It's pretty hard to regulate people's lesser selves (it is their "lesser" selves after all.)
Cowasaki's post probably got far more exposure than it deserved on the merits because of all the wacky responses by people's "lesser selves." Not that this legitimizes either side. It's just that the tone of *how people respond* is mostly beyond anyone else's control. This forum does sometimes tend to be more rabid and catty than one might expect or want.
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Everyone is entitled to express their opinion, as long as it doesn't infringe on other people's rights. This includes the author of this article, as well as those who feel strong about it one way or the other.
This thread is turning into more into an indictment on Cowasaki's comment rather than discussion about the original article.
What's the point? Does anyone think they are going to change his opinion? Is the game to take turns mocking him to see who can do it best? Is the objective to drive him out? This site is called appleinsider.com, not appleworshipper.com.
Ganging up on one man's opinion, particularly when it was not that strongly against Apple, diminishes everyone involved. Return to the original article. Share your knowledge, opinion, intelligence and not your lesser selves.
But, this thread is turning into more into an indictment on Cowasaki's comment rather than discussion about the original article.
What's the point? Does anyone think they are going to change his opinion? Is the game to take turns mocking him to see who can do it best? Is the objective to drive him out?
Those who decide the world needs to hear their opinions need to be willing to return the favour...
Coincidence? Perhaps. Or, perhaps, the Apple defender league got together and said, "Our careers and life savings are invested in Apple. Cupertino is not doing much to protect us. So we have to take it upon ourselves." Probably not. But it would be interesting to ponder the possibility.
Coincidence? Perhaps. Or, perhaps, the Apple defender league got together and said, "Our careers and life savings are invested in Apple. Cupertino is not doing much to protect us. So we have to take it upon ourselves." Probably not. But it would be interesting to ponder the possibility.
I don't think Apple is going anywhere anytime soon. Perhaps it's just the pendulum swinging as far as reason and logic are concerned?
I'd think most rational people would see that the market is acting rather irrationally toward Apple, and the hate has gone too far.
The same thing happens in other areas of life. Take fantasy football. A player may be overly hyped and then have a down series of games, or a bad prior season. Suddenly, he becomes "dead" to many players who overreact, and begin to rank him far below where he should be ranked, or trade him for pennies. Rational people take a step back and realize the hate has gone to far and that the player still has value and the talent that caused the initial hype. Typically, they end up being right.
[SIZE=16px]Hey, one thing, DED, one would think you should know by now that when you paste a doc into your blog from another program using "smart quotes" that often the apostrophes all get turned into question marks, no??[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16px]I mean, it?s obvious....[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14px]FTR, Pixel is hardly getting all great reviews, has huge misses in several areas (e.g., battery life) for which it's also getting said "flak" and is fugly as sin to boot. (Whether it portends anything in the longer run, however, remains to be seen in later iterations. I'm not one to underestimate the big G, flawgically, logically, logistically or otherwise.)
[SIZE=14px]Still, as for Google+, everyone who has any Google account is automatically added as a member, so (after the abortion that was Google Buzz), a resounding cry of "we're #2!" means virtually nothing. [/SIZE][/SIZE]
[SIZE=14px]Over a 150 of my fb friends are "members," but when I go to my page, it's another digital ghost town - no posts by anyone I know, nothing I post ever getting reaction one, etc....[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14px]...The "communities" are cool if I want to talk about interesting stuff with people I'll never meet, but only so much time in the day. And I can talk about - and collaborate on - interesting stuff with people I do know on fb - or with those who are at least friends of friends.
Or come over here and tweak some'a y'all a little, though my AI comments hardly ever seem to be click bait here either unless I get stupid or florid on purpose.....[/SIZE]
Google plus is a ghost town of friends, not content. If you arrange your circle feed by categories and start circling people for tech, business, world news, etc. Google Plus won't be a ghost town, and it would actually be an excellent news feed. It's sort of a merger of blog and social network.
And I have yet to hear a reviewer recommend the Chromebook Pixel except Linus Torvald (I think that's his last name) and he only recommended it because he put Fedora on it and it looks amazing. The fact that Chromebook Pixel is being treated as what it is, an expensive device that has amazing hardware but lacks any real content is no delusion or flawgic.
