Apple's settlement over in-app purchasing inches closer to approval, may include 23M refunds

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  • Reply 81 of 123
    andysolandysol Posts: 2,506member
    kdarling wrote: »
    Those who cry "troll" are usually one themselves, and are just trying to cover up their ignorance.  

    <span style="line-height:1.231;">The</span>
    <a href="http://manuals.info.apple.com/en_US/ipad_2_user_guide.pdf" style="line-height:1.231;" target="_blank">iPad 2 user manual</a>
    <span style="line-height:1.231;">alone is almost 190 pages.</span>


    <span style="line-height:1.231;">Comment:  it's amazing the length that some people will go to, to defend Apple.  If nothing else, this thread has revealed to all the real adults here, just who the worst fanatics and kids are.</span>

    Pow! Dude- awesome post. This made my day (in Hawaii- it's 6:30am- and it'll still be the best thing Ill see today). Seeing the hammer laid down on people trying to call others out is very very entertaining.
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  • Reply 82 of 123
    kdarlingkdarling Posts: 1,640member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Droid View Post


    I can't believe the lengths SolipsismX went to to tear down dasanman69 for suggesting that the store had some snakes in the grass, how can it be appropriate for a childs game to have in game tokens that cost $99? Apple put this system in place & this is the results of their choices, bad actors will exploit every system. 



     


    Actually, SolipsimX was not talking about the snakes, but was only defending the common user, who dasanman69 suggested was dumb for not knowing all the settings and details of what they use.


     


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    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post



    Clearly you didn't read my posts in this thread or you're trolling. If the latter then well done.


     


    I think he just misread them.  Sometimes it's easy to do.  No need to bring up the T word.

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  • Reply 83 of 123
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    kdarling wrote: »
    I think he just misread them.  Sometimes it's easy to do.  No need to bring up the T word.

    Considering my name was pulled without any context or quoting a comment I've made which then claimed the was opposite of what I've stated in this thread I think my suspicion is warranted.
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  • Reply 84 of 123
    kdarlingkdarling Posts: 1,640member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post



    Considering my name was pulled without any context or quoting a comment I've made which then claimed the was opposite of what I've stated in this thread I think my suspicion is warranted.


     


    I think it just shows how easy it is for someone to get the wrong impression if they start reading in the middle of a thread.


     


    Seriously, you're always so suspicious.  Not everyone is out to get you.


     


    Well, okay.  Sometimes I am.  


     


    mwuuuhahaha!   :)

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  • Reply 85 of 123
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member

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    Originally Posted by jragosta View Post




    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mstone View Post



    Perhaps there should be a checkbox during the app purchase to indicate that the end user is a child thus enabling the immediate password feature otherwise the 15 minute rule is in effect. That way the parents could hand over the iPad right away to the impatient child. If the iPad had multi-user capability the parental controls could be activated like on OS X.




    Unnecessarily complex. Why create another action point and decision item for people who don't want or need it? Better to simply make the default 'immediate' and the problem is solved. If someone is knowledgeable, they can change it in just a matter of seconds.


    I don't understand how simply ignoring a check box makes something unnecessarily complex. People are encouraged to use long obscure passwords and entering them on a touch screen keyboard is what is complex which is why they created the 15 minute feature to begin with.

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  • Reply 86 of 123
    andysolandysol Posts: 2,506member
    mstone wrote: »
    I don't understand how simply ignoring a check box makes something unnecessarily complex. People are encouraged to use long obscure passwords and entering them on a touch screen keyboard is what is complex which is why they created the 15 minute feature to begin with.
    I think either would be fine. Immediate as default or the check box. No different than a checkbox when you're on a website (like this one) and it says "remember password".
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  • Reply 87 of 123
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    droid wrote: »
    The funny thing is that many countries already have consumer laws in place to protect both parties in these types of transactions. Consumers have rights to cancel contracts & return physical goods within reasonable time limits. Digital goods are increasingly being covered by similar laws, even though Apple's terms & conditions may infer otherwise, you don't sign away statutory rights by agreeing to other licenses.

    Despite peoples opinions that the parents should pay all the costs, the reality is that in many countries the law already has covered this issue & the parents have the right to cancel and to request a refund. 

    I can't believe the lengths SolipsismX went to to tear down dasanman69 for suggesting that the store had some snakes in the grass, how can it be appropriate for a childs game to have in game tokens that cost $99? Apple put this system in place & this is the results of their choices, bad actors will exploit every system. 

    As far as games go there should be a in app purchasing cap. $99 is absolutely ridiculous. Some of these games make it so hard to get 'tokens/coins' that the player almost has to buy them in order to get power ups and such. Nothing wrong with a walled garden but Apple allows the snakes in because it benefits them.
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  • Reply 88 of 123
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member


    Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post

    …the player almost has to buy them in order to get power ups and such.


     


    Charlituna made a good point in a similar thread about this: then just don't play the game.




    Voice your disapproval by refusing to pay or play.

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  • Reply 89 of 123
    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,992member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by allenbf View Post





    Can't comment there. I am sure there multiple cases involving apps in the $250 range, especially if someone were looking in the business or education sections.



