Sigh, as usual an update that only benefits the US customers. Come on, role out some local content in the UK or elsewhere for once!!!!!!
Indeed. So totally sick of hearing about all the stuff that AppleTV has when outside of the USA it has virtually nothing at all.
I find it hard to believe that with all the updates lately they haven't done anything about the hideous interface. When it isn't outright ugly, it's just tiresome.
The very least they could do is make it work like the new iTunes UI so you could at least see the content better. Right now it's like using a giant iPod from the 90's ... lists, within lists, within lists, all in f*cking text. It looks like hell.
While they are at it, they could let the Netflix UI designers (the only service you *can* get outside of the US), in on the fact that closed captioning and subtitles are not the same thing.
I would have gotten HULU Plus if they would have eliminated the adds. I think that is what the appeal should be. Paid services that eliminate adds. What a concept.
You say that, but you say that with an implication of it being the same price as it is now without the ads. Consider why they have the ads and add a reasonable monthly fee to the price of Hulu Pius to make it add free? Would you pay for it then? I think a lot of people would then say it costs too much.
And now you think you're a genius for coming up with that? That's exactly what cable was originally and it seems that it was not a very profitable idea.
It was actually plenty profitable. It only changed when the cable companies and networks obtained a monopoly.
This is why cell phone contracts cost 5 to 10 times more than they should at the moment. The carriers have a monopoly.
Monopolies are the giant flaw in Capitalism that no one ever wants to mention or do anything about.
You say that, but you say that with an implication of it being the same price as it is now without the ads. Consider why they have the ads and add a reasonable monthly fee to the price of Hulu Pius to make it add free? Would you pay for it then? I think a lot of people would then say it costs too much.
Seems to me you are criticising the poster for assuming certain things about costs by arguing your own assumptions about costs. Neither one of you really knows the actual costs and we can't ask the networks as they will obviously lie about it.
Here's my estimation:
Hulu is the most "premium" deal we have in this new digital reality and the kind of package they offer is roughly the same as one set of three "premium" TV stations offered by my local cable company. These kind of packages run about $15.00 a month in my area and are considered to be vastly overpriced.
We don't get Hulu in Canada so I have no idea what it costs, but if it costs more than 10-15 bucks a month it's clearly a rip-off IMO.
I mean all you have to do is imagine the immediate future where Hulu has lots of competing "channels" digitally available through the AppleTV. If you have to pay even ten bucks a piece you would quickly end up paying far far more than just regular old cable TV, even with a premium subscription to all the channels and several add-on packs.
These new digital channels like Hulu deal with a much higher volume of users and they deal with them directly, so a lot of that payment you make to the cable company now isn't held back in any way. Considering the increased savings to the owners and the increased volume, lower distribution costs etc. they should really be on the order of five bucks a month or less.
Seems to me you are criticising the poster for assuming certain things about costs by arguing your own assumptions about costs. Neither one of you really knows the actual costs and we can't ask the networks as they will obviously lie about it.
My comment has nothing to do with costs as Hulu is not a non-profit organization. I thought I was crystal clear on taking their profit from ads and moving it over their subscription fees to make up the difference.
I'll be damed if I will pay for Hulu plus when I already have a Direct TV account with a hard drive that will do 5 shows at once. what would be the point? Plus I can blow through ALL of the commercials and sorry companies. I do!
There's a lot of content on there not available on cable.
I think you guys in places in the UK and France need to find out why this sort of an update is "useless" (or doesn't happen) there.
Is it Apple, or is it your local content providers and ISPs?
Hulu isn't available outside of the US (except with vpn). With Apple's international sales contributing well over 50% to their revenue one would think that they would start adding interrnational functionality to the ATC.
Hulu isn't available outside of the US (except with vpn). With Apple's international sales contributing well over 50% to their revenue one would think that they would start adding interrnational functionality to the ATC.
I don't think that answers his question. Let me try this another way: What local content providers would you like to see Apple add to the Apple TV that other vendors with media appliances have added to their devices?
It was actually plenty profitable. It only changed when the cable companies and networks obtained a monopoly.
This is why cell phone contracts cost 5 to 10 times more than they should at the moment. The carriers have a monopoly.
Monopolies are the giant flaw in Capitalism that no one ever wants to mention or do anything about.
Well one of the giant flaws anyway.
I think the cable companies suck but you can't blame it all on them. The content guys (Disney/ABC, FOX, CBS) suck too because they charge a lot too. Oh yeah, the NFL, college football, NBA, MLB suck too for charging billions to carry their games. So yeah, many giant flaws. </rant>
According to Apple's support website, the 5.2.1 update adde support for Music in the in Japan and Israel, and "includes improvements for software update, subtitles, and general performance."
I may be a minority but I use my ATV for watching Netflix and Youtube. The great thing about watching youtube using the Apple TV is that you don't get all the forced Google advertising. I really resent all the advertising Google puts on youtube videos watched over the web. Really Google, the content provided to youtube is free. It doesn't cost much at all for Google to host the videos. Google is laughing all the way to the bank thanking all those people who uploaded their work for free.
I may be a minority but I use my ATV for watching Netflix and Youtube. The great thing about watching youtube using the Apple TV is that you don't get all the forced Google advertising. I really resent all the advertising Google puts on youtube videos watched over the web. Really Google, the content provided to youtube is free. It doesn't cost much at all for Google to host the videos. Google is laughing all the way to the bank thanking all those people who uploaded their work for free.
