40% of Android users wont get it until they upgrade their phones (if they want it) - and - 100% of iOS users will never see it, regardless if they want it or upgrade their phones to a newer iPhone.
100% of Android devices can't run numerous Apps I have on my iPhone because they simply don't exist on Android. If I write an iOS App and target iOS 6 I'll have around 80% of users able to run my App. Has any version of Android ever hit 80%? Maybe the very first one did but as soon as the updates rolled out it turned into a fragmented mess.
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Originally Posted by Takeiteasy
What hardware limitation for not supporting Siri in iphone 4? And Siri came out less than a year after I bought the latest iphone at that time.
The A5 chip has a sound processor in it that improves Siri voice recognition. People have hacked Siri on the iPhone 4, but they do very "carefully controlled" tests to make it seem like it works perfectly when in fact it doesn't.
Apple's decision to make Siri 4S and above has more to do with quality control. They want Siri to perform to a minimum level and the 4 doesn't live up to their expectations.
100% of Android devices can't run numerous Apps I have on my iPhone because they simply don't exist on Android. If I write an iOS App and target iOS 6 I'll have around 80% of users able to run my App. Has any version of Android ever hit 80%? Maybe the very first one did but as soon as the updates rolled out it turned into a fragmented mess.
The A5 chip has a sound processor in it that improves Siri voice recognition. People have hacked Siri on the iPhone 4, but they do very "carefully controlled" tests to make it seem like it works perfectly when in fact it doesn't.
Apple's decision to make Siri 4S and above has more to do with quality control. They want Siri to perform to a minimum level and the 4 doesn't live up to their expectations.
Siri's voice recognition takes place on a server, not on the device. Google's voice search app works on an iPhone 4 just as well as it does on a 4S doesn't it? Your argument is invalid.
Siri's voice recognition takes place on a server, not on the device. Google's voice search app works on an iPhone 4 just as well as it does on a 4S doesn't it? Your argument is invalid.
So Apple added a sound processor chip just for grins?
While much of the processing takes place on the server, the phone is also involved.
100% of Android devices can't run numerous Apps I have on my iPhone because they simply don't exist on Android. If I write an iOS App and target iOS 6 I'll have around 80% of users able to run my App. Has any version of Android ever hit 80%? Maybe the very first one did but as soon as the updates rolled out it turned into a fragmented mess.
Even more importantly, it's not hard to write an app that will run on all recent versions of iOS. It must be difficult on Android because so many apps require the latest version (which, of course, most current phones will never get).
So Apple added a sound processor chip just for grins?
While much of the processing takes place on the server, the phone is also involved.
Even more importantly, it's not hard to write an app that will run on all recent versions of iOS. It must be difficult on Android because so many apps require the latest version (which, of course, most current phones will never get).
I can't tell you why they added that chip, but I can jokingly speculate that they did it to fool people into thinking that Siri wouldn't work on the iPhone 4. Siri does all processing on the servers. You can't use it without a data connection. If Siri still worked for device specific commands, like adding calendar appointments or texting somebody, then I would say you've got a point. It doesn't though; you can't even use speech to text without a data connection.
FB just hit the wall creating this for Android. "largest" mobile OS worldwide is also the most fragmented OS. Love my iPhone, I see no reason to want this thing. checking FB once or twice a day is plenty for me. I don't need FB feed 24/7. Clearly, i'm not their target audience.
100% of Android devices can't run numerous Apps I have on my iPhone because they simply don't exist on Android. If I write an iOS App and target iOS 6 I'll have around 80% of users able to run my App. Has any version of Android ever hit 80%? Maybe the very first one did but as soon as the updates rolled out it turned into a fragmented mess.
The A5 chip has a sound processor in it that improves Siri voice recognition. People have hacked Siri on the iPhone 4, but they do very "carefully controlled" tests to make it seem like it works perfectly when in fact it doesn't.
Apple's decision to make Siri 4S and above has more to do with quality control. They want Siri to perform to a minimum level and the 4 doesn't live up to their expectations.
