^^^ This. People keep ignoring what Tim Cook said about the Pro.
They have selective listening, they only choose what they want to believe. Some of the professionals, not all of them, just want to bitch and complain because it makes them feel more important.
I think Apple should at least announce a release date for the Mac Pro. It's not like it's going to hurt the current Mac Pro sales which are very small anyways. I can see why they keep it secret for the iPads, iPhones and Macbooks because those are such cutthroat markets. The Mac Pro market isn't like that though. These production houses know what they want and will pay the premium to get it. Keeping them in the dark just pisses them off.
If its contingent on Intel releasing a new chip, they have to wait for Intel first. They can't announce something if they are waiting for a component supplier to announce a new product first. THEN they can announce something.
Please answer me this, has any other company made an announcement of a new product before the processors from another supplier were announced?
There is nothing to see here, IMO. Apple will release new Mac Pros sometime in 2013, and then all of the people who constantly talk about the Mac Pro line being "dead" or "discontinued" will have to admit that they don't know what they're talking about, and that they've all been regurgitating complete crap for a long time now.
Real pros don't run around switching out their main workhorse machines every six months, they've got real work to complete and real clients to please. The Mac Pro line is obviously not a huge seller for Apple, compared to their other products.
They also can't do much until Intel releases new chips. Intel didn't release the Ivy Bridge XEONs last year. Even Intel's getting their high end chips out later than their mobile and regular desktop chips out. It's just the way it is.
Dang it. If only we'd known Europeans were so afraid of computer fans! It would have been so much easier to win WW2. Just walk up to German soldiers and hold up a computer fan and they would run away.
Apple should make two versions of the next Mac Pro, a US version and a European version. The European version will come with a crash helmet, knee pads and gloves, because we wouldn't want any Europeans accidentally hurting themselves, now would we? The European version will obviously have to cost $1199 more, in order to cover the cost of the enhanced safety features, and to ensure that the next Mac Pro is in full compliance with all of the genius regulations that the EU may think of.
[" url="/t/156051/mac-pro-no-longer-available-from-european-online-apple-stores#post_2279931"]There is nothing to see here, IMO. Apple will release new Mac Pros sometime in 2013, and then all of the people who constantly talk about the Mac Pro line being "dead" or "discontinued" will have to admit that they don't know what they're talking about, and that they've all been regurgitating complete crap for a long time now.
Real pros don't run around switching out their main workhorse machines every six months, they've got real work to complete and real clients to please. The Mac Pro line is obviously not a huge seller for Apple, compared to their other products.
Excellent point. Pros just work, many times on 'old' hardware. Many don't know what processor speed they have, how much RAM and all that. They just look at InDesign or whatever and say, hmm, maybe it's time to get a new Mac because it's slower than it used to be.
MMPP (My MP prediction):
6 socket 4 and 6-core XEON CPU
16 RAM slots, maxing out at 256GB
ODD (for mass DVD production you can't hand over a DVD anyway; that has to be on tape)
USB2/3 (no v3 needed but for future proofing it would make sense. CPU has to support it though)
2xFW800 on the back (why dump it if they don't have to pay a software license)
2xEth, 'many' TB, analogue/optical in/out, WiFi, BT and all that
1 or 2 PSU
Similar chassis to current one, 19" high so can be put on shelve for racks,: stack all CPU's vertically (landscape orientation, at the front) and put all (6?) PCI cards behind that. Above that 1 or 2 PSU. So:
CPU PSU
CPU PSU
CPU PCI CPU PCI CPU PCI CPU PCI
????????????????PCI
????????????????PCI
Craply done layout but you'll 'get the picture' I trust: 6xCPU stacked at front, 6x PCI tacked at back + 2xPSU op top of that. Put air holes at the bottom with a filter, fans on top, sucking cold air and blow out the hot air at the top/back. Not regular fans, but the ones posted in yesterdays thread.