"'Sigh, as usual an update that only benefits the US customers. Come on, role out some local content in the UK or elsewhere for once!!!!!!"
Spot on M8! Even the lowly Wi has BBC iPlayer, ITV Player, and the other free UK catch up services - the iOS apps have already been written so it's just perverse not to include them. Well done Saarek for pointing this out!
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Originally Posted by saarek
Sigh, as usual an update that only benefits the US customers. Come on, role out some local content in the UK or elsewhere for once!!!!!!
Indeed. So totally sick of hearing about all the stuff that AppleTV has when outside of the USA it has virtually nothing at all.
I find it hard to believe that with all the updates lately they haven't done anything about the hideous interface. When it isn't outright ugly, it's just tiresome.
The very least they could do is make it work like the new iTunes UI so you could at least see the content better. Right now it's like using a giant iPod from the 90's ... lists, within lists, within lists, all in f*cking text. It looks like hell.
While they are at it, they could let the Netflix UI designers (the only service you *can* get outside of the US), in on the fact that closed captioning and subtitles are not the same thing.
You say that, but you say that with an implication of it being the same price as it is now without the ads. Consider why they have the ads and add a reasonable monthly fee to the price of Hulu Pius to make it add free? Would you pay for it then? I think a lot of people would then say it costs too much.
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Originally Posted by dasanman69
And now you think you're a genius for coming up with that? That's exactly what cable was originally and it seems that it was not a very profitable idea.
It was actually plenty profitable. It only changed when the cable companies and networks obtained a monopoly.
This is why cell phone contracts cost 5 to 10 times more than they should at the moment. The carriers have a monopoly.
Monopolies are the giant flaw in Capitalism that no one ever wants to mention or do anything about.
Well one of the giant flaws anyway.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
You say that, but you say that with an implication of it being the same price as it is now without the ads. Consider why they have the ads and add a reasonable monthly fee to the price of Hulu Pius to make it add free? Would you pay for it then? I think a lot of people would then say it costs too much.
Seems to me you are criticising the poster for assuming certain things about costs by arguing your own assumptions about costs. Neither one of you really knows the actual costs and we can't ask the networks as they will obviously lie about it.
Here's my estimation:
Hulu is the most "premium" deal we have in this new digital reality and the kind of package they offer is roughly the same as one set of three "premium" TV stations offered by my local cable company. These kind of packages run about $15.00 a month in my area and are considered to be vastly overpriced.
We don't get Hulu in Canada so I have no idea what it costs, but if it costs more than 10-15 bucks a month it's clearly a rip-off IMO.
I mean all you have to do is imagine the immediate future where Hulu has lots of competing "channels" digitally available through the AppleTV. If you have to pay even ten bucks a piece you would quickly end up paying far far more than just regular old cable TV, even with a premium subscription to all the channels and several add-on packs.
These new digital channels like Hulu deal with a much higher volume of users and they deal with them directly, so a lot of that payment you make to the cable company now isn't held back in any way. Considering the increased savings to the owners and the increased volume, lower distribution costs etc. they should really be on the order of five bucks a month or less.
My comment has nothing to do with costs as Hulu is not a non-profit organization. I thought I was crystal clear on taking their profit from ads and moving it over their subscription fees to make up the difference.
There's a lot of content on there not available on cable.
I think you need to brush up on the definition of monopoly, the word you're looking for is oligopoly.
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Originally Posted by oomu
Useless in France
I think you guys in places in the UK and France need to find out why this sort of an update is "useless" (or doesn't happen) there.
Is it Apple, or is it your local content providers and ISPs?
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram
I think you guys in places in the UK and France need to find out why this sort of an update is "useless" (or doesn't happen) there.
Is it Apple, or is it your local content providers and ISPs?
Hulu isn't available outside of the US (except with vpn). With Apple's international sales contributing well over 50% to their revenue one would think that they would start adding interrnational functionality to the ATC.
I don't think that answers his question. Let me try this another way: What local content providers would you like to see Apple add to the Apple TV that other vendors with media appliances have added to their devices?
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee
It was actually plenty profitable. It only changed when the cable companies and networks obtained a monopoly.
This is why cell phone contracts cost 5 to 10 times more than they should at the moment. The carriers have a monopoly.
Monopolies are the giant flaw in Capitalism that no one ever wants to mention or do anything about.
Well one of the giant flaws anyway.
I think the cable companies suck but you can't blame it all on them. The content guys (Disney/ABC, FOX, CBS) suck too because they charge a lot too. Oh yeah, the NFL, college football, NBA, MLB suck too for charging billions to carry their games. So yeah, many giant flaws. </rant>
I was hoping that the new Redbox streaming service would show up with the 5.2.1 update. Nope.
I think Xbox has the exclusive for now.
I may be a minority but I use my ATV for watching Netflix and Youtube. The great thing about watching youtube using the Apple TV is that you don't get all the forced Google advertising. I really resent all the advertising Google puts on youtube videos watched over the web. Really Google, the content provided to youtube is free. It doesn't cost much at all for Google to host the videos. Google is laughing all the way to the bank thanking all those people who uploaded their work for free.
They have to recoup that $1.65 billion somehow.
So what's the point to updating in the UK?
Spot on M8! Even the lowly Wi has BBC iPlayer, ITV Player, and the other free UK catch up services - the iOS apps have already been written so it's just perverse not to include them. Well done Saarek for pointing this out!
Of course if they simply opened an App Store this problem would disappear over night.