No one on Earth has ever carried anything at any time for any reason under any circumstance, nor have they performed any other physical task of any sort while talking on the telephone. Since its invention, every telephone call ever made on every telephone by every human being has been devoted the full, unequivocated attention of said humans for the duration of the entire call.
Since that's the case, there has never been any reason for any human to need to use a telephone with a single hand before, during, or after the call. Particularly during, as no phone has the ability to use its other features while on a call, but which is, of course, irrelevant, as one's full attention has always been devoted to said call anyway.
No one on Earth has ever carried anything at any time for any reason under any circumstance, nor have they performed any other physical task of any sort while talking on the telephone. Since its invention, every telephone call ever made on every telephone by every human being has been devoted the full, unequivocated attention of said humans for the duration of the entire call.
Since that's the case, there has never been any reason for any human to need to use a telephone with a single hand before, during, or after the call. Particularly during, as no phone has the ability to use its other features while on a call, but which is, of course, irrelevant, as one's full attention has always been devoted to said call anyway.
Every single phone made (including the Note 2) can be held with one hand while making a call, and almost all can be held with NO hands through the magic of BlueTooth, so what IS your point? That it is hard to play Angry Birds while driving? Yes, I see, that is a problem...
Perhaps I can't remember, but I don't recall being able to dial a number with one hand on that LG I tried out. It was a 5" (or close to) 4:3 screen…
I challenge that statement for more than that phone, though.
Well, I can't speak for the LG, but on the HTC One (which is 4.8" 16:9, so a little smaller) there is no problem dialing, plus the number pad fits into the bottom third of the screen (I assume that is a common android feature). SImilarly, the Nokia Lumia 920 is a 4.5" 4:3 device, and there is no problem whatever dialing numbers with one's thumb. In addition, there is voice dialing (on android, I don't think Windows phone has it). As many have pointed out, the modern smartphone is mostly used for things other than voice calls, and I find things like reading kindle books a huge pain on the iPhone (the screen is too small), and quite effortless on the HTC, surfing the web is a much superior experience on the bigger screen as well. In fact, I cannot think of anything which is better on the smaller display, and both phones (the HTC and the iPhone) fit into my pants pocket (at the same time...) without any problem.
The log cabin I'm living in now had a party line candlestick when my wife first moved in almost forty years ago. She had a long cord and walked around with it all the time.
Have you never seen a B&W movie where the actor grabbed up the phone to talk? Heck, it was such a common action that 1920s Hallmark cards drew it that way with kids:
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
I challenge that statement for more than that phone, though.
The Samsung Note phablet even comes with a special one-handed mode for those who want it:
I'm not sure how it's POSSIBLE to get your point. Your position is that a personal computer should have its form factor determined by a conventional telephone. Aside from being akin to basing automotive design on a horse and buggy, and not recognizing how such a form adversely affects some of the device's other functions, it completely ignores the fact that the telephone itself has taken dozens of forms over the years -- some large, some small, some wide, some narrow, some single-handed, some REQUIRING TWO HANDS TO OPERATE -- making it impossible to identify exactly what you're trying to point to as a benchmark.
On another subject, it's REALLY hard to remain respectful you when you belittle anyone who doesn't agree with you, especially when you're not even making sense.
Perhaps I can't remember, but I don't recall being able to dial a number with one hand on that LG I tried out.
So? You couldn't dial standard pre-cordless desktop phones with one hande either. So what? Who even DOES that? Look at the pictures I posted -- all those people using their phones with TWO hands!
Your position is that a personal computer should have its form factor determined by a conventional telephone.
Right. Because the iPhone would be so much better if it had an iMac foot on the back¡ Or maybe if it was a square like the Mac Mini¡ Or maybe if it just had a standard 120 computer plug coming out the back into which you could plug an AC power cable¡ What if it had a laptop keyboard and a hinge?¡
Or, maybe, because it IS A TELEPHONE, and because that's reflected RIGHT IN THE NAME OF THE PRODUCT, it should be able to be used as one.
On another subject, it's REALLY hard to remain respectful you when you belittle anyone who doesn't agree with you, especially when you're not even making sense.
You'll claim it's just more belittling, but pay attention to what I'm saying and it'll make sense. What telephone before Android required two hands to use?
Originally Posted by v5v
You couldn't dial standard pre-cordless desktop phones with one hande either.
KDarling will be along soon to tell you you're out of your experience zone.
