I'm excited about this! Thinner and lighter Macbooks will be even more impressive. My MBP isn't retina so I don't even get to enjoy the current size of the rMBP but I know what a difference there already is and imagine that the difference will be even greater by the time I upgrade.
Why doesn't Intel stick to Processors and leave AMD and Nvidia stick to Graphics... now people will have to pay more for having something they won't even use because most likely we'll put better gpu cards in them anyways. And AMD is now starting to make tablets while Nvdia is still the most overpriced GPU vendor out there.
All of these companies suck. AMD sucking the least. Nvidia the most.
Why doesn't Intel stick to Processors and leave AMD and Nvidia stick to Graphics...
And while we're at it, let's leave networking to dedicated 3COM cards, and let's bring back the dedicated clock chip, and serial interface boards. Come on, things have always been getting more integrated. There is every reason to put good graphics on board the CPU die. Yes, Intel has lagged badly in graphics performance, but they're catching up. These are the first GPUs to really rival discrete chips.
And while we're at it, let's leave networking to dedicated 3COM cards, and let's bring back the dedicated clock chip, and serial interface boards. Come on, things have always been getting more integrated. There is every reason to put good graphics on board the CPU die. Yes, Intel has lagged badly in graphics performance, but they're catching up. These are the first GPUs to really rival discrete chips.
Intel has not been lagging since the HD graphics 2000, and I mean this ever-so-tongue-in-cheek way. The 2000 part is equal to garbage onboard offerings by nVidia and AMD. The 4000 part is roughly equal to GeForce 9700M GTS/Radeon HD 7520G which is an onboard low-end part.
The HD4000 on that list is still only 1/3rd the power of a mid-level video card, and 1/10th the power of a high-but-not-SLI configuration card. If the HD5000 or Iris part really is 10x the previous generation card, then it should easily be equivalent of a Radeon 78xx or GTX 470. I some how doubt Intel's marketing is going to deliver on this.
I think they could have picked a more masculine name though. This is just setting things up for NVidia. Iris is a girl's name (and a flower). GeForce / Radeon / Titan / FirePro are slightly more symbolic of raw unadulterated power. I just hope Intel's roadmap doesn't have Daisy and Dandelion in it. Their GT3 name gives a better impression of the performance.
What? Of all the stupid things someone could say, someone complains it's not a manly enough name? Get real. It's thinking like that which gives us such crappy PC computers labeled as boy-toys.
What? Of all the stupid things someone could say, someone complains it's not a manly enough name? Get real. It's thinking like that which gives us such crappy PC computers labeled as boy-toys.
I think they could have picked a more masculine name though. This is just setting things up for NVidia. Iris is a girl's name (and a flower). GeForce / Radeon / Titan / FirePro are slightly more symbolic of raw unadulterated power. I just hope Intel's roadmap doesn't have Daisy and Dandelion in it. Their GT3 name gives a better impression of the performance.
Ye gods! It's bad enough that manufacturers give things with engines and guns on/in them aimed at men names like "Marauder", "Thrust", "Intimidator", "Vanquish" and similar violent associations without you encouraging them even more. It just perpetuates the whole "man - strong, powerful, active", "woman - pretty, passive, domestic" lie that's been distorting human relations for far too long already.
Take shower gel - a mixture of petroleum byproducts plus perfume - and market them at women. They look like this and sound like this "A shower gel that cleanses your skin with mildness and sheathes your body in the ultra-feminine, sensual scent of SO ELIXIR."
Take shower gel - a mixture of petroleum byproducts plus perfume - and market them at men. They look like this and sound like this "Lynx Cool Metal Fine Quartz + Zinc Shower Gel keeps you mentally and physically prepared for any situation – so you don’t waste any time worrying about staying cool."
I bet I know which combination of petroleum byproducts you have in your bathroom ...
And I expect the Intel chip name is related to the Iris of the eye, in the same way that Apple chose Aperture for the eye/camera associations. I mean they're not going to name it after a girly flower are they as it could affront their ma(i)n customer demographic!
I think they could have picked a more masculine name though. This is just setting things up for NVidia. Iris is a girl's name (and a flower). GeForce / Radeon / Titan / FirePro are slightly more symbolic of raw unadulterated power. I just hope Intel's roadmap doesn't have Daisy and Dandelion in it. Their GT3 name gives a better impression of the performance.
More masculine name? Are you like 13 years old, with this "Iris is for girls, ewww" reaction and all?
Besides, Iris is from the human iris (of the eye). It's similar to the "Retina" name.