I'm looking at my Mac Pro, and I'll be darned if I can figure out a way to hurt myself on its fans. You would have to have a finger with a diameter smaller than 0.125" to get to the fans. What exactly is this EU regulation all about????
I'm looking at my Mac Pro, and I'll be darned if I can figure out a way to hurt myself on its fans. You would have to have a finger with a diameter smaller than 0.125" to get to the fans. What exactly is this EU regulation all about????
You can power up a MP with the side panel off (test RAM etc). Then you can hurt yourself. EU seems to be forgetting that if you drop a Mac Pro on your toes it will hurt as well. Amputating one if dropped at the right angle.
You can power up a MP with the side panel off (test RAM etc). Then you can hurt yourself. EU seems to be forgetting that if you drop a Mac Pro on your toes it will hurt as well. Amputating one if dropped at the right angle.
You could hurt yourself on the electricity but not really the fans. The motors are too weak. If you jam your finger in they just stop, they don't chop it off.
You can power up a MP with the side panel off (test RAM etc). Then you can hurt yourself. EU seems to be forgetting that if you drop a Mac Pro on your toes it will hurt as well. Amputating one if dropped at the right angle.
You could hurt yourself on the electricity but not really the fans. The motors are too weak. If you jam your finger in they just stop, they don't chop it off.
There haven't been much of anything else getting released by anyone else in the top end systems because they are waiting on Intel to release the Ivy Bridge XEONs.
Everyone else in the top end systems is using Sandy Bridge.
The Mac Pro stopped being a top end system a while ago, especially the chip set and the GPUs are really outdated!
The Mac Pro stopped being a top end system a while ago, especially the chip set and the GPUs are really outdated!
I believe that is because Apple is waiting for Intel to release their Haswell-DT CPU with the LGA1150 socket, which also would allow for USB3. ETA is June 2.
But don't take it from me as I am uneducated in the CPU department. Maybe JeffDM or Marvin can chime in here. They are doing that over here, sharing great info.
Everyone else in the top end systems is using Sandy Bridge.
Really? Which dual CPU system on the market is Sandy Bridge?
Answer? None of them. Sandy Bridge doesn't support multiple CPUs. There's a reason for the Xeon line to exist.
Apple made a strategic decision to market the MacPro for only the very high end markets which typically require multiple CPUs. Because of that decision - and Intel's failure to release newer Xeon products - Apple is limited in what they can offer.
Strange remark; look at Final Cut Pro X: announced on April 12, 2011 and released on June 21. FCP EOL-ed right there.
Excellent point. Pros just work, many times on 'old' hardware. Many don't know what processor speed they have, how much RAM and all that. They just look at InDesign or whatever and say, hmm, maybe it's time to get a new Mac because it's slower than it used to be.
MMPP (My MP prediction):
6 socket 4 and 6-core XEON CPU
16 RAM slots, maxing out at 256GB
ODD (for mass DVD production you can't hand over a DVD anyway; that has to be on tape)
USB2/3 (no v3 needed but for future proofing it would make sense. CPU has to support it though)
2xFW800 on the back (why dump it if they don't have to pay a software license)
2xEth, 'many' TB, analogue/optical in/out, WiFi, BT and all that
1 or 2 PSU
Similar chassis to current one, 19" high so can be put on shelve for racks,: stack all CPU's vertically (landscape orientation, at the front) and put all (6?) PCI cards behind that. Above that 1 or 2 PSU. So:
CPU PSU
CPU PSU
CPU PCI CPU PCI CPU PCI CPU PCI
????????????????PCI
????????????????PCI
Craply done layout but you'll 'get the picture' I trust: 6xCPU stacked at front, 6x PCI tacked at back + 2xPSU op top of that. Put air holes at the bottom with a filter, fans on top, sucking cold air and blow out the hot air at the top/back. Not regular fans, but the ones posted in yesterdays thread.
