aside from driving through a fence, I would have gone into a pond. Apple had that right, too.
Big issues? Not to me, but proves that all mapping software has issues, and if it was any company other than Apple, it would not have been nearly as big of an issue, if made to be an issue at all. I guess that is Apple's own fault, they have set expectations of perfection, where other companies are comfortable with good enough.
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Originally Posted by starbird73
True, but, again, you bring up that you are talking about a desktop web app from 2005. And it did fare very favorable to what was available at the time. Not arguing that point. My point was were these reviews from the days/weeks after launch, and you accurately cite one. That answered my question.
Excellent ! I would note again, though, that I was originally only comparing mobile app to mobile app; it was others who brought up the 2005 web app.
Google's J2ME based mobile map app for both feature and smartphones first came out in 2006, and was widely praised for the ability to search nearby, to pan the map easily, and for being able to click on search result phone numbers to dial them.
The bigger issue, yes, for Apple, is that expectations of a default maps application on a late 2012 smartphone are, rightly so, exponentially higher that a desktop/web app was in early 2005.
I agree with that, and most of the rest of your post.
Again, I'm only pointing out that it is historically incorrect to claim that Google Maps Mobile had the same kind of poor initial public perception and reviews, as the much later Apple Maps did. It just didn't happen, for all sorts of reasons, many of which you have pointed out. People should pick a different, more valid, example.
Regards.
True. Though the issue I feel, and many others likely do, is that you can only separate the desktop/browser app from the mobile app if you are speaking of issues with the performance. I would be surprised if the back end data is different for those two Google versions. So to that effect, Google mobile maps benefited from the 18+ months and lower expectations of the desktop version.
The reason I bring this up is that, again, separating the two google versions implies the mechanics of the apps are better.
The Apple Maps app is one of the most impressive, IMHO, mapping apps out there. The app itself, AFAIK, has zero issues or complaints. What the choir of complaints deals with it the data. That is something that is not directly tied to the app. The app works and is beautiful. The data behind it is what drives the complaints and is what is improving daily.
Again, the burden is Apple's. they knew the importance of Maps (a likely driver in their decision to abandon Google) and moved ahead. They didn't have the desktop version first to get better at with more forgiveness.
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Originally Posted by AppleSauce007
Google is starting to feel the pain of losing the default Maps position on iOS to Apple Maps.
Wait until they lose search and maps on both iOS and Mac OS X.
Time will tell.
Exactly, AppleSauce. I'd like to have 'Start Page' as my default search on both iOS and OS. Start Page uses google but sends your inquiry out so you aren't tracked by Google. Duckduckgo is another pretty good search engine so it should be included. I've sent Tim a note on the matter. Maybe if more do the same he might think about doing it. Now that would set Google to worry.
Cheers !
Quote:
Originally Posted by AppleInsider
Google technology ambassador Michael T. Jones speaks with "One Plus One.
""I certainly trust Apple, and I trust Google, and I trust Microsoft, for that matter.
He obviously doesn't use his Google Maps.
The number of serious Google Maps errors I experienced last year was unbelievable. I was a big user of Google Maps, but when it took me to the wrong side of the I5 last Aug to get to my hotel south of Everett, WA, I'd had enough!
I had to go into another hotel to get directions and a sign beside their front desk said it all:
"Don't use Google Maps to find us!"