What a completely stupid and offensive comment. Let me guess, you are another rust belt transplant that thinks everything was better up north but you still move here by the millions to let us know. If things are so bad here with these toothless hicks why are so many of Georgia's cities rated among the best places to live and why is it among the fastest growing in population while many other states up north are flat or losing population. I am a Georgia native and have lived in other states and countries but chose to come back home because it is a fantastic state to live. I seriously doubt you have ever seen any 3 teethed people ever in your life with the exception of a movie. I agree with your premise that the iPhone is no longer premium or elite since it costs the same as Android phones, but surely you could have used a less insulting example to make your case.
If all Android and Apple fans are truly honest, we would all admit there are at least some things we are jealous of on the other platform.
I can truly honestly say -- whether you believe it or not -- that I have absolutely no jealousy for Androiders and their platform.
The only thing that seriously ticks me off is the abiding sense -- backed up by a number of court decisions -- that Android (and Samsung in particular) has blatantly knocked off Apple's IP in many areas. I think that is pretty unfair. They're very welcome to it, but should compensate Apple for the IP.
The difference is that we know we aren't coders and that we are happy with the nicely designed layout that Apple made. We don't want an open system full of viruses just because one day we might want to write an app, we don't want custom icons and animations in the background made by a 17 year old. Also, we like metal housings.
Metal housing that you cover up with a plastic case? Never got that.
Once I got rid of my iPhone 4 (in it's plastic case) and went to my Galaxy Nexus, I stopped using cases.
Once I saw what the case was doing to that nice metal casing on my first gen iPhone, I stopped using cases. I only have skins on my screen and back glass on my iPhone 4. I would at the very least do the same for the screen for any device I purchased.
I can truly honestly say -- whether you believe it or not -- that I have absolutely no jealousy for Androiders and their platform.
The only thing that seriously ticks me off is the abiding sense -- backed up by a number of court decisions -- that Android (and Samsung in particular) has blatantly knocked off Apple's IP in many areas. I think that is pretty unfair. They're very welcome to it, but should compensate Apple for the IP.
Maybe not but have you spent several weeks using an Android phone running 4.2.2 for example to be familiar enough with the platform to know whether you would like some of those features or not? Everyone finds some quirks or annoyances on their phone that they wish would change with an update. Surely you have your own wish list for iOS 7. You can still prefer iOS by a wide margin while accepting that Android might have a feature or two you wish was available on iOS.
Even Blackberry's new option to offer a dual user mode between work and personal for example is something many would find useful when you have to worry about corporate security or their predictive word that pops up on the keyboard while typing using contacts names and frequently used words to speed up typing. Every platform has a least a few good features lacking on others. I have never used a Windows phone so I can't comment on that one.
I can truly honestly say -- whether you believe it or not -- that I have absolutely no jealousy for Androiders and their platform.
The only thing that seriously ticks me off is the abiding sense -- backed up by a number of court decisions -- that Android (and Samsung in particular) has blatantly knocked off Apple's IP in many areas. I think that is pretty unfair. They're very welcome to it, but should compensate Apple for the IP.
Android really is awful. I truly can't understand why anyone who has used Android and iOS would ever choose Android. Android is such a contradictory mess of ideas if one didn't know better one might believe the system had been designed by argumentative politicians.
Bigger Screen but Smaller Icons ???
Bigger Screen but Apps that only use half the Display (aka Widgets) ???
Implement Vertical Sync, Triple Buffering and "Touch Responsiveness" then throw dodeca-core graphics processors at the problem ???
Implement features that are inconsistent ???
Implement multi-tasking then increase battery size 70% ???
......but have you spent several weeks using an Android phone running 4.2.2 for example to be familiar enough with the platform to know whether you would like some of those features or not? Everyone finds some quirks or annoyances on their phone that they wish would change......
It's a ridiculous leap to go from 'quirks and annoyances' to an assertion tha people must be 'jealous' of the other platform.
As to your question about whether I've spent "....several weeks...." with the Android platform, I'll assume that was not a serious question. (Life's too short to waste on nonsense....)
It's a ridiculous leap to go from 'quirks and annoyances' to an assertion tha people must be 'jealous' of the other platform.
As to your question about whether I've spent "....several weeks...." with the Android platform, I'll assume that was not a serious question. (Life's too short to waste on nonsense....)
So how do you know what you're missing (or not missing)? This is a serious question.
So how do you know what you're missing (or not missing)? This is a serious question.
No point arguing with zealots on either side of the fence. They are so convinced and invested in their platform that they can't even fathom that other phones might have a feature or two that they might like. Reminds me of a friend with a really ugly, dumb child with a personality to match. He is convinced she will be a super model before being appointed to the supreme court one day rather than face the reality that she will probably flip burgers and live with him for many more decades to come. Some bubbles are made out of gorilla glass I am afraid.
