I think I missed that in the announcement. Where did you read that Apple'spartnerFacebook now has access to all Android user data?
Because one only has to look at what permissions their Android app already requires. It's no big logical leap to see they will want access to more data with this. You're honestly telling me that Facebook isn't using this thing to mine more data?
Also, what exactly does any affiliation that Apple has with Facebook have to do with this story? Looks like nothing more than a pathetic attempt at deflection.
More fragmentation. This is both good news and horrible news for Google. Now Facebook can coop Android; displaying advertising and offering their own services.
Let's not forget to mention that Google recently tweaked the methodology for displaying the version distribution. As result, many phones with older versions are not counted which immediately increased the version distribution in favor of Android 4.2 Jelly Bean by ten percent or more.
The thing is, I don't see how this article can be logically interpreted as anything but positive for Android and negative for iOS. 100% of iOS cannot run this software, and a large percentage of Android user base can run it due to Android's openness.
Actually, even a lot of the newer versions of Android won't be able to fully run Facebook Home. It appears that it needs a custom version of Android to use some of the features that display notifications on the home screen. So even if you have a fairly new Samsung Galaxy III it won't be as simple as downloading an app and installing it. To fully support it you will have to upgrade your Android phone to run the modified version of Android. This is going to lead to even more fragmentation in the Android world.
I used to own a Motorola Cliq which ad Motoblur and included FaceBook built-in. It sounded nice at first, but quickly became just another annoying widget on my phone. It came to a point where I hardly ever used the motoblur portion of the phone. Unless you're a teeny-bopper who lives on facebook I don't see this going any further than motoblur did and that even included twitter.
The thing is, I don't see how this article can be logically interpreted as anything but positive for Android and negative for iOS. 100% of iOS cannot run this software, and a large percentage of Android user base can run it due to Android's openness.
Actually, even a lot of the newer versions of Android won't be able to fully run Facebook Home. It appears that it needs a custom version of Android to use some of the features that display notifications on the home screen. So even if you have a fairly new Samsung Galaxy III it won't be as simple as downloading an app and installing it. To fully support it you will have to upgrade your Android phone to run the modified version of Android. This is going to lead to even more fragmentation in the Android world.
So, users being directed away from Google services is positive?
Is "fragmentation" also the reason my iPhone 4 can't run Siri?
There are also a number of of apps/features that work on my phone that don't work on an iPhone 3.
iOS still has hands down better old device support than Android of any flavour, and an iPhone of any number is still more likely to run new software than any other phone.
(I think that there should be a rule that this is appended to any comments of the "my old iPhone doesn't do this or that" variety).
Also worth noting that the reason your old iPhone won't do this or that always has a hardware related reason that makes it impossible. It's not an arbitrary limiting of the device or even just because they don't have the time or the inclination to support it.
It kills me how many people complain about this stuff as if they had a valid complaint when they clearly do not. Apple promises that if you buy a device from them that you will get two full number versions of software that run on it and all the point upgrades as well. Often even though it isn't promised, you get three (and all the updates). Again, more than any Android phone ever.
The thing is, I don't see how this article can be logically interpreted as anything but positive for Android and negative for iOS. 100% of iOS cannot run this software, and a large percentage of Android user base can run it due to Android's openness.
How is it negative for iOS? One of the main strengths of iOS is that carriers and phone makers can't slap bloatware shit like this on it.
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What specific permissions did you see, and which Android device are you using?
And why did you choose that over an iPhone?
If you had taken a moment to actually read my post before rushing to click "Reply" you might have noted that I said nothing of the sort.
You made a claim, I asked for some supporting evidence. If you don't have any that's fine, you're in good company on this site. Just seemed a reasonable question at the time.
If you're among those who insist that Facebook is angel when partnering with Apple but nothing less than Satan himself when partnering with any other company, there's not much I can do for you.
Their permissions on Android want your location data, your SMS data, to read and modify your phone contacts, full network access, etc. Also, my evidence of what they are using this for is based purely on looking at Facebook's history of actions, the data they collect and their business model which is mining all the data they can get from their users as a way to push ads. To think they won't use this to obtain more data is the height of naivety.
Also, I didn't say Facebook is an angel at any point. I specifically don't use the Facebook integration with iOS and would love to be able to completely nuke the feature. Your argument is a strawman and is nothing but a pathetic deflection.
Curious which recent Android handsets aren't running Jelly Bean for legitimate (i.e performance, hardware) reasons? Seems to me the reasons are more arbitrary. Whereas with Apple it's more about what the hardware can support. I remember when I had an HTC phone trying to figure out when my handset was going to be updated with the latest version of Froyo was so frustrating. I'd contact HTC who would tell me to call AT&T. I'd call AT&T who would tell me I need to call HTC. *^%! mess.
Also worth noting that the reason your old iPhone won't do this or that always has a hardware related reason that makes it impossible. It's not an arbitrary limiting of the device or even just because they don't have the time or the inclination to support it.
What hardware limitation for not supporting Siri in iphone 4? And Siri came out less than a year after I bought the latest iphone at that time.
Good. The last thing I want is Facebook all over my home screen. Although my phones (Galaxy Nexus and Nexus 4) probably will be included.
I hope they maintain the traditional Facebook app, because I do like Facebook sometimes, when it's in its place. I'm not thrilled about the increasingly always-on social networking on device after device.
Yes, we understand that you're fond of the word "deflection" and that you know how to spell it correctly, even if you don't know what it means. Note that the first word of my sentence you're responding to there was "if"; if not, of course, that wouldn't apply to you.
On the contrary, your post here is among the very few that raises concerns about Apple choice in partnering with Facebook. I don't share the same degree of dread over Apple's choices as you do, but I respect your opinion.