In regards to Siri, there are several technical reasons that Apple might not have included iPhone 4:
Faster CPU
Faster cellular - HSDPA 14.4 and HSPA+ (improves beyond HSDPA 7.2 and HSUPA 5.76)
Faster Wi-Fi
Improved baseband resulting in greater transmit and receive diversity
Apple 338S0987 B0FL1129 SGP noise processor (replaces Audience noise processor)
There are also marketing reasons that Apple may not have included Siri on iPhone 4:
Marquee feature unique to iPhone 4S and higher models
Planned obsolescence
All vendors plan for obsolescence since supporting legacy products becomes increasing challenging as new models are released.
Given that Apple has often supported complex features in older products it is likely the reasons are at least as much technical as marketing.
Is "fragmentation" also the reason my iPhone 4 can't run Siri?
There are also a number of of apps/features that work on my phone that don't work on an iPhone 3.
Who said that the iPhone 4 can't run Siri? You must be mistaking the choice to not include Siri on an extra 100 million devices simply because it can access the Siri servers. Surely you're aware that Siri was a new service, that Siri is still in Beta, and that the first weekend with only a few million devices accessing it they had access issues, so why think that Siri would somehow work better by allowing all previous Apple devices that technically can connect to the Siri servers. You've clearly not thought this through.
Siri's voice recognition takes place on a server, not on the device. Google's voice search app works on an iPhone 4 just as well as it does on a 4S doesn't it? Your argument is invalid.
Wrong. The final processing takes place on the server. The initial processing of the audio takes place on the phone. The chip is not used to convert audio into actual text - it's used to make sure the audio is of sufficient quality in the first place before it gets to the servers. Yes Siri will work on a 4, but with a lower quality audio source the chance of errors is higher.
What Google does is irrelevant since they likely use a different technology from Apple.
Wrong. The final processing takes place on the server. The initial processing of the audio takes place on the phone. The chip is not used to convert audio into actual text - it's used to make sure the audio is of sufficient quality in the first place before it gets to the servers. Yes Siri will work on a 4, but with a lower quality audio source the chance of errors is higher.
What Google does is irrelevant since they likely use a different technology from Apple.
Please cite that. I'll gladly admit I was wrong if you can prove that you're right. Otherwise the point goes to me because all evidence points to server-side processing.
do you know that about half of the iOS users can't use Siri? Isn't it worse that even without having the 'fragmentation' issue (a big issue only to Apple Fans?) iOS users can't use the Apps developed by Apple?
It's like the way that 45% of all iPhones ever sold can't use Siri.
Which is worse, millions who cannot use Siri, or millions who cannot use Facebook Home?
Neither seems like a huge tragedy.
Originally Posted by Superbass
Is "fragmentation" also the reason my iPhone 4 can't run Siri?
There are also a number of of apps/features that work on my phone that don't work on an iPhone 3.
Sigh, I will try an analogy as it seems there are people who don't understand the difference between the Android OS software fragmentation issue compared to iPhone hardware obsolescence.
Buying a brand new Android handset with Gingerbread 2.3 is like buying a brand new steam locomotive, whereas an iPhone 3GS upgraded to 6.1.3 is like a ten year old Abrams battle tank refitted with new engines, guns and armor.
The brand new steam locomotive running Gingerbread can still only run on rails and use only coal or wood for locomotion, even though it is brand new.
The Gingerbread steam engine uses old CB radio tech, so it's unable to take advantage of modern satellite communication which the diesel and electric locos use. This brand new steam locomotive can't communicate with many of the older diesel locos using the modern satellite tech.
In contrast the ten year old 3GS Abrams can go anywhere, even though the main body is ten years old, it has become more flexible and deadly because it's been fitted with the latest tracks, more efficient engine, more accurate guidance systems etc.
It has been fitted with the latest communications so it can use the same satellite links as the other current military hardware.
The 4S and 5 tank uses a new vehicle frame and twin engines in order to cope with the much heavier Siri antiballistic missile system, a system too heavy for an Abrams to carry.
Nevertheless the 3GS, 4, 4S and 5 tanks all share the same iOS 6 modifications, so they all benefit from having the latest common modules which are freely interchangeable between the tanks.
In regards to Siri, there are several technical reasons that Apple might not have included iPhone 4:
Faster CPU
Faster cellular - HSDPA 14.4 and HSPA+ (improves beyond HSDPA 7.2 and HSUPA 5.76)
Faster Wi-Fi
Improved baseband resulting in greater transmit and receive diversity
Apple 338S0987 B0FL1129 SGP noise processor (replaces Audience noise processor)
There are also marketing reasons that Apple may not have included Siri on iPhone 4:
Marquee feature unique to iPhone 4S and higher models
Planned obsolescence
All vendors plan for obsolescence since supporting legacy products becomes increasing challenging as new models are released.