So how do you know what you're missing (or not missing)? This is a serious question.
Some people go through life bemoaning what they might be missing, while others go through it finding high-quality products and services that more-than-satisfyingly meet their demands.
Most of us are, of course, a blend of the two, but I know which end of the scale matters more to me. And to you.
This study shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. People buy smartphones to do exactly all those things mentioned.
I can give some insight as to why I prefer Android over iPhone. It's really simple, PRICE. I have a Nexus 4. Retail price (I never buy contract) - $349. iPhone retail price - $649. Now don't get me wrong, I have dished out $549 for a phone before, and I might do that with the HTC One. But the reality is I will never pay $649 for a phone that feature wise is similar to what I can get for $549 (and in some cases less features). iPhone just doesn't have anything that can convince me to pay an extra $100.
Another thing that I don't like is the walled garden. A lot of people think that's good, and it prevents viruses, but I'm a savvy tech guy, I know how to avoid those things, and keep myself protected, I don't need someone doing it for me. I was at the store the other day and my co-worker was going to buy an odb reader. I told him he should just get a bluetooth odb reader, and download the app. He didn't know how to do it so I searched on his iPhone in the app store. The app was NOWHERE. Really? A simple app that connects to a bluetooth device isn't allowed by Apple? There I was thinking Apple had more apps than Android, and I was sure this app was going to be there, but no. Why would I pay an extra $100 for a purposely limiting device?
I like a nice looking phone too, but I'm more price conscious consumer than a "oh it looks shiny I want it" consumer. And if you put the Nexus 4 and iPhone 5 side by side, and you break down price per feature or price per hardware, there's no comparison.
I didn't address that comment towards you but you sure seem to think the shoe fits. Stop trying to dictate what any other member can or cannot post and if you don't like what I write feel free to block me like.
Maybe you should find something a little more recent than some article nearly 2 years old? 2011? Also maybe find something not from a company whose business is selling virus scanners to protect you from this “out of control problem”?
I am sure McAfee are completely unbiased, it is not like they would make more money by causing people to be paranoid about the devices they own.
Gosh, I should clarify. I have no personal desire to be seen as 'elite'. At a personal level, it does not matter to me one whit.
However, valuation issues interest me deeply, and the demographic characteristics of a company's consumer base matters a heck of a lot there! It also matters for other things, such as ad revenue you can generate, ecosystem revenue you can generate, cross-selling possibilities, the value of customer lists, value of a lifetime customer, etc.
Your comment about consumer base is exactly why I brought up Walmart. They have a large lower income demographic. It has been raised here many times when this topic comes up that Android users are a lower income class and have a lower education. The point I was trying to make is now that most can get and Android device or an iOS device for about the same price demographic characteristics play less of a role.
Walmart, Best Buy, Target make all of these devices available to just about everyone at the same price point.
I would even go as far as saying an entry level MacBook Pro is a fairly good deal compared to Windows based ultrabooks at a higher price point. With all that being said it would be hard to argue that hardcore Apple fans do not look at themselves at elite.
What a completely stupid and offensive comment. Let me guess, you are another rust belt transplant that thinks everything was better up north but you still move here by the millions to let us know. If things are so bad here with these toothless hicks why are so many of Georgia's cities rated among the best places to live and why is it among the fastest growing in population while many other states up north are flat or losing population. I am a Georgia native and have lived in other states and countries but chose to come back home because it is a fantastic state to live. I seriously doubt you have ever seen any 3 teethed people ever in your life with the exception of a movie. I agree with your premise that the iPhone is no longer premium or elite since it costs the same as Android phones, but surely you could have used a less insulting example to make your case.
I was born and raised in NYC. I have lived in GA for over 20 years. Sadly my point was accurate.
I was born and raised in NYC. I have lived in GA for over 20 years. Sadly my point was accurate.
Like I figured, another sanctimonious rust belt transplant whinger. Your point was not accurate and pure hyperbole and would apply just as aptly at any wal-mart in any state in the country. Having been to NYC myself over a dozen times I saw far worse than toothless people using an iPhone 5. Gotta love that smell of urine, trash, and pollution you can't seem to avoid as well. I get so sick and tired of hearing some of you transplants move here by the millions because life is apparently better for you but still moan about every little thing you miss or say derogatory comments about your new home state. I say some because most transplants I have met love life down here. There is a very easy fix, stop moving down here and if it is so bad I am sure you can sell your big home home with a yard and use it as a downpayment on that million dollar 400 square foot apartment back in the big apple.
