Apple's 'flypaper-like' ecosystem viewed as an undervalued asset

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  • Reply 41 of 72
    sockrolidsockrolid Posts: 2,789member


    Originally Posted by KDarling View Post


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    (*) Nicely ignoring the fact that Apple was okay with some screen trade-offs for the first iPad mini model.



     


    There was no previous iPad mini, so therefore there were no tradeoffs.


    But a Retina iPad mini with shorter battery life, or vastly larger battery, or vastly higher price tag?


    There are your tradeoffs.

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  • Reply 42 of 72
    aderutteraderutter Posts: 640member
    I don't understand why anyone needs or wants a bigger iPhone. The iPhone is primarily a mobile phone. It needs to fit in my pocket. I think these bigger phones look cheap and nasty and their users look like village idiots. When I want a bigger screen for browsing etc. I use an iPad.
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  • Reply 43 of 72
    igrivigriv Posts: 1,177member

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    Originally Posted by 512ke View Post



    I don't understand as a typical ignorant consumer what is the big deal about making a iPhone with a bigger screen. The iPhone 5 already stretched the 4's screen vertically. Just stretch it now also horizontally. Why is this so hard? Answer: it's not. Apple just doesn't want to do it.


     


    No, Apple has a programming model which makes it difficult, so for this to happen, they have to change the programming model first, which means at least a six month lead time from WWDC....

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  • Reply 44 of 72
    igrivigriv Posts: 1,177member

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    Originally Posted by aderutter View Post



    I don't understand why anyone needs or wants a bigger iPhone. The iPhone is primarily a mobile phone. It needs to fit in my pocket. I think these bigger phones look cheap and nasty and their users look like village idiots. When I want a bigger screen for browsing etc. I use an iPad.


     


    Go to your local mobile store, and check out either the Lumia 920 or the HTC One, and tell me if these look cheap and nasty.

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  • Reply 45 of 72
    igrivigriv Posts: 1,177member

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    Originally Posted by Sumergo View Post


    I agree with SpamSandwich.


     



    • The latest iPhone size seems good to me - both "on the hand and at the ear".


    • An iPad mini with phone capabilities is a middle ground for those who want more screen size & telecoms.


    • Full iPad and telecoms (with speakerphone for conference capabilities).


     


    We surely don't need an excessive variety of screen sizes ranging from the usable to the bizarre do we?  How about:



    • One your wife can actually hold in her hand.


    • One which can sit on your lap, and,


    • Something in between for those who are still unsure.


     


    There's enough waste already without producing every "0.01" screen size variation that everyone might conceivable desire.

     



     


    Actually, outside the iPhone world, 4.8" at 1920x1080 res seems to be the emerging industry standard.

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  • Reply 46 of 72
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member


    Originally Posted by 512ke View Post

    I don't understand as a typical ignorant consumer what is the big deal about making a iPhone with a bigger screen. The iPhone 5 already stretched the 4's screen vertically. Just stretch it now also horizontally. Why is this so hard? Answer: it's not. Apple just doesn't want to do it.


     


    That's right. Apple doesn't want to make a piece of absolutely worthless crap, usable by no one.





    Originally Posted by Applehawk View Post

    I don't know why they have to be so secretive on everything though.


     


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_effect

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  • Reply 47 of 72
    igrivigriv Posts: 1,177member

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    Originally Posted by SpamSandwich View Post



    Best idea might be to integrate iPhone functionality into the iPad mini. Boom! Instant giant phone.


    Can't you just get skype for the iPad, and Boom!?

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  • Reply 48 of 72

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    Originally Posted by igriv View Post


     


    Go to your local mobile store, and check out either the Lumia 920 or the HTC One, and tell me if these look cheap and nasty.



    Lumia? Yes.


     


    One? The OS does.

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  • Reply 49 of 72

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    Originally Posted by igriv View Post


     


    Actually, outside the iPhone world, 4.8" at 1920x1080 res seems to be the emerging industry standard.



    Yup, that's why you can do the Math abouth a 13" retina MBP's screen on a tiny 5" iPhone.


    And the equivalent 15" retina on a 9.7 iPad, while the iPad Mini goes for the 9.7 retina pixel count.

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  • Reply 50 of 72
    igrivigriv Posts: 1,177member

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    Originally Posted by pedromartins View Post


    Lumia? Yes.


     


    One? The OS does.



     


    You say that because neither device is an iPhone? To each his own.

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  • Reply 51 of 72
    v5vv5v Posts: 1,357member

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    Originally Posted by aderutter View Post



    I don't understand why anyone needs or wants a bigger iPhone. The iPhone is primarily a mobile phone. It needs to fit in my pocket. I think these bigger phones look cheap and nasty and their users look like village idiots. When I want a bigger screen for browsing etc. I use an iPad.


     


    Lemme see if I have this straight -- you don't want a bigger phone because it has to fit in your pocket, so for browsing you take along an iPad. Now you have TWO devices to carry around, one of them being large. How is that better? Personally I'd MUCH rather have just one, larger device that serves both purposes.


