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It sounds like the logical and most practical solution, if you ask me. Those thieves should come on down to my local Apple store and pull that stunt. I doubt that they would last long.
What else did you have in mind?
They had non lethal weapons. They weren't looking to hurt anyone physically.
They had non lethal weapons. They weren't looking to hurt anyone physically.
What a bunch of crap.
The second somebody decides to rob a store, they are putting other people's lives on the line. The second that they entered the store, they were putting other people in jeopardy. And spraying 40 people with a strong pepper spray? What if an elderly person got sprayed and had a heart attack or something?
Yes, they should have all been killed. Your excuses for pathetic criminals and lowlifes are totally ridiculous.
The second somebody decides to rob a store, they are putting other people's lives on the line. The second that they entered the store, they were putting other people in jeopardy. And spraying 40 people with a strong pepper spray? What if an elderly person got sprayed and had a heart attack or something?
Yes, they should have all been killed. Your excuses for pathetic criminals and lowlifes are totally ridiculous.
As for your last two comments, they are totally deranged, and not even worth responding to.
Well fortunately the decision as to weather lethal force could be used, in this situation, to stop the theft of a few high tech gizmos is up to Canadians, of which a majority due not want guns in shopping malls unless in the hands of highly trained security. No one was harmed. Insurance should cover the costs. The perpetrators will get caught. The Mounties will get their man. You seem to think that blood splattered across the windows would be better, weather it was the blood of an innocent bystander or not. Imagine the security guard trying to aim with pepper spray in his eyes. Still if it happened in America and a majority of Americans agree with that approach I would say "have at er". When I visit the states I will abide by your rules and when you visit Canada your guns will be left at the border. peace.
[" url="/t/156306/bear-spray-armed-thieves-rob-vancouver-apple-store/40#post_2288268"]What a bunch of crap.
The second somebody decides to rob a store, they are putting other people's lives on the line. The second that they entered the store, they were putting other people in jeopardy. And spraying 40 people with a strong pepper spray? What if an elderly person got sprayed and had a heart attack or something?
Yes, they should have all been killed. Your excuses for pathetic criminals and lowlifes are totally ridiculous.
As for your last two comments, they are totally deranged, and not even worth responding to.
My comments are much less deranged than yours, and how many people died because of Bush's stolen election?
[" url="/t/156306/bear-spray-armed-thieves-rob-vancouver-apple-store/40#post_2288268"]What a bunch of crap.
The second somebody decides to rob a store, they are putting other people's lives on the line. The second that they entered the store, they were putting other people in jeopardy. And spraying 40 people with a strong pepper spray? What if an elderly person got sprayed and had a heart attack or something?
Yes, they should have all been killed. Your excuses for pathetic criminals and lowlifes are totally ridiculous.
As for your last two comments, they are totally deranged, and not even worth responding to.
1) As an expert in TV crime dramas I can tell you that if one kills accidentally or without intent during the commission of a felony they can be held accountable and tried for murder, at least in the US. I don't watch any Canadian crime dramas to know if they have a similar law but if there ever is a Tango & Canuck series I'll sure to record it.
2) You are very black and white in your beliefs. Dude, it comes across as crazy. You seem to want someone who steals a loaf of bread to be treated the same as a warlord who commits genocide: kill them.
You seem to want someone who steals a loaf of bread to be treated the same as a warlord who commits genocide: kill them.
Holding up an Apple store and spraying 40 people with bear strength pepper spray is hardly stealing a loaf of bread.
If you or others don't believe in self defense and will happily get sprayed by pepper spray, letting criminals do whatever they want, then be my guest.
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Holding up an Apple store and spraying 40 people with bear strength pepper spray is hardly stealing a loaf of bread.
If you or others don't believe in self defense and will happily get sprayed by pepper spray, letting criminals do whatever they want, then be my guest.
My comments are much less deranged than yours, and how many people died because of Bush's stolen election?
People died?
A stolen election?
Crazy political conspiracy theories belong in the political forum, where 9-11 truthers and other ignorant people can discuss their wacky conspiracies if they wish.
Holding up an Apple store and spraying 40 people with bear strength pepper spray is hardly stealing a loaf of bread.
If you or others don't believe in self defense and will happily get sprayed by pepper spray, letting criminals do whatever they want, then be my guest.
[" url="/t/156306/bear-spray-armed-thieves-rob-vancouver-apple-store/40#post_2288348"]
Holding up an Apple store and spraying 40 people with bear strength pepper spray is hardly stealing a loaf of bread.
If you or others don't believe in self defense and will happily get sprayed by pepper spray, letting criminals do whatever they want, then be my guest.
That's why we have law enforcement, so there's consequences to their actions. They robbed the store not the employees. Look at it this way, would you bother with someone that basically stole a few pennies from you? Because in the big picture that's what those devices amount to for Apple.
Holding up an Apple store and spraying 40 people with bear strength pepper spray is hardly stealing a loaf of bread.
