Just the 2 biggest carriers in the biggest and growing smartphone market in the world. One can argue that VZW singlehandedly propelled Android to where it is today, and the same can be said of ATT and the iPhone. Can the same be said of any other carrier in the world?
How are ATT and VZW the biggest carriers in the biggest market when they actually rank 19th and 21st in number of subscribers in world rankings?
The US market is often touted as being near saturation point, so it's growth potential isn't that great in world terms.
Seriously... this really troubles me. The amount of stupid people polluting forums (and actually buying phones) is staggering.
"Samsung needs competition". -- Seriously? Samsung represents the "trash" inside the android world. Only someone very very very stupid that can be easily manipulated buys galaxy S3. It's a fact, there's no discussion. Most highend phones are better than the s3 in EVERY SINGLE WAY, but because samsung spent 15 billions on advertising, I have to read and listen to these brainwashed idiots.
I WOULD LOVE FOR SOMEONE THAT HAS A S3 TO TRY AND EXPLAIN WHY THEY BOUGHT THAT PHONE, knowing that better phones on every single metric are available. Seriously stupid fandroid sheeps, try it.
The previous ONE line was already better than the S3 (screen, performance, build quality, UI, cost... everything), and some people think that Samsung is the top dog because it makes the best android phones? Please, educate yourself.
Meanwhile, HTC is developing great devices like these recent models, but they won't become healthy again if they don't invest more on advertising. No one needs Samsung-levels of ads, but a nice serious ad that says how many phones are better than samsung phones (with facts, like: "our new phone is faster, has a better screen, better build quality, better UI, better design and is more powerful. Meanwhile, millions are still buying the galaxy S3. Are you as stupid as them?").
I agree with you to an extent, but the S3 was the top Android dog when it came out and a few months later. Not anymore for sure, but the S4 is nearly out so that is the one that will compete with these newer phones not the S3. I like this new HTC One except for the fact that they left out an SD card. I am not sure how that will effect sales of this model vs. other phones that include it but I would have probably bought the 64GB model then added also added a 64GB card and I am sure others would have done the same for the 32GB model.
I am excited to see some new phones with the Tegra 4i later this year. I won't buy anything until I see what Apple will release and if they will make a larger display I will stick with an iPhone. If not, I will get the best Android phone on the market I can find at that time.
You're talking about the entirty of mobile handset subscribers but the OP is clearly talking about smartphones; high-end smartphones at that. China Mobile might have a few million iPhones on it but they aren't official and they are using '2G' EDGE as the fastest data option from the carrier.
Personally, I think the 2013 HTC One looks more like the iPhone 5 than this Sensation. It's all in the corner radii. The ratio of corner radii to device size on the Sensation appear much bigger than the 2013 HTC One or iPhone 5.
Also, I disagree with you on the 2 tone backs and design language similarities between the Sensation and the 2013 HTC One. To me, the 2013 HTC One is just an aluminized version of the 2012 HTC One. I guess the micro-arc oxidization didn't really work out, but the basic shape between the two is really similar. Where the 2012 and 2013 HTC One differ, HTC made it more iPhone like. They straightened the sides instead of a super slight curve and made the corner radii more iPhone like. With the chamfer, that makes the front look like iPhone. Otherwise, the 2013 HTC One is really a 2012 HTC One with an aluminum casing, thinner, and plastic breaks for antenna design.
The 2 tone ornamental language in the Sensation is more a fashion, like the crazy plateaus in the Droid Incredible. I don't see it any resemblence of maintaining a 2-tone color design language in the 2013 HTC One. But it's neither here now there. It's no Samsung copying the 3G/3GS with it's plethora of Galaxy phones in 2010/2011 and even into 2012.
It's a bad sign when you have your design chief giving interviews on why your phone is better than the iPhone. When's the last time Jony Ive ever did that? Why mention Apple at all? All it does is give the impression you're obsessed with Apple and your design brief was to outdo Apple in design. How about having a original design that didn't lead to comparisons with Apple? A unibody aluminum phone with chamfered edges isn't a good start.
It's a bad sign when you have your design chief giving interviews on why your phone is better than the iPhone. When's the last time Jony Ive ever did that? Why mention Apple at all? All it does is give the impression you're obsessed with Apple and your design brief was to outdo Apple in design. How about having a original design that didn't lead to comparisons with Apple? A unibody aluminum phone with chamfered edges isn't a good start.
It's not his fault that the iPhone has become the measuring stick they all have to design against.