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Way to completely misread his post.
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Originally Posted by gwmac
If all Android and Apple fans are truly honest, we would all admit there are at least some things we are jealous of on the other platform.
I can truly honestly say -- whether you believe it or not -- that I have absolutely no jealousy for Androiders and their platform.
The only thing that seriously ticks me off is the abiding sense -- backed up by a number of court decisions -- that Android (and Samsung in particular) has blatantly knocked off Apple's IP in many areas. I think that is pretty unfair. They're very welcome to it, but should compensate Apple for the IP.
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Originally Posted by NexusPhan
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Originally Posted by Evilution
The difference is that we know we aren't coders and that we are happy with the nicely designed layout that Apple made. We don't want an open system full of viruses just because one day we might want to write an app, we don't want custom icons and animations in the background made by a 17 year old. Also, we like metal housings.
Metal housing that you cover up with a plastic case? Never got that.
Once I got rid of my iPhone 4 (in it's plastic case) and went to my Galaxy Nexus, I stopped using cases.
Once I saw what the case was doing to that nice metal casing on my first gen iPhone, I stopped using cases. I only have skins on my screen and back glass on my iPhone 4. I would at the very least do the same for the screen for any device I purchased.
iPhone cases are for pus...s! Problem solved.
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram
I can truly honestly say -- whether you believe it or not -- that I have absolutely no jealousy for Androiders and their platform.
The only thing that seriously ticks me off is the abiding sense -- backed up by a number of court decisions -- that Android (and Samsung in particular) has blatantly knocked off Apple's IP in many areas. I think that is pretty unfair. They're very welcome to it, but should compensate Apple for the IP.
Maybe not but have you spent several weeks using an Android phone running 4.2.2 for example to be familiar enough with the platform to know whether you would like some of those features or not? Everyone finds some quirks or annoyances on their phone that they wish would change with an update. Surely you have your own wish list for iOS 7. You can still prefer iOS by a wide margin while accepting that Android might have a feature or two you wish was available on iOS.
Even Blackberry's new option to offer a dual user mode between work and personal for example is something many would find useful when you have to worry about corporate security or their predictive word that pops up on the keyboard while typing using contacts names and frequently used words to speed up typing. Every platform has a least a few good features lacking on others. I have never used a Windows phone so I can't comment on that one.
Android really is awful. I truly can't understand why anyone who has used Android and iOS would ever choose Android. Android is such a contradictory mess of ideas if one didn't know better one might believe the system had been designed by argumentative politicians.
Bigger Screen but Smaller Icons ???
Bigger Screen but Apps that only use half the Display (aka Widgets) ???
Implement Vertical Sync, Triple Buffering and "Touch Responsiveness" then throw dodeca-core graphics processors at the problem ???
Implement features that are inconsistent ???
Implement multi-tasking then increase battery size 70% ???
etc.
etc.
etc.
It's a ridiculous leap to go from 'quirks and annoyances' to an assertion tha people must be 'jealous' of the other platform.
As to your question about whether I've spent "....several weeks...." with the Android platform, I'll assume that was not a serious question. (Life's too short to waste on nonsense....)
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram
It's a ridiculous leap to go from 'quirks and annoyances' to an assertion tha people must be 'jealous' of the other platform.
As to your question about whether I've spent "....several weeks...." with the Android platform, I'll assume that was not a serious question. (Life's too short to waste on nonsense....)
So how do you know what you're missing (or not missing)? This is a serious question.
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Originally Posted by wakefinance
So how do you know what you're missing (or not missing)? This is a serious question.
No point arguing with zealots on either side of the fence. They are so convinced and invested in their platform that they can't even fathom that other phones might have a feature or two that they might like. Reminds me of a friend with a really ugly, dumb child with a personality to match. He is convinced she will be a super model before being appointed to the supreme court one day rather than face the reality that she will probably flip burgers and live with him for many more decades to come. Some bubbles are made out of gorilla glass I am afraid.
Besides taste, the other differentiating factor is happiness!
J.D. Power confirmed it. iPhone owners are more happy and satisfied with their purchase than any other smartphone owner, by quite a bit.
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Originally Posted by wakefinance
So how do you know what you're missing (or not missing)? This is a serious question.
Some people go through life bemoaning what they might be missing, while others go through it finding high-quality products and services that more-than-satisfyingly meet their demands.
Most of us are, of course, a blend of the two, but I know which end of the scale matters more to me. And to you.
I am quite happy at my end of the scale!