    All I can say is my wife and I learned a lesson but we also were refunded the money, so I have no need of any settlement funds from Apple.


     


    Not "range", exactly $250, not roughly, around, almost, exactly.

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  • Reply 90 of 123
    hftshfts Posts: 386member
    kdarling wrote: »
    Those who cry "troll" are usually one themselves, and are just trying to cover up their ignorance.  

    <span style="line-height:1.231;">The</span>
    <a href="http://manuals.info.apple.com/en_US/ipad_2_user_guide.pdf" style="line-height:1.231;" target="_blank">iPad 2 user manual</a>
    <span style="line-height:1.231;">alone is almost 190 pages.</span>
    It's always amazing the length people take to attack Apple. You are one of them.
    By the way why do you post a pic of yourself and your partner (I assume its you)?


    <span style="line-height:1.231;">Comment:  it's amazing the length that some people will go to, to defend Apple.  If nothing else, this thread has revealed to all the real adults here, just who the worst fanatics and kids are.</span>
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  • Reply 91 of 123
    hftshfts Posts: 386member
    hill60 wrote: »
    Perhaps KDarling simply hitched a ride on your story and copied the $250 figure while embellishing and reposting it.
    You will never get an answer from these two very obvious trolls, and if you do it will be worded in such a way that it makes no logical sense. They simply hate Apple and jump at the first chance to attack. They are so sad, and have no lives.
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  • Reply 92 of 123
    hftshfts Posts: 386member
    hfts wrote: »
    No the manual is online, not a hard copy, u like others.
    You despise Apple so much, did Steve Jobs not get back to you on your job application?
    Why the hate? Why post on AI? I don't get you trolls,
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  • Reply 93 of 123
    hftshfts Posts: 386member
    hfts wrote: »
    No the manual is online, not a hard copy, u like others.
    You despise Apple so much, did Steve Jobs not get back to you on your job application?
    Why the hate? Why post on AI? I don't get you trolls,

    What a silly bugger, posted to myself and twice.
    Anyway the post is to our resident troll KDarling.
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  • Reply 94 of 123
    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,992member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post





    As far as games go there should be a in app purchasing cap. $99 is absolutely ridiculous. Some of these games make it so hard to get 'tokens/coins' that the player almost has to buy them in order to get power ups and such. Nothing wrong with a walled garden but Apple allows the snakes in because it benefits them.


     


    As far as an iTunes account goes, you can delink your credit card and replace it with an iTunes voucher of the denomination you wish to entrust to a child.


     


    Basic common sense.

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  • Reply 95 of 123
    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,992member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by hfts View Post





    No the manual is online, not a hard copy, u like others.

    You despise Apple so much, did Steve Jobs not get back to you on your job application?

    Why the hate? Why post on AI? I don't get you trolls,



    What a silly bugger, posted to myself and twice.

    Anyway the post is to our resident troll KDarling.


     


    It's also available for free via iBooks and the web version is included in the bookmarks of the default version of Safari..

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  • Reply 96 of 123
    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,992member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post





    As far as games go there should be a in app purchasing cap. $99 is absolutely ridiculous. Some of these games make it so hard to get 'tokens/coins' that the player almost has to buy them in order to get power ups and such. Nothing wrong with a walled garden but Apple allows the snakes in because it benefits them.


     


    People want to use them, just like the slots in Las Vegas.

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  • Reply 97 of 123
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    hill60 wrote: »
    As far as an iTunes account goes, you can delink your credit card and replace it with an iTunes voucher of the denomination you wish to entrust to a child.

    Basic common sense.

    Don't you know by now that very few people have basic common sense?
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  • Reply 98 of 123
    hftshfts Posts: 386member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by hill60 View Post


     


    It's also available for free via iBooks and the web version is included in the bookmarks of the default version of Safari..



    Exactly.


    If I lost my brain and purchased a samsung phone or tablet, I would be lumbered with a hard copy user's manual, as its MANDATORY to read and understand  before you even turn on one of their wonderful devices.


    On the other hand, people who know ziltch about computers and like to keep it that way, just get the iDevice with maybe a few pages of colourful glossy information and away they go, no need for a manual.


    The android/samsung/google trolls on this forum try and spin it another way. They always do, its in their blood. KDarling are you reading ?

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  • Reply 99 of 123
    hftshfts Posts: 386member


    I always wondered why KDarling has a picture of himself and a woman as part of his profile.


    Maybe to show us he is not a basement-dwelling mumy's boy.


    Although my partner is much, much better looking than his.


    And moderators please do not delete this post, if he posts pictures then I am allowed to comment.

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  • Reply 100 of 123
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    hfts wrote: »
    I always wondered why KDarling has a picture of himself and a woman as part of his profile.
    Maybe to show us ???????????????????????????????
    Although my partner ??????????????????????????
    And moderators please do not delete this post, if he posts pictures then I am allowed to comment.

    Sure, if someone posts an image you can comment on it but you also made some comments that are way out of line with your second sentence clearly being a personal attack. Why not just go after the words he's written? There is plenty on that front and going after his personal life makes it seem as if you have run of all other valid comments pertaining to the discussion at hand which means he's won the debate.
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