And you should learn reading comprehension, keyword is 'smartphone' not cell phone. I thought the US market was near saturation 2 yrs ago yet the amount of subscribers gained by VZW and ATT every quarter is astonishing. FYI I work outdoors so I'm out a lot more than you are.
You're talking about the entirty of mobile handset subscribers but the OP is clearly talking about smartphones; high-end smartphones at that. China Mobile might have a few million iPhones on it but they aren't official and they are using '2G' EDGE as the fastest data option from the carrier.
And would you say the same about Vodafone, who might well have more smartphone users than ATT and VZW combined? 48% of Vodafone subscribers in Ireland use smartphones, and that in a country in economic dire straits at the personal as well as national level. The OP stated this handset would fail, because of how ATT and VZW operate. I was just trying to point out that in global terms, they don't really matter and are not in any position to determine whether or not this handset 'fails.'
You're talking about the entirty of mobile handset subscribers but the OP is clearly talking about smartphones; high-end smartphones at that. China Mobile might have a few million iPhones on it but they aren't official and they are using '2G' EDGE as the fastest data option from the carrier.
And many of those iPhones in China weren't originally purchased there.
468 ppi? At what point can we call this overkill? After retina, by definition finer resolution than you can see, what good are more ppi?
Oh we will know soon. By soon, I mean in about 9 months or so. If a product truly over serves a customers needs, you'll see the prices come down as customers will buy cheaper options and update cycles will increase. It'll be reflected in decreasing ASPs of the devices.
468 ppi? At what point can we call this overkill? After retina, by definition finer resolution than you can see, what good are more ppi?
When the iMac first came out Jony Ive said companies focus on specs because they're easier to communicate value. It's easier to say 5 is better than 2. For me when it comes to smartphones the two things right now I consider spec whoring are 1080p displays and quad-core processors. Could probably throw in megapixels too. They're there primarily because they look good on a spec sheet and all the geeks on tech sites will drool over them. And since Apple takes a different approach it's a way for them to get the tech press and broader media to declare their phone better than the iPhone because they can check a bunch of stuff off a list. And you know, quad core always sounds better than dual core. ;-)
A unibody aluminum phone with chamfered edges isn't a good start.
The time frames are quite close such that it's likely a coincidence. Either that, or there was a bit of industrial espionage going on. If the chamfer size end up being really close, I would actually give a little credence to industrial espionage. But who knows. Other than the straightening out of the sides and the chamfer, I think HTC One is its own unique device, with a direct lineage to the HTC One in 2012.
Got to wonder if HTC's designers had a bit of melt down when they saw the iPhone 5 design. Then another melt down after the Blackberry Z10 design was shown. Those two just basically took all the pop out of the 2013 HTC One design. Secrecy is indeed important, as well as a backup design.
They are now basically left with touted the dual/stereo speakers and the camera as headlining features. Mind that I love the multi-speaker and better low light performance camera designs, but initial impressions are hugely important, and that's the case of the device. Crazy.
Don't fight it. This is AI. Most here are incapable of any criticism of Apple. Tim Cook could kill puppies and kittens for lunch and many here would defend that as brilliant, and label critics as Apple haters. Bookmark this thread. And when Apple release a larger and denser screen, and the usual suspects prattle on incessantly about how its a game-changing move, you can post their comments back in reply.
On topic, I don't think Apple will release a higher resolution screen until they release a larger screen. But on the Android side, it's pretty obvious (looking at larger screens), that a higher resolution is useful. I, too agree, that if you look carefully, you can see the pixels. And it's far more noticeable on a bigger screen. No idea why that is. Is it bothersome? No. It requires effort to notice the pixels. Is it good that OEMs are improving their screens. Obviously. As long as the overall experience is improved by the new screen, I fail to see why anybody should write it off as unnecessary or excessive.
What's the big deal? Most here are exceptionally loyal to Apple. And won't comparison shop. Ever. Your first destination in the mall, is the Apple Store. Heck, there's probably days when it's the only destination for most of you. Nothing wrong with it. But don't try and pretend that most of you are the average consumer. The average consumer when precedented with a plethora of choice in his carrier's store may well decide that this screen is impressive enough to put his hard-earned money towards. And if it's the one little bit that pushes the One over the top, then I am sure HTC will be quite happy with the results. They've been struggling. So kudos to them for going all out. All of us gain from the competition.
One point I will throw out there on supposed "spec-whoring":
It's far easier to explain what 1080p means to the average smartphone buyer than 640x1136.