Given that Apple has often supported complex features in older products it is likely the reasons are at least as much technical as marketing.
People seem to be forgetting that Siri wasn't an internally-developed technology. Apple bought a company that already had an app on the app store (which ran on the iPhone 3G).
The reasons for Siri being limited to newer phones are purely business-related.
Wrong. The final processing takes place on the server. The initial processing of the audio takes place on the phone. The chip is not used to convert audio into actual text - it's used to make sure the audio is of sufficient quality in the first place before it gets to the servers. Yes Siri will work on a 4, but with a lower quality audio source the chance of errors is higher.
Correct. As you said, it would still work, though.
The iPhone 4 had a separate Audience speech processor.
The iPhone 4S built the second generation Audience processor into its SoC.
The iPhone 5 did the same, but it's apparently not being used, perhaps due to a patent fight.
The primary reason for Apple requiring the second generation processor was reportedly because of its ability to filter speech when the device was held far away from the mouth.
With the iPhone 5, Apple has apparently switched to its own preprocessor built by Cirrus, and using multiple microphones for noise canceling. No one knows if Siri uses it or not.
What Google does is irrelevant since they likely use a different technology from Apple.
True, but it's another data point proving that special hardware isn't necessary to do voice recognition.
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40% of Android users wont get it until they upgrade their phones (if they want it) - and - 100% of iOS users will never see it, regardless if they want it or upgrade their phones to a newer iPhone.
yeah, the stupidity of this argument is amazing.
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Originally Posted by MacRulez
100% of iOS won't get FB Home either.
100% of Android devices can't run numerous Apps I have on my iPhone because they simply don't exist on Android. If I write an iOS App and target iOS 6 I'll have around 80% of users able to run my App. Has any version of Android ever hit 80%? Maybe the very first one did but as soon as the updates rolled out it turned into a fragmented mess.
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Originally Posted by Takeiteasy
What hardware limitation for not supporting Siri in iphone 4? And Siri came out less than a year after I bought the latest iphone at that time.
The A5 chip has a sound processor in it that improves Siri voice recognition. People have hacked Siri on the iPhone 4, but they do very "carefully controlled" tests to make it seem like it works perfectly when in fact it doesn't.
Apple's decision to make Siri 4S and above has more to do with quality control. They want Siri to perform to a minimum level and the 4 doesn't live up to their expectations.
No Facebook Home?! This is a bad thing?
1. It doesn't.
2. You know you didn't come here for "Apple news."
Siri's voice recognition takes place on a server, not on the device. Google's voice search app works on an iPhone 4 just as well as it does on a 4S doesn't it? Your argument is invalid.
So Apple added a sound processor chip just for grins?
While much of the processing takes place on the server, the phone is also involved.
Even more importantly, it's not hard to write an app that will run on all recent versions of iOS. It must be difficult on Android because so many apps require the latest version (which, of course, most current phones will never get).
I can't tell you why they added that chip, but I can jokingly speculate that they did it to fool people into thinking that Siri wouldn't work on the iPhone 4. Siri does all processing on the servers. You can't use it without a data connection. If Siri still worked for device specific commands, like adding calendar appointments or texting somebody, then I would say you've got a point. It doesn't though; you can't even use speech to text without a data connection.
In regards to Siri, there are several technical reasons that Apple might not have included iPhone 4:
There are also marketing reasons that Apple may not have included Siri on iPhone 4:
All vendors plan for obsolescence since supporting legacy products becomes increasing challenging as new models are released.
Given that Apple has often supported complex features in older products it is likely the reasons are at least as much technical as marketing.
Originally Posted by Takeiteasy
What hardware limitation for not supporting Siri in iphone 4? And Siri came out less than a year after I bought the latest iphone at that time.