If you or others don't believe in self defense and will happily get sprayed by pepper spray, letting criminals do whatever they want, then be my guest.
Self Defense is also about Limiting the Offence. Where this crime took place there were no Security Guards in the store. There were in the same mall, at the Jewelry Store, FYI. Apple could pay the extra cost to hire armed Security, if they wanted. In Canada it is not illegal to own guns but it is more difficult to obtain a gun as training on operation, safe transportation and storage and rules about where they can be used limit greatly the number of guns and the types of guns in the streets. If Apple had am armed security guard I am sure the robbers would not have just brought a pepper spray. As it is illegal to carry a gun in public unless you are Police or Trained, Certified and Registered Security you won't find any "good guys with guns" although you will find a lot of good guys. It is a different reality than what is happening in the States. You guys are in a gun debate right now I understand that. It is your States and you will decide but this in that debate, but this was a Canadian crime on Canadian soil. We have decided what is the best defense against violence and our crime rates compared to yours speak for them selves.
The second somebody decides to rob a store, they are putting other people's lives on the line. The second that they entered the store, they were putting other people in jeopardy. And spraying 40 people with a strong pepper spray? What if an elderly person got sprayed and had a heart attack or something?
Yes, they should have all been killed. Your excuses for pathetic criminals and lowlifes are totally ridiculous.
Justice never punishes people for what could have happened, always for what actually happened.
And most people are just totally misguided, that doesn't mean they deserve to die.
1) As an expert in TV crime dramas I can tell you that if one kills accidentally or without intent during the commission of a felony they can be held accountable and tried for murder, at least in the US. I don't watch any Canadian crime dramas to know if they have a similar law but if there ever is a Tango & Canuck series I'll sure to record it.
Hawaian drama : " Book 'em, Danno" !
(edit : BTW, thanks for helping me to improve my English, I was not aware of what a Bear Spray was (Bears had disapeared in France, a few of them (from Eastern Europe) have recently been introduced, but this decision is not welcomed by everybody)
(edit : BTW, thanks for helping me to improve my English, I was not aware of what a Bear Spray was (Bears had disapeared in France, a few of them (from Eastern Europe) have recently been introduced, but this decision is not welcomed by everybody)
It's more or less commonly known that "bear spray" is the only legally obtainable weapon in Vancouver, and when someone asks to buy it, they really aren't going to be using it on bears. Bears are native to BC, but they don't live inside the cities. The people that obtain it are usually the same people who would carry mace or a tazer in the US.
It's more or less commonly known that "bear spray" is the only legally obtainable weapon in Vancouver, and when someone asks to buy it, they really aren't going to be using it on bears. Bears are native to BC, but they don't live inside the cities. The people that obtain it are usually the same people who would carry mace or a tazer in the US.
It's more or less commonly known that "bear spray" is the only legally obtainable weapon in Vancouver, and when someone asks to buy it, they really aren't going to be using it on bears. Bears are native to BC, but they don't live inside the cities. The people that obtain it are usually the same people who would carry mace or a tazer in the US.
They don't live there but they do come to visit regularly
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They had non lethal weapons. They weren't looking to hurt anyone physically.
Originally Posted by dasanman69
They had non lethal weapons. They weren't looking to hurt anyone physically.
What a bunch of crap.
The second somebody decides to rob a store, they are putting other people's lives on the line. The second that they entered the store, they were putting other people in jeopardy. And spraying 40 people with a strong pepper spray? What if an elderly person got sprayed and had a heart attack or something?
Yes, they should have all been killed. Your excuses for pathetic criminals and lowlifes are totally ridiculous.
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Originally Posted by Apple ][
What a bunch of crap.
The second somebody decides to rob a store, they are putting other people's lives on the line. The second that they entered the store, they were putting other people in jeopardy. And spraying 40 people with a strong pepper spray? What if an elderly person got sprayed and had a heart attack or something?
Yes, they should have all been killed. Your excuses for pathetic criminals and lowlifes are totally ridiculous.
As for your last two comments, they are totally deranged, and not even worth responding to.
Well fortunately the decision as to weather lethal force could be used, in this situation, to stop the theft of a few high tech gizmos is up to Canadians, of which a majority due not want guns in shopping malls unless in the hands of highly trained security. No one was harmed. Insurance should cover the costs. The perpetrators will get caught. The Mounties will get their man. You seem to think that blood splattered across the windows would be better, weather it was the blood of an innocent bystander or not. Imagine the security guard trying to aim with pepper spray in his eyes. Still if it happened in America and a majority of Americans agree with that approach I would say "have at er". When I visit the states I will abide by your rules and when you visit Canada your guns will be left at the border. peace.
My comments are much less deranged than yours, and how many people died because of Bush's stolen election?
1) As an expert in TV crime dramas I can tell you that if one kills accidentally or without intent during the commission of a felony they can be held accountable and tried for murder, at least in the US. I don't watch any Canadian crime dramas to know if they have a similar law but if there ever is a Tango & Canuck series I'll sure to record it.