[...]What if it had a laptop keyboard and a hinge?¡
Funny you should use that example. I've been looking into ways I could scale up an iPod to allow lightning-fast access to specific tracks. The OS X version of iTunes, combined with a conventional, full-size keyboard, work very well for that.
I'd then also like it to be small enough to be an iPod replacement, for watching movies and listening to music on the train. I don't actually have an iPod though, I have an iPhone, so whatever replaces it would have to be cellular data and voice capable.
My wife and I would also like a cellular enabled computer for use in the field, but the flat form of the iPad is less desirable than a standard laptop layout for our application.
Based on all that, it appears what I want is an 11" MacBook Air but with cellular. So yeah, I actually WOULD like a laptop keyboard and a hinge! Call it the MacBook AirPhone!
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Or, maybe, because it IS A TELEPHONE, and because that's reflected RIGHT IN THE NAME OF THE PRODUCT, it should be able to be used as one.
Fair point and I don't disagree. Where I disagree is with your assertion that a larger screen means it CAN'T be used as a telephone.
I do not accept the argument that one must be able to hold the device in one hand and dial with a thumb in order for it to be used as a telephone. That's never been a requirement of telephone before, is only just barely possible now, is not the way many people use their device anyway, ignores the fact that the device performs many other functions besides being a telephone and a small screen limits their usefulness, and fails to recognize alternative dialling methods that are much more convenient anyway, such as Favourites and voice control.
I do not agree that the goals of improved viewing and convenient calling are mutually exclusive.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
You'll claim it's just more belittling, but pay attention to what I'm saying and it'll make sense.
Phrases like "That's obvious" are clearly not intended to enlighten or persuade, they're just insults.
I respect your choices and preferences, as different from my own as they may be, but your often-demeaning tack and smugly dismissive comments tend to shift focus away from what might otherwise be perfectly cogent arguments. I'd enjoy the forum more if you tried harder to play nice.
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Originally Posted by v5v
Only to an amputee:
No one on Earth has ever carried anything at any time for any reason under any circumstance, nor have they performed any other physical task of any sort while talking on the telephone. Since its invention, every telephone call ever made on every telephone by every human being has been devoted the full, unequivocated attention of said humans for the duration of the entire call.
Since that's the case, there has never been any reason for any human to need to use a telephone with a single hand before, during, or after the call. Particularly during, as no phone has the ability to use its other features while on a call, but which is, of course, irrelevant, as one's full attention has always been devoted to said call anyway.
I don't get it.
That's obvious.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
No one on Earth has ever carried anything at any time for any reason under any circumstance, nor have they performed any other physical task of any sort while talking on the telephone. Since its invention, every telephone call ever made on every telephone by every human being has been devoted the full, unequivocated attention of said humans for the duration of the entire call.
Since that's the case, there has never been any reason for any human to need to use a telephone with a single hand before, during, or after the call. Particularly during, as no phone has the ability to use its other features while on a call, but which is, of course, irrelevant, as one's full attention has always been devoted to said call anyway.
That's obvious.
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Originally Posted by igriv
Every single phone made (including the Note 2) can be held with one hand while making a call…
Perhaps I can't remember, but I don't recall being able to dial a number with one hand on that LG I tried out. It was a 5" (or close to) 4:3 screen…
I challenge that statement for more than that phone, though.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Perhaps I can't remember, but I don't recall being able to dial a number with one hand on that LG I tried out. It was a 5" (or close to) 4:3 screen…
I challenge that statement for more than that phone, though.
Well, I can't speak for the LG, but on the HTC One (which is 4.8" 16:9, so a little smaller) there is no problem dialing, plus the number pad fits into the bottom third of the screen (I assume that is a common android feature). SImilarly, the Nokia Lumia 920 is a 4.5" 4:3 device, and there is no problem whatever dialing numbers with one's thumb. In addition, there is voice dialing (on android, I don't think Windows phone has it). As many have pointed out, the modern smartphone is mostly used for things other than voice calls, and I find things like reading kindle books a huge pain on the iPhone (the screen is too small), and quite effortless on the HTC, surfing the web is a much superior experience on the bigger screen as well. In fact, I cannot think of anything which is better on the smaller display, and both phones (the HTC and the iPhone) fit into my pants pocket (at the same time...) without any problem.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
You didn't carry those around.
You are way outside of your experience zone.
The log cabin I'm living in now had a party line candlestick when my wife first moved in almost forty years ago. She had a long cord and walked around with it all the time.