And a bad-ass Silicon Graphics workstation back in the day was called Iris.
I don't care what's integrated vs. separate, or even about specs and benchmarks... just show me real world frames-per-second tests in actual apps. If sufficient speed is there, I'll be happy no matter what logo is on the chip.
Why? Frames per second is only relevant for games and a few very heavy duty apps. People using those apps are probably going to use the MBP with discrete graphics, anyway.
Raw computational power is still relevant for video editing and similar tasks.
Tallest Skil
KiltedGreen
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Quit gumming up the thread with this nonsense, please. You want to talk about it, do it in PoliticalOutsider.
Oh look, several pages of discussing the next OS X brand name. This is no different.
IMO macho branding has no effect on me, and doesn't make much sense for computer technology anyway. You'll sell more comically oversized pickup trucks with cock-themed names and features (power stroke diesel, Hummer), but that's worlds apart from the demographics of your average graphics card enthusiast.
I think they could have picked a more masculine name though. This is just setting things up for NVidia. Iris is a girl's name (and a flower). GeForce / Radeon / Titan / FirePro are slightly more symbolic of raw unadulterated power. I just hope Intel's roadmap doesn't have Daisy and Dandelion in it. Their GT3 name gives a better impression of the performance.
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Originally Posted by KiltedGreen
Ye gods! It's bad enough that manufacturers give things with engines and guns on/in them aimed at men names like "Marauder", "Thrust", "Intimidator", "Vanquish" and similar violent associations without you encouraging them even more. It just perpetuates the whole "man - strong, powerful, active", "woman - pretty, passive, domestic" lie that's been distorting human relations for far too long already.
Take shower gel - a mixture of petroleum byproducts plus perfume - and market them at women. They look like this and sound like this "A shower gel that cleanses your skin with mildness and sheathes your body in the ultra-feminine, sensual scent of SO ELIXIR."
Take shower gel - a mixture of petroleum byproducts plus perfume - and market them at men. They look like this and sound like this "Lynx Cool Metal Fine Quartz + Zinc Shower Gel keeps you mentally and physically prepared for any situation – so you don’t waste any time worrying about staying cool."
I bet I know which combination of petroleum byproducts you have in your bathroom ...
And I expect the Intel chip name is related to the Iris of the eye, in the same way that Apple chose Aperture for the eye/camera associations. I mean they're not going to name it after a girly flower are they as it could affront their ma(i)n customer demographic!
A chart comparing a number of Android phones to condom names.....
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All of these companies suck. AMD sucking the least. Nvidia the most.
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Originally Posted by darkdefender
Why doesn't Intel stick to Processors and leave AMD and Nvidia stick to Graphics...
And while we're at it, let's leave networking to dedicated 3COM cards, and let's bring back the dedicated clock chip, and serial interface boards. Come on, things have always been getting more integrated. There is every reason to put good graphics on board the CPU die. Yes, Intel has lagged badly in graphics performance, but they're catching up. These are the first GPUs to really rival discrete chips.
I know, it was really very funny.
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Originally Posted by Marvin
I think they could have picked a more masculine name though
Raw Metal or FireStorm...
or Hank.
Welp, the 680mx in the current imac is better that the gpu in the current mac pro.
Perhaps if Intel put a data point or two as to how it compares to ATI or Nvidia GPU's of say, 1 or 2 years ago.
Intel has not been lagging since the HD graphics 2000, and I mean this ever-so-tongue-in-cheek way. The 2000 part is equal to garbage onboard offerings by nVidia and AMD. The 4000 part is roughly equal to GeForce 9700M GTS/Radeon HD 7520G which is an onboard low-end part.
http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/common_gpus.html
The HD4000 on that list is still only 1/3rd the power of a mid-level video card, and 1/10th the power of a high-but-not-SLI configuration card. If the HD5000 or Iris part really is 10x the previous generation card, then it should easily be equivalent of a Radeon 78xx or GTX 470. I some how doubt Intel's marketing is going to deliver on this.
What? Of all the stupid things someone could say, someone complains it's not a manly enough name? Get real. It's thinking like that which gives us such crappy PC computers labeled as boy-toys.
Its the drivers that matters. Good things is Drivers Development is on Apple's Court, Bad things is Apple doesn't tend to care about gaming as much.
Originally Posted by Misa
What? Of all the stupid things someone could say, someone complains it's not a manly enough name? Get real. It's thinking like that which gives us such crappy PC computers labeled as boy-toys.