"Same resolution as your TV at home."
Of course, customers will place several phones (including the iPhone) beside each other to compare what the screens look like, and that will probably factor in to the decisions of those who are on the fence.
One point I will throw out there on supposed "spec-whoring":
It's far easier to explain what 1080p means to the average smartphone buyer than 640x1136.
"Same resolution as your TV at home."
Of course, customers will place several phones (including the iPhone) beside each other to compare what the screens look like, and that will probably factor in to the decisions of those who are on the fence.
I'm sorry, but if you are talking about the iPhone, you are being irrational.
This screen looks great, but what you will see there are the same "amateur" apps (compared to apps designed FOR the iPhone 5) and no screen can change that. Will someone be able to lose so much power, UI speed, app and ecosystem quality, build quality, etc for something like this so they can say "1080p"? I guess not.
It's a bad sign when you have your design chief giving interviews on why your phone is better than the iPhone. When's the last time Jony Ive ever did that? Why mention Apple at all? All it does is give the impression you're obsessed with Apple and your design brief was to outdo Apple in design. How about having a original design that didn't lead to comparisons with Apple? A unibody aluminum phone with chamfered edges isn't a good start.
Is that anything like the debut of iPad mini where they spent so much time comparing it to the Nexus 7?
And would you say the same about Vodafone, who might well have more smartphone users than ATT and VZW combined? 48% of Vodafone subscribers in Ireland use smartphones, and that in a country in economic dire straits at the personal as well as national level. The OP stated this handset would fail, because of how ATT and VZW operate. I was just trying to point out that in global terms, they don't really matter and are not in any position to determine whether or not this handset 'fails.'
I didn't take the global market into consideration but the fact is there are probably very few if any high end smartphones that sold extremely well overseas but not in the US.
I'm sorry, but if you are talking about the iPhone, you are being irrational.
This screen looks great, but what you will see there are the same "amateur" apps (compared to apps designed FOR the iPhone 5) and no screen can change that. Will someone be able to lose so much power, UI speed, app and ecosystem quality, build quality, etc for something like this so they can say "1080p"? I guess not.
The performance gap is no longer what you seem to think it is. We're not talking about Gingerbread here. And considering this phone is made from the same two materials as the iPhone, but with arguably better speakers and image sensor, I don't think this is the phone to choose to rag on build quality.
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Originally Posted by dasanman69
Just the 2 biggest carriers in the biggest and growing smartphone market in the world. One can argue that VZW singlehandedly propelled Android to where it is today, and the same can be said of ATT and the iPhone. Can the same be said of any other carrier in the world?
How are ATT and VZW the biggest carriers in the biggest market when they actually rank 19th and 21st in number of subscribers in world rankings?
The US market is often touted as being near saturation point, so it's growth potential isn't that great in world terms.
You should get out more.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mobile_network_operators
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Originally Posted by pedromartins
Seriously... this really troubles me. The amount of stupid people polluting forums (and actually buying phones) is staggering.
"Samsung needs competition". -- Seriously? Samsung represents the "trash" inside the android world. Only someone very very very stupid that can be easily manipulated buys galaxy S3. It's a fact, there's no discussion. Most highend phones are better than the s3 in EVERY SINGLE WAY, but because samsung spent 15 billions on advertising, I have to read and listen to these brainwashed idiots.
I WOULD LOVE FOR SOMEONE THAT HAS A S3 TO TRY AND EXPLAIN WHY THEY BOUGHT THAT PHONE, knowing that better phones on every single metric are available. Seriously stupid fandroid sheeps, try it.
The previous ONE line was already better than the S3 (screen, performance, build quality, UI, cost... everything), and some people think that Samsung is the top dog because it makes the best android phones? Please, educate yourself.
Meanwhile, HTC is developing great devices like these recent models, but they won't become healthy again if they don't invest more on advertising. No one needs Samsung-levels of ads, but a nice serious ad that says how many phones are better than samsung phones (with facts, like: "our new phone is faster, has a better screen, better build quality, better UI, better design and is more powerful. Meanwhile, millions are still buying the galaxy S3. Are you as stupid as them?").
I agree with you to an extent, but the S3 was the top Android dog when it came out and a few months later. Not anymore for sure, but the S4 is nearly out so that is the one that will compete with these newer phones not the S3. I like this new HTC One except for the fact that they left out an SD card. I am not sure how that will effect sales of this model vs. other phones that include it but I would have probably bought the 64GB model then added also added a 64GB card and I am sure others would have done the same for the 32GB model.