The only reason DeD and almost every other Apple fan is mad is because everything Apple does wrong gets crucified and everything Google does gets treated as 'meh it's just Google it's fine'. There is no mystery to this. It's simple, if you make a product and sell it for 30-50% more than the competition, it better be flawless.
Google Fiber is a product Google is rolling out that cost wise is the cheapest out of any other company. This has even made time Warner Cable cut its prices in Kansas City. Yet by DeD's flawgic argument, Google should be criticized for the lack of available downstream bandwidth on the end host. Meaning that if you go to a website and it serves you content at 200Mbps,and you don't get the full use of the gigabit Internet, then it's Google fault.
What I know is that ever since the iPad, Apple has been set on cruise control, and the major upgrades have been "thinner" and "lighter". While Google has been set on explore mode and have taken risks that have either paid off or haven't. While Apple remains timid and not wanting to change too much, Google has been pushing out new ideas and concepts, new tools to help advance technology. Apple just hoards cash and is scared to take risks.
The only reason DeD and almost every other Apple fan is mad is because everything Apple does wrong gets crucified and everything Google does gets treated as 'meh it's just Google it's fine'.
With good reason.
It's simple, if you make a product and sell it for 30-50% more than the competition, it better be flawless.
And that's why we're mad. Apple's products are cheaper than the competition (or have none at all) and this STILL happens.
What I know is that ever since the iPad, Apple has been set on cruise control…
Which you know because you're… uh…
…and the major upgrades have been "thinner" and "lighter".
Which you 'know' because you haven't been paying attention.
While Apple remains timid and not wanting to change too much, Google has been pushing out new ideas and concepts, new tools to help advance technology. Apple just hoards cash and is scared to take risks.
Google plus is a ghost town of friends, not content. If you arrange your circle feed by categories and start circling people for tech, business, world news, etc. Google Plus won't be a ghost town, and it would actually be an excellent news feed. It's sort of a merger of blog and social network.
And I have yet to hear a reviewer recommend the Chromebook Pixel except Linus Torvald (I think that's his last name) and he only recommended it because he put Fedora on it and it looks amazing. The fact that Chromebook Pixel is being treated as what it is, an expensive device that has amazing hardware but lacks any real content is no delusion or flawgic.
The only reason DeD and almost every other Apple fan is mad is because everything Apple does wrong gets crucified and everything Google does gets treated as 'meh it's just Google it's fine'. There is no mystery to this. It's simple, if you make a product and sell it for 30-50% more than the competition, it better be flawless.
Google Fiber is a product Google is rolling out that cost wise is the cheapest out of any other company. This has even made time Warner Cable cut its prices in Kansas City. Yet by DeD's flawgic argument, Google should be criticized for the lack of available downstream bandwidth on the end host. Meaning that if you go to a website and it serves you content at 200Mbps,and you don't get the full use of the gigabit Internet, then it's Google fault.
What I know is that ever since the iPad, Apple has been set on cruise control, and the major upgrades have been "thinner" and "lighter". While Google has been set on explore mode and have taken risks that have either paid off or haven't. While Apple remains timid and not wanting to change too much, Google has been pushing out new ideas and concepts, new tools to help advance technology. Apple just hoards cash and is scared to take risks.
You make some valid points.
However, I am curious. Can you name just **one** product or service that Google has (organically or via acquisition) created since the time of iPad's release that is as successful as the iPad? And, while Google's risky expriments (glass, driverless car) may garner a lot of attention, how do you know that Apple isn't working on something equally, if not more, risky (since the company is famously quiet about what it does, unlike Google that seems to be on a PR overdrive)?
I am shocked that this seems like the first time most peeps here have read this.... it was posted up on his personal blog (and written about by fortune) ten days ago. Go figure
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I wouldn't take it too seriously.
It's pretty hard to regulate people's lesser selves (it is their "lesser" selves after all.)
Cowasaki's post probably got far more exposure than it deserved on the merits because of all the wacky responses by people's "lesser selves." Not that this legitimizes either side. It's just that the tone of *how people respond* is mostly beyond anyone else's control. This forum does sometimes tend to be more rabid and catty than one might expect or want.