Pros fall into many categories and your summation is right on for most design related pros i know. Many I know are still using Snow Leopard on a five year+ old MacPro. The bleeding edge pros are the ones that use MacPros for high end video and craving more power to edit their 4K and up RED footage. It's for those guys and gals I hope there will soon be a new MacPro that blows us away for power and eats Cray's for lunch .
I personally think it is important for Apple to have an "F1" flag ship with bragging rights even if they only sell a few.
Pros fall into many categories and your summation is right on for most design related pros i know. Many I know are still using Snow Leopard on a five year+ old MacPro. The bleeding edge pros are the ones that use MacPros for high end video and craving more power to edit their 4K and up RED footage. It's for those guys and gals I hope there will soon be a new MacPro that blows us away for power and eats Cray's for lunch .
I personally think it is important for Apple to have an "F1" flag ship with bragging rights even if they only sell a few.
I agree completely. The iMac is powerful enough for the vast majority of 'pro-sumer' users. With Thunderbolt expandability, there just aren't that many things that it won't handle easily. Sure, it's not an uber-gaming-system, but hard-core gamers are unlikely to be buying Macs, anyway.
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Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton
^^^ This. People keep ignoring what Tim Cook said about the Pro.
They have selective listening, they only choose what they want to believe. Some of the professionals, not all of them, just want to bitch and complain because it makes them feel more important.
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Originally Posted by GadgetCanada
I think Apple should at least announce a release date for the Mac Pro. It's not like it's going to hurt the current Mac Pro sales which are very small anyways. I can see why they keep it secret for the iPads, iPhones and Macbooks because those are such cutthroat markets. The Mac Pro market isn't like that though. These production houses know what they want and will pay the premium to get it. Keeping them in the dark just pisses them off.
If its contingent on Intel releasing a new chip, they have to wait for Intel first. They can't announce something if they are waiting for a component supplier to announce a new product first. THEN they can announce something.
Please answer me this, has any other company made an announcement of a new product before the processors from another supplier were announced?
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Originally Posted by Apple ][
There is nothing to see here, IMO. Apple will release new Mac Pros sometime in 2013, and then all of the people who constantly talk about the Mac Pro line being "dead" or "discontinued" will have to admit that they don't know what they're talking about, and that they've all been regurgitating complete crap for a long time now.
Real pros don't run around switching out their main workhorse machines every six months, they've got real work to complete and real clients to please. The Mac Pro line is obviously not a huge seller for Apple, compared to their other products.
They also can't do much until Intel releases new chips. Intel didn't release the Ivy Bridge XEONs last year. Even Intel's getting their high end chips out later than their mobile and regular desktop chips out. It's just the way it is.
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Originally Posted by jragosta
Yep. I wonder if all these people will admit how wrong they were after Apple releases the 2013 Mac Pro.
These are people who don't buy Mac Pros but are here to stir the pot.
Dang it. If only we'd known Europeans were so afraid of computer fans! It would have been so much easier to win WW2. Just walk up to German soldiers and hold up a computer fan and they would run away.
Apple should make two versions of the next Mac Pro, a US version and a European version. The European version will come with a crash helmet, knee pads and gloves, because we wouldn't want any Europeans accidentally hurting themselves, now would we? The European version will obviously have to cost $1199 more, in order to cover the cost of the enhanced safety features, and to ensure that the next Mac Pro is in full compliance with all of the genius regulations that the EU may think of.
Cook said it's coming so... it must be coming. That would be stupid of him to say so knowing that it's not true.
This news means that it's coming very soon right?
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Originally Posted by Wovel
Well, during WWII you would have needed 6 guys to hold up the fan.
Hehe. Now that *would* need a protective grille.
Strange remark; look at Final Cut Pro X: announced on April 12, 2011 and released on June 21. FCP EOL-ed right there.
Excellent point. Pros just work, many times on 'old' hardware. Many don't know what processor speed they have, how much RAM and all that. They just look at InDesign or whatever and say, hmm, maybe it's time to get a new Mac because it's slower than it used to be.