I am excited to see some new phones with the Tegra 4i later this year. I won't buy anything until I see what Apple will release and if they will make a larger display I will stick with an iPhone. If not, I will get the best Android phone on the market I can find at that time.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2013/02/19/nvidia-unveils-tegra-4i-lte-processor-reference-design-smartphone/
You're talking about the entirty of mobile handset subscribers but the OP is clearly talking about smartphones; high-end smartphones at that. China Mobile might have a few million iPhones on it but they aren't official and they are using '2G' EDGE as the fastest data option from the carrier.
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Originally Posted by THT
Personally, I think the 2013 HTC One looks more like the iPhone 5 than this Sensation. It's all in the corner radii. The ratio of corner radii to device size on the Sensation appear much bigger than the 2013 HTC One or iPhone 5.
Also, I disagree with you on the 2 tone backs and design language similarities between the Sensation and the 2013 HTC One. To me, the 2013 HTC One is just an aluminized version of the 2012 HTC One. I guess the micro-arc oxidization didn't really work out, but the basic shape between the two is really similar. Where the 2012 and 2013 HTC One differ, HTC made it more iPhone like. They straightened the sides instead of a super slight curve and made the corner radii more iPhone like. With the chamfer, that makes the front look like iPhone. Otherwise, the 2013 HTC One is really a 2012 HTC One with an aluminum casing, thinner, and plastic breaks for antenna design.
The 2 tone ornamental language in the Sensation is more a fashion, like the crazy plateaus in the Droid Incredible. I don't see it any resemblence of maintaining a 2-tone color design language in the 2013 HTC One. But it's neither here now there. It's no Samsung copying the 3G/3GS with it's plethora of Galaxy phones in 2010/2011 and even into 2012.
It's a bad sign when you have your design chief giving interviews on why your phone is better than the iPhone. When's the last time Jony Ive ever did that? Why mention Apple at all? All it does is give the impression you're obsessed with Apple and your design brief was to outdo Apple in design. How about having a original design that didn't lead to comparisons with Apple? A unibody aluminum phone with chamfered edges isn't a good start.
It's not his fault that the iPhone has become the measuring stick they all have to design against.
And you should learn reading comprehension, keyword is 'smartphone' not cell phone. I thought the US market was near saturation 2 yrs ago yet the amount of subscribers gained by VZW and ATT every quarter is astonishing. FYI I work outdoors so I'm out a lot more than you are.
The home button is now on the screen.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
You're talking about the entirty of mobile handset subscribers but the OP is clearly talking about smartphones; high-end smartphones at that. China Mobile might have a few million iPhones on it but they aren't official and they are using '2G' EDGE as the fastest data option from the carrier.
And would you say the same about Vodafone, who might well have more smartphone users than ATT and VZW combined? 48% of Vodafone subscribers in Ireland use smartphones, and that in a country in economic dire straits at the personal as well as national level. The OP stated this handset would fail, because of how ATT and VZW operate. I was just trying to point out that in global terms, they don't really matter and are not in any position to determine whether or not this handset 'fails.'
And many of those iPhones in China weren't originally purchased there.
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Originally Posted by shen
468 ppi? At what point can we call this overkill? After retina, by definition finer resolution than you can see, what good are more ppi?
Oh we will know soon. By soon, I mean in about 9 months or so. If a product truly over serves a customers needs, you'll see the prices come down as customers will buy cheaper options and update cycles will increase. It'll be reflected in decreasing ASPs of the devices.
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Originally Posted by shen
468 ppi? At what point can we call this overkill? After retina, by definition finer resolution than you can see, what good are more ppi?
When the iMac first came out Jony Ive said companies focus on specs because they're easier to communicate value. It's easier to say 5 is better than 2. For me when it comes to smartphones the two things right now I consider spec whoring are 1080p displays and quad-core processors. Could probably throw in megapixels too. They're there primarily because they look good on a spec sheet and all the geeks on tech sites will drool over them. And since Apple takes a different approach it's a way for them to get the tech press and broader media to declare their phone better than the iPhone because they can check a bunch of stuff off a list. And you know, quad core always sounds better than dual core. ;-)
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Originally Posted by Rogifan
A unibody aluminum phone with chamfered edges isn't a good start.