     


    I agree with you and others who have opined that an iPad mini is too large to be a convenient phone replacement. I would prefer something sized in between the current iPhone and the iPad mini. HOWEVER (and this is how it came up in the first place), it adding a new screen size is not an option for some reason, I would rather have a voice-capable iPad mini than the present size iPhone.

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  • Reply 52 of 72
    v5vv5v Posts: 1,357member

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    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post


    That's right. Apple doesn't want to make a piece of absolutely worthless crap, usable by no one.



     


    Your implication being that making the iPhone screen wider would result in "[...] a piece of absolutely worthless crap, usable by no one," a position I vehemently contest. I submit that if what you say is true, the iPad must be a piece of absolutely worthless crap, usable by no one, because it employs a less-rectangular/more-square aspect ratio.


     


    The only argument I can see in defence of a tall, narrow screen is being able to reach corner-to-corner with a thumb while holding it in one hand. Given that the taller screen already makes that almost impossible for many, that argument is weakening. It's also an issue of priorities: which matters more, being able to reach the "Inbox" button with your thumb, or being able to read the contents of a web page? To me, the former ranks as utter fluff compared to the latter. You will also note from the comments on this forum that many people already use two hands to operate their iPhone -- maybe as many as those who use just one -- obviating any reason for keeping the screen skinny.


     


    Further, making the iPhone wider could improve development efforts by giving it the same aspect ratio as the iPad, reducing the amount of redesign required to make an app work on both.


     


    In a perfect world Apple would recognize that one size does not fit all when it comes to phones any more than with computers. Then you could have your little rectangle and I could have my big square(-ish).

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  • Reply 53 of 72
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member


    Originally Posted by v5v View Post


    The only argument I can see in defence of a tall, narrow screen is being able to reach corner-to-corner with a thumb while holding it in one hand.



     


    The ability to continue to use a product in a manner that has generally defined its use for the last 130 years, you mean.





    Further, making the iPhone wider could improve development efforts by giving it the same aspect ratio as the iPad, reducing the amount of redesign required to make an app work on both.



     


    LG makes a 4:3 phone. Roughly half the screen is out of people's reach.

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  • Reply 54 of 72
    kdarlingkdarling Posts: 1,640member

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    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post


    The ability to continue to use a product in a manner that has generally defined its use for the last 130 years, you mean.



     


    One-handed usage?


     



     


    Besides, smartphones aren't just a phone.  They're an all-in-one phone / internet viewer / game machine / video player / interactive whatchamacallit.   Voice calls are a tiny part of its purpose these days.

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  • Reply 55 of 72
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member


    Originally Posted by KDarling View Post

    One-handed usage?




     


    I fail to see how that model of phone requires two hands. She's holding it by choice, not by necessity.

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  • Reply 56 of 72
    kdarlingkdarling Posts: 1,640member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post


    I fail to see how that model of phone requires two hands. She's holding it by choice, not by necessity.



     


    Actually, it looks like she's doing the old common method of using one hand to jiggle the hook to get the local operator's attention, while listening for her response at the same time from the receiver in her other hand.   Also, it would require two hands if she wanted to carry the phone around the room while talking.


     


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    As for the topic of smartphones, I don't know of any, even large ones, that cannot be used one-handed as a phone, which is the century of one-handed usage that you're talking about.


     


    Even smaller phones like Apple's are not perfect for one-hand.  For instance, multi-touch gestures usually require more than one hand.  Ever try to unzoom a map on iOS with one hand?  It's very difficult, because double-tap only unzooms part way and sometimes not at all.   Android map apps often include both pinch-zoom and +/- zoom buttons.


     


    Speaking of buttons... of course the ultimate one-handed phones are those that rely only on cursor controls, like most older models, or Blackberrys.   No need to reach anywhere across the screen!

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  • Reply 57 of 72
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member


    Originally Posted by KDarling View Post

    Also, it would require two hands if she wanted to carry the phone around the room while talking.


     


    You didn't carry those around. image

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  • Reply 58 of 72
    v5vv5v Posts: 1,357member

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    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post


    The ability to continue to use a product in a manner that has generally defined its use for the last 130 years, you mean.



     


    Seriously? You want to compare operating the touchscreen of a portable computer to the century-old method of holding a telephone? We may not have enough common ground to warrant further discussion.

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  • Reply 59 of 72
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member


    Originally Posted by v5v View Post

    You want to compare operating the touchscreen of a portable computer to the century-old method of holding a telephone?


     


    Nope. I want to compare using a phone and using a phone.

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  • Reply 60 of 72
    v5vv5v Posts: 1,357member

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    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post


    LG makes a 4:3 phone. Roughly half the screen is out of people's reach.



     


    Only to an amputee:


     


     


      


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     Mature asian business man holdinh a cell phone. 


     


     


    Which part of these various screens are people unable to reach? I don't get it.

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