Have you never seen a B&W movie where the actor grabbed up the phone to talk? Heck, it was such a common action that 1920s Hallmark cards drew it that way with kids:
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
I challenge that statement for more than that phone, though.
The Samsung Note phablet even comes with a special one-handed mode for those who want it:
You see that as some brilliant solution to a problem that shouldn't exist in the first place.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
You see that as some brilliant solution to a problem that shouldn't exist in the first place.
A phablet is clearly not targeted at one-handed usage.
So no, I don't see it as a "problem" in the first place. I see adding the mode as a nicety for those who might desire it.
Originally Posted by KDarling
A phablet is clearly not targeted at one-handed usage.
And they think they can get away with that by "not calling it a phone".
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
I don't get it.
That's obvious.
I'm not sure how it's POSSIBLE to get your point. Your position is that a personal computer should have its form factor determined by a conventional telephone. Aside from being akin to basing automotive design on a horse and buggy, and not recognizing how such a form adversely affects some of the device's other functions, it completely ignores the fact that the telephone itself has taken dozens of forms over the years -- some large, some small, some wide, some narrow, some single-handed, some REQUIRING TWO HANDS TO OPERATE -- making it impossible to identify exactly what you're trying to point to as a benchmark.
On another subject, it's REALLY hard to remain respectful you when you belittle anyone who doesn't agree with you, especially when you're not even making sense.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Perhaps I can't remember, but I don't recall being able to dial a number with one hand on that LG I tried out.
So? You couldn't dial standard pre-cordless desktop phones with one hande either. So what? Who even DOES that? Look at the pictures I posted -- all those people using their phones with TWO hands!
If one-handed use is such a big deal, get a Krzr.
Originally Posted by v5v
Your position is that a personal computer should have its form factor determined by a conventional telephone.
Right. Because the iPhone would be so much better if it had an iMac foot on the back¡ Or maybe if it was a square like the Mac Mini¡ Or maybe if it just had a standard 120 computer plug coming out the back into which you could plug an AC power cable¡ What if it had a laptop keyboard and a hinge?¡
Or, maybe, because it IS A TELEPHONE, and because that's reflected RIGHT IN THE NAME OF THE PRODUCT, it should be able to be used as one.
On another subject, it's REALLY hard to remain respectful you when you belittle anyone who doesn't agree with you, especially when you're not even making sense.
You'll claim it's just more belittling, but pay attention to what I'm saying and it'll make sense. What telephone before Android required two hands to use?
Originally Posted by v5v
You couldn't dial standard pre-cordless desktop phones with one hande either.
KDarling will be along soon to tell you you're out of your experience zone.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
[...]What if it had a laptop keyboard and a hinge?¡
Funny you should use that example. I've been looking into ways I could scale up an iPod to allow lightning-fast access to specific tracks. The OS X version of iTunes, combined with a conventional, full-size keyboard, work very well for that.
I'd then also like it to be small enough to be an iPod replacement, for watching movies and listening to music on the train. I don't actually have an iPod though, I have an iPhone, so whatever replaces it would have to be cellular data and voice capable.
My wife and I would also like a cellular enabled computer for use in the field, but the flat form of the iPad is less desirable than a standard laptop layout for our application.
Based on all that, it appears what I want is an 11" MacBook Air but with cellular. So yeah, I actually WOULD like a laptop keyboard and a hinge! Call it the MacBook AirPhone!
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Or, maybe, because it IS A TELEPHONE, and because that's reflected RIGHT IN THE NAME OF THE PRODUCT, it should be able to be used as one.
Fair point and I don't disagree. Where I disagree is with your assertion that a larger screen means it CAN'T be used as a telephone.
I do not accept the argument that one must be able to hold the device in one hand and dial with a thumb in order for it to be used as a telephone. That's never been a requirement of telephone before, is only just barely possible now, is not the way many people use their device anyway, ignores the fact that the device performs many other functions besides being a telephone and a small screen limits their usefulness, and fails to recognize alternative dialling methods that are much more convenient anyway, such as Favourites and voice control.
I do not agree that the goals of improved viewing and convenient calling are mutually exclusive.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
You'll claim it's just more belittling, but pay attention to what I'm saying and it'll make sense.
Phrases like "That's obvious" are clearly not intended to enlighten or persuade, they're just insults.
I respect your choices and preferences, as different from my own as they may be, but your often-demeaning tack and smugly dismissive comments tend to shift focus away from what might otherwise be perfectly cogent arguments. I'd enjoy the forum more if you tried harder to play nice.