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Originally Posted by stelligent
Everyone is entitled to express their opinion, as long as it doesn't infringe on other people's rights. This includes the author of this article, as well as those who feel strong about it one way or the other.
This thread is turning into more into an indictment on Cowasaki's comment rather than discussion about the original article.
What's the point? Does anyone think they are going to change his opinion? Is the game to take turns mocking him to see who can do it best? Is the objective to drive him out? This site is called appleinsider.com, not appleworshipper.com.
Ganging up on one man's opinion, particularly when it was not that strongly against Apple, diminishes everyone involved. Return to the original article. Share your knowledge, opinion, intelligence and not your lesser selves.
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Originally Posted by stelligent
But, this thread is turning into more into an indictment on Cowasaki's comment rather than discussion about the original article.
What's the point? Does anyone think they are going to change his opinion? Is the game to take turns mocking him to see who can do it best? Is the objective to drive him out?
Those who decide the world needs to hear their opinions need to be willing to return the favour...
I find it interesting that DED, Macalope and Gruber have all written long pieces to defend Apple in the month of March.
As some pointed out, DED penned the original Flawgic piece on RoughlyDrafted on March 9. Prior to that, the Macalope also wrote about Apple's reality distortion field being turned around (http://www.macworld.com/article/2029830/macalope-a-fundamental-disconnect.html). On March 1 (http://daringfireball.net/2013/03/open_and_shut) and March 15 (http://daringfireball.net/2013/03/ceding_the_crown), Gruber wrote unusually long pieces to refute the idea that Open trumped Shut and that Apple had lost the smartphone crown.
Coincidence? Perhaps. Or, perhaps, the Apple defender league got together and said, "Our careers and life savings are invested in Apple. Cupertino is not doing much to protect us. So we have to take it upon ourselves." Probably not. But it would be interesting to ponder the possibility.
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Those who decide the world needs to hear their opinions need to be willing to return the favour...
And what was achieved except to show that half the people here are jerks with knee-jerk keyboards?
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Oh well
You mean except for today... 90% of your total post count is in this thread.
We'll all be relieved when you return to your once yearly post frequency.
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As the article states....the best thing about opinions is that everyone has one.
You could of achieved the same result with a laxative.....
I think the saying goes... Opinions are like armpits - Everyone has a couple and they all stink.
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But, this thread is turning into more into an indictment on Cowasaki's comment rather than discussion about the original article.
Do you have a comment about the original article or only an indictment of the indictment of Cowosaki's comment [sic]?
Are comments about comments now forbidden?
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Do you have a comment about the original article or only an indictment of the indictment of Cowosaki's comment [sic]?
Are comments about comments about comments now forbidden?
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Are comments about comments now forbidden?
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And what was achieved except to show that half the people here are jerks with knee-jerk keyboards?
I disagree.
I've observed most people here being treated with dignity and respect when they do the same to others.
However, there are a certain number of individuals here who like to fish for reactions, and then cry foul when they get them.
Ironically, you may just be attempting to defend these individuals against the exact thing that they seek.
Let nature take its course.
"Sticks and stones, may break their bones, but words will never harm them"
Hell, they may even learn a thing or two along the way...
I was merely commenting on a comment about comments..... is that a problem?
This discussion is not just becoming derivative, but second-derivative...... ;-)
Double post.
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Originally Posted by ankleskater
I find it interesting that DED, Macalope and Gruber have all written long pieces to defend Apple in the month of March.
As some pointed out, DED penned the original Flawgic piece on RoughlyDrafted on March 9. Prior to that, the Macalope also wrote about Apple's reality distortion field being turned around (http://www.macworld.com/article/2029830/macalope-a-fundamental-disconnect.html). On March 1 (http://daringfireball.net/2013/03/open_and_shut) and March 15 (http://daringfireball.net/2013/03/ceding_the_crown), Gruber wrote unusually long pieces to refute the idea that Open trumped Shut and that Apple had lost the smartphone crown.
Coincidence? Perhaps. Or, perhaps, the Apple defender league got together and said, "Our careers and life savings are invested in Apple. Cupertino is not doing much to protect us. So we have to take it upon ourselves." Probably not. But it would be interesting to ponder the possibility.