MMPP (My MP prediction):
ODD(for mass DVD production you can't hand over a DVD anyway; that has to be on tape)CPU PSU
CPU PSU
CPU PCI
CPU PCI
CPU PCI
CPU PCI
????????????????PCI
????????????????PCI
Craply done layout but you'll 'get the picture' I trust: 6xCPU stacked at front, 6x PCI tacked at back + 2xPSU op top of that. Put air holes at the bottom with a filter, fans on top, sucking cold air and blow out the hot air at the top/back. Not regular fans, but the ones posted in yesterdays thread.
I'm looking at my Mac Pro, and I'll be darned if I can figure out a way to hurt myself on its fans. You would have to have a finger with a diameter smaller than 0.125" to get to the fans. What exactly is this EU regulation all about????
You can power up a MP with the side panel off (test RAM etc). Then you can hurt yourself. EU seems to be forgetting that if you drop a Mac Pro on your toes it will hurt as well. Amputating one if dropped at the right angle.
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Originally Posted by PhilBoogie
You can power up a MP with the side panel off (test RAM etc). Then you can hurt yourself. EU seems to be forgetting that if you drop a Mac Pro on your toes it will hurt as well. Amputating one if dropped at the right angle.
You could hurt yourself on the electricity but not really the fans. The motors are too weak. If you jam your finger in they just stop, they don't chop it off.
I'm surprised to see it's also been removed from the Swiss store. I thought this was an EU thing.
Edit: oh, it's the IEC not the EU.
I thought I'd simply post the exact ruling here, but certainly not going to pay 340 for it:
http://webstore.iec.ch/webstore/webstore.nsf/ArtNum_PK/35320
edit: there's a preview pdf
Seems logical; the IEC is based in Switzerland!
edit 2:
Where the safety regulation applies
The IEC 60950-1 amendment 1 applies to EU countries and EFTA states who follow those requirements.
This means that the full list of countries includes:
EU countries:
Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, United Kingdom
Countries on the road to EU membership:
Croatia, Iceland, Montenegro, Serbia, The former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, Turkey
European Free Trade Association (EFTA) countries:
Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway, Switzerland
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Originally Posted by drblank
There haven't been much of anything else getting released by anyone else in the top end systems because they are waiting on Intel to release the Ivy Bridge XEONs.
Everyone else in the top end systems is using Sandy Bridge.
The Mac Pro stopped being a top end system a while ago, especially the chip set and the GPUs are really outdated!
I believe that is because Apple is waiting for Intel to release their Haswell-DT CPU with the LGA1150 socket, which also would allow for USB3. ETA is June 2.
But don't take it from me as I am uneducated in the CPU department. Maybe JeffDM or Marvin can chime in here. They are doing that over here, sharing great info.
Really? Which dual CPU system on the market is Sandy Bridge?
Answer? None of them. Sandy Bridge doesn't support multiple CPUs. There's a reason for the Xeon line to exist.
Apple made a strategic decision to market the MacPro for only the very high end markets which typically require multiple CPUs. Because of that decision - and Intel's failure to release newer Xeon products - Apple is limited in what they can offer.
Pros fall into many categories and your summation is right on for most design related pros i know. Many I know are still using Snow Leopard on a five year+ old MacPro. The bleeding edge pros are the ones that use MacPros for high end video and craving more power to edit their 4K and up RED footage. It's for those guys and gals I hope there will soon be a new MacPro that blows us away for power and eats Cray's for lunch
I personally think it is important for Apple to have an "F1" flag ship with bragging rights even if they only sell a few.
I agree completely. The iMac is powerful enough for the vast majority of 'pro-sumer' users. With Thunderbolt expandability, there just aren't that many things that it won't handle easily. Sure, it's not an uber-gaming-system, but hard-core gamers are unlikely to be buying Macs, anyway.