The time frames are quite close such that it's likely a coincidence. Either that, or there was a bit of industrial espionage going on. If the chamfer size end up being really close, I would actually give a little credence to industrial espionage. But who knows. Other than the straightening out of the sides and the chamfer, I think HTC One is its own unique device, with a direct lineage to the HTC One in 2012.
Got to wonder if HTC's designers had a bit of melt down when they saw the iPhone 5 design. Then another melt down after the Blackberry Z10 design was shown. Those two just basically took all the pop out of the 2013 HTC One design. Secrecy is indeed important, as well as a backup design.
They are now basically left with touted the dual/stereo speakers and the camera as headlining features. Mind that I love the multi-speaker and better low light performance camera designs, but initial impressions are hugely important, and that's the case of the device. Crazy.
@ecpho
Don't fight it. This is AI. Most here are incapable of any criticism of Apple. Tim Cook could kill puppies and kittens for lunch and many here would defend that as brilliant, and label critics as Apple haters. Bookmark this thread. And when Apple release a larger and denser screen, and the usual suspects prattle on incessantly about how its a game-changing move, you can post their comments back in reply.
On topic, I don't think Apple will release a higher resolution screen until they release a larger screen. But on the Android side, it's pretty obvious (looking at larger screens), that a higher resolution is useful. I, too agree, that if you look carefully, you can see the pixels. And it's far more noticeable on a bigger screen. No idea why that is. Is it bothersome? No. It requires effort to notice the pixels. Is it good that OEMs are improving their screens. Obviously. As long as the overall experience is improved by the new screen, I fail to see why anybody should write it off as unnecessary or excessive.
What's the big deal? Most here are exceptionally loyal to Apple. And won't comparison shop. Ever. Your first destination in the mall, is the Apple Store. Heck, there's probably days when it's the only destination for most of you. Nothing wrong with it. But don't try and pretend that most of you are the average consumer. The average consumer when precedented with a plethora of choice in his carrier's store may well decide that this screen is impressive enough to put his hard-earned money towards. And if it's the one little bit that pushes the One over the top, then I am sure HTC will be quite happy with the results. They've been struggling. So kudos to them for going all out. All of us gain from the competition.
One point I will throw out there on supposed "spec-whoring":
It's far easier to explain what 1080p means to the average smartphone buyer than 640x1136.
"Same resolution as your TV at home."
Of course, customers will place several phones (including the iPhone) beside each other to compare what the screens look like, and that will probably factor in to the decisions of those who are on the fence.
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Originally Posted by Jetz
One point I will throw out there on supposed "spec-whoring":
It's far easier to explain what 1080p means to the average smartphone buyer than 640x1136.
"Same resolution as your TV at home."
Of course, customers will place several phones (including the iPhone) beside each other to compare what the screens look like, and that will probably factor in to the decisions of those who are on the fence.
I'm sorry, but if you are talking about the iPhone, you are being irrational.
This screen looks great, but what you will see there are the same "amateur" apps (compared to apps designed FOR the iPhone 5) and no screen can change that. Will someone be able to lose so much power, UI speed, app and ecosystem quality, build quality, etc for something like this so they can say "1080p"? I guess not.
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Originally Posted by Rogifan
It's a bad sign when you have your design chief giving interviews on why your phone is better than the iPhone. When's the last time Jony Ive ever did that? Why mention Apple at all? All it does is give the impression you're obsessed with Apple and your design brief was to outdo Apple in design. How about having a original design that didn't lead to comparisons with Apple? A unibody aluminum phone with chamfered edges isn't a good start.
Is that anything like the debut of iPad mini where they spent so much time comparing it to the Nexus 7?
I didn't take the global market into consideration but the fact is there are probably very few if any high end smartphones that sold extremely well overseas but not in the US.
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Originally Posted by pedromartins
I'm sorry, but if you are talking about the iPhone, you are being irrational.
This screen looks great, but what you will see there are the same "amateur" apps (compared to apps designed FOR the iPhone 5) and no screen can change that. Will someone be able to lose so much power, UI speed, app and ecosystem quality, build quality, etc for something like this so they can say "1080p"? I guess not.
The performance gap is no longer what you seem to think it is. We're not talking about Gingerbread here. And considering this phone is made from the same two materials as the iPhone, but with arguably better speakers and image sensor, I don't think this is the phone to choose to rag on build quality.
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Originally Posted by wakefinance
Is that anything like the debut of iPad mini where they spent so much time comparing it to the Nexus 7?
Yeah and I said at the time that was a mistake. It was the wrong way to introduce the mini, even if they never mentioned the Nexus 7 by name.