I don't think Apple is going anywhere anytime soon. Perhaps it's just the pendulum swinging as far as reason and logic are concerned?
I'd think most rational people would see that the market is acting rather irrationally toward Apple, and the hate has gone too far.
The same thing happens in other areas of life. Take fantasy football. A player may be overly hyped and then have a down series of games, or a bad prior season. Suddenly, he becomes "dead" to many players who overreact, and begin to rank him far below where he should be ranked, or trade him for pennies. Rational people take a step back and realize the hate has gone to far and that the player still has value and the talent that caused the initial hype. Typically, they end up being right.
Google plus is a ghost town of friends, not content. If you arrange your circle feed by categories and start circling people for tech, business, world news, etc. Google Plus won't be a ghost town, and it would actually be an excellent news feed. It's sort of a merger of blog and social network.
And I have yet to hear a reviewer recommend the Chromebook Pixel except Linus Torvald (I think that's his last name) and he only recommended it because he put Fedora on it and it looks amazing. The fact that Chromebook Pixel is being treated as what it is, an expensive device that has amazing hardware but lacks any real content is no delusion or flawgic.
The only reason DeD and almost every other Apple fan is mad is because everything Apple does wrong gets crucified and everything Google does gets treated as 'meh it's just Google it's fine'. There is no mystery to this. It's simple, if you make a product and sell it for 30-50% more than the competition, it better be flawless.
Google Fiber is a product Google is rolling out that cost wise is the cheapest out of any other company. This has even made time Warner Cable cut its prices in Kansas City. Yet by DeD's flawgic argument, Google should be criticized for the lack of available downstream bandwidth on the end host. Meaning that if you go to a website and it serves you content at 200Mbps,and you don't get the full use of the gigabit Internet, then it's Google fault.
What I know is that ever since the iPad, Apple has been set on cruise control, and the major upgrades have been "thinner" and "lighter". While Google has been set on explore mode and have taken risks that have either paid off or haven't. While Apple remains timid and not wanting to change too much, Google has been pushing out new ideas and concepts, new tools to help advance technology. Apple just hoards cash and is scared to take risks.
Originally Posted by mrrodriguez
The only reason DeD and almost every other Apple fan is mad is because everything Apple does wrong gets crucified and everything Google does gets treated as 'meh it's just Google it's fine'.
With good reason.
It's simple, if you make a product and sell it for 30-50% more than the competition, it better be flawless.
And that's why we're mad. Apple's products are cheaper than the competition (or have none at all) and this STILL happens.
What I know is that ever since the iPad, Apple has been set on cruise control…
Which you know because you're… uh…
…and the major upgrades have been "thinner" and "lighter".
Which you 'know' because you haven't been paying attention.
While Apple remains timid and not wanting to change too much, Google has been pushing out new ideas and concepts, new tools to help advance technology. Apple just hoards cash and is scared to take risks.
ENJOY THAT STUPID FUD.
You make some valid points.
However, I am curious. Can you name just **one** product or service that Google has (organically or via acquisition) created since the time of iPad's release that is as successful as the iPad? And, while Google's risky expriments (glass, driverless car) may garner a lot of attention, how do you know that Apple isn't working on something equally, if not more, risky (since the company is famously quiet about what it does, unlike Google that seems to be on a PR overdrive)?
I am shocked that this seems like the first time most peeps here have read this.... it was posted up on his personal blog (and written about by fortune) ten days ago. Go figure
Google bought Android, which was already a Mobile OS, in 2005. Apple launched the iPhone in 2007.
Orkut was launched in 2004. Facebook opened itself to everyone in 2006. Nevermind MySpace and Friendster.
Good job reinventing history.
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Wow, looks like the RDF has caused reversal of time in the Author's mind.
Google bought Android, which was already a Mobile OS, in 2005. Apple launched the iPhone in 2007.
Orkut was launched in 2004. Facebook opened itself to everyone in 2006. Nevermind MySpace and Friendster.
Good job reinventing history.
LOL
Stupidity is finally a bannable offence here.
Next stop, the Real World.
(If you don't have a sense of humour, please excuse the following...)