With FB I haven't seen anything all that different from the sort of thing AppleInsider does: collecting eyeballs and using tracking cookies like admeld, adnxs and others to sell demographic profiles of those eyeballs. All ad-based services operate like that.
While the regulars here have no problem with AI's use of these things, when Apple's partner Facebook uses them it's considered something of a concern. I don't understand it myself, but no one requires me to so we're all happy.
Who says I don't have a problem with what they do? You're once again making things up and ascribing them to me as if I believe it. I use things like Ghostery to block all the scripts and everything else that AppleInsider tries to load because I don't like the tracking and privacy intrusion.
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In actual Apple-related news, all iOS users won't get facebook home
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In actual Apple-related news, all iOS users won't get facebook home
And nothing of value was lost.
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Originally Posted by MacRulez
I think I missed that in the announcement. Where did you read that Apple's partner Facebook now has access to all Android user data?
Because one only has to look at what permissions their Android app already requires. It's no big logical leap to see they will want access to more data with this. You're honestly telling me that Facebook isn't using this thing to mine more data?
Also, what exactly does any affiliation that Apple has with Facebook have to do with this story? Looks like nothing more than a pathetic attempt at deflection.
Let's not forget to mention that Google recently tweaked the methodology for displaying the version distribution. As result, many phones with older versions are not counted which immediately increased the version distribution in favor of Android 4.2 Jelly Bean by ten percent or more.
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Actually, even a lot of the newer versions of Android won't be able to fully run Facebook Home. It appears that it needs a custom version of Android to use some of the features that display notifications on the home screen. So even if you have a fairly new Samsung Galaxy III it won't be as simple as downloading an app and installing it. To fully support it you will have to upgrade your Android phone to run the modified version of Android. This is going to lead to even more fragmentation in the Android world.
I used to own a Motorola Cliq which ad Motoblur and included FaceBook built-in. It sounded nice at first, but quickly became just another annoying widget on my phone. It came to a point where I hardly ever used the motoblur portion of the phone. Unless you're a teeny-bopper who lives on facebook I don't see this going any further than motoblur did and that even included twitter.
So, users being directed away from Google services is positive?
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Is "fragmentation" also the reason my iPhone 4 can't run Siri?
There are also a number of of apps/features that work on my phone that don't work on an iPhone 3.
iOS still has hands down better old device support than Android of any flavour, and an iPhone of any number is still more likely to run new software than any other phone.
(I think that there should be a rule that this is appended to any comments of the "my old iPhone doesn't do this or that" variety).
Also worth noting that the reason your old iPhone won't do this or that always has a hardware related reason that makes it impossible. It's not an arbitrary limiting of the device or even just because they don't have the time or the inclination to support it.
It kills me how many people complain about this stuff as if they had a valid complaint when they clearly do not. Apple promises that if you buy a device from them that you will get two full number versions of software that run on it and all the point upgrades as well. Often even though it isn't promised, you get three (and all the updates). Again, more than any Android phone ever.
Actually HTC's Droid Incredible and Thunderbolt have done exceptionally well in that regard.
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Originally Posted by troehl
The thing is, I don't see how this article can be logically interpreted as anything but positive for Android and negative for iOS. 100% of iOS cannot run this software, and a large percentage of Android user base can run it due to Android's openness.
How is it negative for iOS? One of the main strengths of iOS is that carriers and phone makers can't slap bloatware shit like this on it.
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Originally Posted by MacRulez
What specific permissions did you see, and which Android device are you using?
And why did you choose that over an iPhone?
If you had taken a moment to actually read my post before rushing to click "Reply" you might have noted that I said nothing of the sort.
You made a claim, I asked for some supporting evidence. If you don't have any that's fine, you're in good company on this site. Just seemed a reasonable question at the time.
If you're among those who insist that Facebook is angel when partnering with Apple but nothing less than Satan himself when partnering with any other company, there's not much I can do for you.
Their permissions on Android want your location data, your SMS data, to read and modify your phone contacts, full network access, etc. Also, my evidence of what they are using this for is based purely on looking at Facebook's history of actions, the data they collect and their business model which is mining all the data they can get from their users as a way to push ads. To think they won't use this to obtain more data is the height of naivety.
Also, I didn't say Facebook is an angel at any point. I specifically don't use the Facebook integration with iOS and would love to be able to completely nuke the feature. Your argument is a strawman and is nothing but a pathetic deflection.
Curious which recent Android handsets aren't running Jelly Bean for legitimate (i.e performance, hardware) reasons? Seems to me the reasons are more arbitrary. Whereas with Apple it's more about what the hardware can support. I remember when I had an HTC phone trying to figure out when my handset was going to be updated with the latest version of Froyo was so frustrating. I'd contact HTC who would tell me to call AT&T. I'd call AT&T who would tell me I need to call HTC. *^%! mess.
What hardware limitation for not supporting Siri in iphone 4? And Siri came out less than a year after I bought the latest iphone at that time.
Honestly I don't think Siri was ready to handle the millions of existing iPhone 4 users on it's system.
Good. The last thing I want is Facebook all over my home screen. Although my phones (Galaxy Nexus and Nexus 4) probably will be included.
I hope they maintain the traditional Facebook app, because I do like Facebook sometimes, when it's in its place. I'm not thrilled about the increasingly always-on social networking on device after device.
nb. I own an iPad, so I'm not just an interloper.
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Who says I don't have a problem with what they do? You're once again making things up and ascribing them to me as if I believe it. I use things like Ghostery to block all the scripts and everything else that AppleInsider tries to load because I don't like the tracking and privacy intrusion.
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