What's more imposing: Firebird or Minnow? Midas or Susan? Bordeaux or Mr. Coffee?
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Originally Posted by Marvin
I think they could have picked a more masculine name though. This is just setting things up for NVidia. Iris is a girl's name (and a flower). GeForce / Radeon / Titan / FirePro are slightly more symbolic of raw unadulterated power. I just hope Intel's roadmap doesn't have Daisy and Dandelion in it. Their GT3 name gives a better impression of the performance.
Ye gods! It's bad enough that manufacturers give things with engines and guns on/in them aimed at men names like "Marauder", "Thrust", "Intimidator", "Vanquish" and similar violent associations without you encouraging them even more. It just perpetuates the whole "man - strong, powerful, active", "woman - pretty, passive, domestic" lie that's been distorting human relations for far too long already.
Take shower gel - a mixture of petroleum byproducts plus perfume - and market them at women. They look like this and sound like this "A shower gel that cleanses your skin with mildness and sheathes your body in the ultra-feminine, sensual scent of SO ELIXIR."
Take shower gel - a mixture of petroleum byproducts plus perfume - and market them at men. They look like this and sound like this "Lynx Cool Metal Fine Quartz + Zinc Shower Gel keeps you mentally and physically prepared for any situation – so you don’t waste any time worrying about staying cool."
I bet I know which combination of petroleum byproducts you have in your bathroom ...
And I expect the Intel chip name is related to the Iris of the eye, in the same way that Apple chose Aperture for the eye/camera associations. I mean they're not going to name it after a girly flower are they as it could affront their ma(i)n customer demographic!
Originally Posted by KiltedGreen
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Quit gumming up the thread with this nonsense, please. You want to talk about it, do it in PoliticalOutsider.
More masculine name? Are you like 13 years old, with this "Iris is for girls, ewww" reaction and all?
Besides, Iris is from the human iris (of the eye). It's similar to the "Retina" name.
And a bad-ass Silicon Graphics workstation back in the day was called Iris.
jragosta
nagromme
I don't care what's integrated vs. separate, or even about specs and benchmarks... just show me real world frames-per-second tests in actual apps. If sufficient speed is there, I'll be happy no matter what logo is on the chip.
Why? Frames per second is only relevant for games and a few very heavy duty apps. People using those apps are probably going to use the MBP with discrete graphics, anyway.
Raw computational power is still relevant for video editing and similar tasks.
Tallest Skil
KiltedGreen
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Quit gumming up the thread with this nonsense, please. You want to talk about it, do it in PoliticalOutsider.
Oh look, several pages of discussing the next OS X brand name. This is no different.
IMO macho branding has no effect on me, and doesn't make much sense for computer technology anyway. You'll sell more comically oversized pickup trucks with cock-themed names and features (power stroke diesel, Hummer), but that's worlds apart from the demographics of your average graphics card enthusiast.
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Originally Posted by Marvin
I think they could have picked a more masculine name though. This is just setting things up for NVidia. Iris is a girl's name (and a flower). GeForce / Radeon / Titan / FirePro are slightly more symbolic of raw unadulterated power. I just hope Intel's roadmap doesn't have Daisy and Dandelion in it. Their GT3 name gives a better impression of the performance.
Quote:
Originally Posted by KiltedGreen
Ye gods! It's bad enough that manufacturers give things with engines and guns on/in them aimed at men names like "Marauder", "Thrust", "Intimidator", "Vanquish" and similar violent associations without you encouraging them even more. It just perpetuates the whole "man - strong, powerful, active", "woman - pretty, passive, domestic" lie that's been distorting human relations for far too long already.
Take shower gel - a mixture of petroleum byproducts plus perfume - and market them at women. They look like this and sound like this "A shower gel that cleanses your skin with mildness and sheathes your body in the ultra-feminine, sensual scent of SO ELIXIR."
Take shower gel - a mixture of petroleum byproducts plus perfume - and market them at men. They look like this and sound like this "Lynx Cool Metal Fine Quartz + Zinc Shower Gel keeps you mentally and physically prepared for any situation – so you don’t waste any time worrying about staying cool."
I bet I know which combination of petroleum byproducts you have in your bathroom ...
And I expect the Intel chip name is related to the Iris of the eye, in the same way that Apple chose Aperture for the eye/camera associations. I mean they're not going to name it after a girly flower are they as it could affront their ma(i)n customer demographic!
A chart comparing a number of Android phones to condom names.....
http://techcrunch.com/2012/03/26/condom-or-android-handset-name/