2) You are very black and white in your beliefs. Dude, it comes across as crazy. You seem to want someone who steals a loaf of bread to be treated the same as a warlord who commits genocide: kill them.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
You seem to want someone who steals a loaf of bread to be treated the same as a warlord who commits genocide: kill them.
Holding up an Apple store and spraying 40 people with bear strength pepper spray is hardly stealing a loaf of bread.
If you or others don't believe in self defense and will happily get sprayed by pepper spray, letting criminals do whatever they want, then be my guest.
Case in point.
Quote:
Originally Posted by dasanman69
My comments are much less deranged than yours, and how many people died because of Bush's stolen election?
People died?
A stolen election?
Crazy political conspiracy theories belong in the political forum, where 9-11 truthers and other ignorant people can discuss their wacky conspiracies if they wish.
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Originally Posted by Apple ][
What a bunch of crap.
Yes, they should have all been killed. Your excuses for pathetic criminals and lowlifes are totally ridiculous.
Who are you? Inspector Javert?
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Originally Posted by WontonParmesan
Where was batman & superman @?
Helping out the locals in the UK
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Originally Posted by Apple ][
Holding up an Apple store and spraying 40 people with bear strength pepper spray is hardly stealing a loaf of bread.
If you or others don't believe in self defense and will happily get sprayed by pepper spray, letting criminals do whatever they want, then be my guest.
Does this include cheating on your taxes?
That's why we have law enforcement, so there's consequences to their actions. They robbed the store not the employees. Look at it this way, would you bother with someone that basically stole a few pennies from you? Because in the big picture that's what those devices amount to for Apple.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Apple ][
Holding up an Apple store and spraying 40 people with bear strength pepper spray is hardly stealing a loaf of bread.
If you or others don't believe in self defense and will happily get sprayed by pepper spray, letting criminals do whatever they want, then be my guest.
Self Defense is also about Limiting the Offence. Where this crime took place there were no Security Guards in the store. There were in the same mall, at the Jewelry Store, FYI. Apple could pay the extra cost to hire armed Security, if they wanted. In Canada it is not illegal to own guns but it is more difficult to obtain a gun as training on operation, safe transportation and storage and rules about where they can be used limit greatly the number of guns and the types of guns in the streets. If Apple had am armed security guard I am sure the robbers would not have just brought a pepper spray. As it is illegal to carry a gun in public unless you are Police or Trained, Certified and Registered Security you won't find any "good guys with guns" although you will find a lot of good guys. It is a different reality than what is happening in the States. You guys are in a gun debate right now I understand that. It is your States and you will decide but this in that debate, but this was a Canadian crime on Canadian soil. We have decided what is the best defense against violence and our crime rates compared to yours speak for them selves.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Apple ][
What a bunch of crap.
The second somebody decides to rob a store, they are putting other people's lives on the line. The second that they entered the store, they were putting other people in jeopardy. And spraying 40 people with a strong pepper spray? What if an elderly person got sprayed and had a heart attack or something?
Yes, they should have all been killed. Your excuses for pathetic criminals and lowlifes are totally ridiculous.
Justice never punishes people for what could have happened, always for what actually happened.
And most people are just totally misguided, that doesn't mean they deserve to die.
Quote:
Originally Posted by SolipsismX
1) As an expert in TV crime dramas I can tell you that if one kills accidentally or without intent during the commission of a felony they can be held accountable and tried for murder, at least in the US. I don't watch any Canadian crime dramas to know if they have a similar law but if there ever is a Tango & Canuck series I'll sure to record it.
Hawaian drama : " Book 'em, Danno" !
(edit : BTW, thanks for helping me to improve my English, I was not aware of what a Bear Spray was (Bears had disapeared in France, a few of them (from Eastern Europe) have recently been introduced, but this decision is not welcomed by everybody)
It's more or less commonly known that "bear spray" is the only legally obtainable weapon in Vancouver, and when someone asks to buy it, they really aren't going to be using it on bears. Bears are native to BC, but they don't live inside the cities. The people that obtain it are usually the same people who would carry mace or a tazer in the US.
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Originally Posted by Misa
It's more or less commonly known that "bear spray" is the only legally obtainable weapon in Vancouver, and when someone asks to buy it, they really aren't going to be using it on bears. Bears are native to BC, but they don't live inside the cities. The people that obtain it are usually the same people who would carry mace or a tazer in the US.
thanks
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Originally Posted by Misa
It's more or less commonly known that "bear spray" is the only legally obtainable weapon in Vancouver, and when someone asks to buy it, they really aren't going to be using it on bears. Bears are native to BC, but they don't live inside the cities. The people that obtain it are usually the same people who would carry mace or a tazer in the US.
They don't live there but they do come to visit regularly
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTpm1KonS9Y
http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/westcoastnews/story.html?id=80fc792d-471c-48b7-869d-d3abf2f0f665