The ir sensor so that the iPhone knows it's next to your face when you're not making a phone call:
Siri raise-to-speak feature uses modified iPhone 4S proximity sensor
Who said that the iPhone 4 can't run Siri? You must be mistaking the choice to not include Siri on an extra 100 million devices simply because it can access the Siri servers. Surely you're aware that Siri was a new service, that Siri is still in Beta, and that the first weekend with only a few million devices accessing it they had access issues, so why think that Siri would somehow work better by allowing all previous Apple devices that technically can connect to the Siri servers. You've clearly not thought this through.
What Google does is irrelevant since they likely use a different technology from Apple.
Please cite that. I'll gladly admit I was wrong if you can prove that you're right. Otherwise the point goes to me because all evidence points to server-side processing.
Originally Posted by KDarling
It's like the way that 45% of all iPhones ever sold can't use Siri.
Which is worse, millions who cannot use Siri, or millions who cannot use Facebook Home?
Neither seems like a huge tragedy.
Originally Posted by Superbass
Is "fragmentation" also the reason my iPhone 4 can't run Siri?
There are also a number of of apps/features that work on my phone that don't work on an iPhone 3.
Sigh, I will try an analogy as it seems there are people who don't understand the difference between the Android OS software fragmentation issue compared to iPhone hardware obsolescence.
Buying a brand new Android handset with Gingerbread 2.3 is like buying a brand new steam locomotive, whereas an iPhone 3GS upgraded to 6.1.3 is like a ten year old Abrams battle tank refitted with new engines, guns and armor.
The brand new steam locomotive running Gingerbread can still only run on rails and use only coal or wood for locomotion, even though it is brand new.
The Gingerbread steam engine uses old CB radio tech, so it's unable to take advantage of modern satellite communication which the diesel and electric locos use. This brand new steam locomotive can't communicate with many of the older diesel locos using the modern satellite tech.
In contrast the ten year old 3GS Abrams can go anywhere, even though the main body is ten years old, it has become more flexible and deadly because it's been fitted with the latest tracks, more efficient engine, more accurate guidance systems etc.
It has been fitted with the latest communications so it can use the same satellite links as the other current military hardware.
The 4S and 5 tank uses a new vehicle frame and twin engines in order to cope with the much heavier Siri antiballistic missile system, a system too heavy for an Abrams to carry.
Nevertheless the 3GS, 4, 4S and 5 tanks all share the same iOS 6 modifications, so they all benefit from having the latest common modules which are freely interchangeable between the tanks.
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Originally Posted by MacBook Pro
In regards to Siri, there are several technical reasons that Apple might not have included iPhone 4:
Faster CPU
Faster cellular - HSDPA 14.4 and HSPA+ (improves beyond HSDPA 7.2 and HSUPA 5.76)
Faster Wi-Fi
Improved baseband resulting in greater transmit and receive diversity
Apple 338S0987 B0FL1129 SGP noise processor (replaces Audience noise processor)
There are also marketing reasons that Apple may not have included Siri on iPhone 4:
Marquee feature unique to iPhone 4S and higher models
Planned obsolescence
All vendors plan for obsolescence since supporting legacy products becomes increasing challenging as new models are released.
Given that Apple has often supported complex features in older products it is likely the reasons are at least as much technical as marketing.
People seem to be forgetting that Siri wasn't an internally-developed technology. Apple bought a company that already had an app on the app store (which ran on the iPhone 3G).
The reasons for Siri being limited to newer phones are purely business-related.
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Originally Posted by EricTheHalfBee
Wrong. The final processing takes place on the server. The initial processing of the audio takes place on the phone. The chip is not used to convert audio into actual text - it's used to make sure the audio is of sufficient quality in the first place before it gets to the servers. Yes Siri will work on a 4, but with a lower quality audio source the chance of errors is higher.
Correct. As you said, it would still work, though.
The iPhone 4 had a separate Audience speech processor.
The iPhone 4S built the second generation Audience processor into its SoC.
The iPhone 5 did the same, but it's apparently not being used, perhaps due to a patent fight.
The primary reason for Apple requiring the second generation processor was reportedly because of its ability to filter speech when the device was held far away from the mouth.
With the iPhone 5, Apple has apparently switched to its own preprocessor built by Cirrus, and using multiple microphones for noise canceling. No one knows if Siri uses it or not.
What Google does is irrelevant since they likely use a different technology from Apple.
True, but it's another data point proving that special hardware isn't necessary to do voice recognition.