I can give some insight as to why I prefer Android over iPhone. It's really simple, PRICE. I have a Nexus 4. Retail price (I never buy contract) - $349. iPhone retail price - $649. Now don't get me wrong, I have dished out $549 for a phone before, and I might do that with the HTC One. But the reality is I will never pay $649 for a phone that feature wise is similar to what I can get for $549 (and in some cases less features). iPhone just doesn't have anything that can convince me to pay an extra $100.
Another thing that I don't like is the walled garden. A lot of people think that's good, and it prevents viruses, but I'm a savvy tech guy, I know how to avoid those things, and keep myself protected, I don't need someone doing it for me. I was at the store the other day and my co-worker was going to buy an odb reader. I told him he should just get a bluetooth odb reader, and download the app. He didn't know how to do it so I searched on his iPhone in the app store. The app was NOWHERE. Really? A simple app that connects to a bluetooth device isn't allowed by Apple? There I was thinking Apple had more apps than Android, and I was sure this app was going to be there, but no. Why would I pay an extra $100 for a purposely limiting device?
I like a nice looking phone too, but I'm more price conscious consumer than a "oh it looks shiny I want it" consumer. And if you put the Nexus 4 and iPhone 5 side by side, and you break down price per feature or price per hardware, there's no comparison.
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Originally Posted by gwmac
No point arguing with zealots on either side of the fence.
Who was being a 'zealot' about what?
Stop making dumb, overwrought statements.
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram
Who was being a 'zealot' about what?
Stop making dumb, overwrought statements.
I didn't address that comment towards you but you sure seem to think the shoe fits. Stop trying to dictate what any other member can or cannot post and if you don't like what I write feel free to block me like.
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Originally Posted by SockRolid
"McAfee: Android malware problem getting worse, now most-targeted platform"
http://www.slashgear.com/mcafee-android-malware-problem-getting-worse-now-most-targeted-platform-24174009/
"Android is a malware cesspool -- and users don't care"
http://www.infoworld.com/d/mobile-technology/android-malware-cesspool-and-users-dont-care-006
Maybe you should find something a little more recent than some article nearly 2 years old? 2011? Also maybe find something not from a company whose business is selling virus scanners to protect you from this “out of control problem”?
I am sure McAfee are completely unbiased, it is not like they would make more money by causing people to be paranoid about the devices they own.
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram
Gosh, I should clarify. I have no personal desire to be seen as 'elite'. At a personal level, it does not matter to me one whit.
However, valuation issues interest me deeply, and the demographic characteristics of a company's consumer base matters a heck of a lot there! It also matters for other things, such as ad revenue you can generate, ecosystem revenue you can generate, cross-selling possibilities, the value of customer lists, value of a lifetime customer, etc.
Your comment about consumer base is exactly why I brought up Walmart. They have a large lower income demographic. It has been raised here many times when this topic comes up that Android users are a lower income class and have a lower education. The point I was trying to make is now that most can get and Android device or an iOS device for about the same price demographic characteristics play less of a role.
Walmart, Best Buy, Target make all of these devices available to just about everyone at the same price point.
I would even go as far as saying an entry level MacBook Pro is a fairly good deal compared to Windows based ultrabooks at a higher price point. With all that being said it would be hard to argue that hardcore Apple fans do not look at themselves at elite.
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Originally Posted by gwmac
What a completely stupid and offensive comment. Let me guess, you are another rust belt transplant that thinks everything was better up north but you still move here by the millions to let us know. If things are so bad here with these toothless hicks why are so many of Georgia's cities rated among the best places to live and why is it among the fastest growing in population while many other states up north are flat or losing population. I am a Georgia native and have lived in other states and countries but chose to come back home because it is a fantastic state to live. I seriously doubt you have ever seen any 3 teethed people ever in your life with the exception of a movie. I agree with your premise that the iPhone is no longer premium or elite since it costs the same as Android phones, but surely you could have used a less insulting example to make your case.
I was born and raised in NYC. I have lived in GA for over 20 years. Sadly my point was accurate.
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Originally Posted by extremeskater
I was born and raised in NYC. I have lived in GA for over 20 years. Sadly my point was accurate.
Like I figured, another sanctimonious rust belt transplant whinger. Your point was not accurate and pure hyperbole and would apply just as aptly at any wal-mart in any state in the country. Having been to NYC myself over a dozen times I saw far worse than toothless people using an iPhone 5. Gotta love that smell of urine, trash, and pollution you can't seem to avoid as well. I get so sick and tired of hearing some of you transplants move here by the millions because life is apparently better for you but still moan about every little thing you miss or say derogatory comments about your new home state. I say some because most transplants I have met love life down here. There is a very easy fix, stop moving down here and if it is so bad I am sure you can sell your big home home with a yard and use it as a downpayment on that million dollar 400 square foot apartment back in the big apple.