That is closer to what the article should've been talking about:
What are the most popular screen sizes in the price range that Apple would want to fit in, especially to gain sales outside of the US, where Android dominates?
I.e. Apple probably doesn't want to sell in the very low price ranges. Most people think they'd be after the $300-$400 market. So what screen size dominates there? That's what should be researched.
Why?
Apple is already selling the number one smartphone, worldwide.
That is closer to what the article should've been talking about:
What are the most popular screen sizes in the price range that Apple would want to fit in, especially to gain sales outside of the US, where Android dominates?
I.e. Apple probably doesn't want to sell in the very low price ranges. Most people think they'd be after the $300-$400 market. So what screen size dominates there? That's what should be researched.
That is exactly correct. A survey showing what percentage of large phones are bought by Android owners in the same general price range as the iPhone would be a far more valuable metric. Once you remove all the sub $400 people out of the equation who live in the third world or are just poor and live in developed countries I would be very surprised if larger phones ( let's say 4.3" or larger) didn't occupy a far larger portion of the Android market for that segment.
What an odd question. What Apple knows doesn't matter, since they're not going to tell us Everything discussed here is obviously for our own entertainment and benefit.
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Originally Posted by nagromme
Or to put it more simply: phones smaller than the iPhone outsell phones larger than the iPhone.
First, I presume you meant smartphones. Second, did you mean 3.5 "or 4.0" iPhone screen? (Half of iPhone sales are each size.)
Size sales ratio is a topic that no one has satisfactorily answered yet. However, I'm not sure that a claim, that more are sold that are smaller than a 3.5" iPhone, would pan out.
Specs for even fairly cheap phones have changed radically in the past year.
According to a recent price range chart (see below), the overwhelming majority of sales are above $200. At $150, many have at least a 3.5" screen. By ~$220, we begin to see 4" or larger screens.
What we need is a reporter who actually will take the time to look up all models of all prices, then correlate their estimated sales with the above chart, and see what screen sizes actually show up where.
What an odd question. What Apple knows doesn't matter....
Regardless of what you think, since Apple is the one that needs to make the decision to introduce such a phone, you can bet it matters.
So, I'll repeat the question: do you (seriously) think they wouldn't know? (I notice that, predictably, you almost never provide a straight answer to a question).
I don't get how describing sizes in this way is even slightly helpful (or tells us anything).
A "small" appears to be 2" to 3.5", whereas a "normal" appears to be 3" to 5", but a "large" is 4" to 7"? How does that work? If it's a 4.5" phone is it a "normal" or a "large"? How does one decide which category to put a device in if it falls into one of the overlapping areas?
The overlapping definitions create confusion at the exact point where most of the devices actually fall on the scale. Mostphones cluster around the 4.5"-5" area and mosttablets cluster around the 7"-8" area.
If one can simply pick and choose which category these phones and tablets go into because of the overlapping definitions, then all the information here is pure BS.
Normal IMO is 4" small is 3.5", very big difference between a 4" & 5" phone
When mixed in with Samsung's claims of the number of Galaxy S models sold, they do.
Yes samsung is paying to make millions of Galaxy S phones just to say they sold them. What are you thinking!!! No company does anything like that. Samsung makes phones and sells most of them. If they said 40 million shipped you do know that at least 90% of them are sold. Why else would they bother to spend the money to make 40 million phones. Bragging about sells is not worth that much as you can see no company that is struggling is bragging about sells. You don't see Blackberry touting they shipped 30 million z10s just to say it.
Yes samsung is paying to make millions of Galaxy S phones just to say they sold them. What are you thinking!!! No company does anything like that. Samsung makes phones and sells most of them. If they said 40 million shipped you do know that at least 90% of them are sold. Why else would they bother to spend the money to make 40 million phones. Bragging about sells is not worth that much as you can see no company that is struggling is bragging about sells. You don't see Blackberry touting they shipped 30 million z10s just to say it.
Have you ever noticed how when you walk into a bookstore -- OK, that might be a bit retro for our younger viewers, but hang with me -- and you see an entire floor-to-cieling display of some new book? There's also a table near the cash-out with tons of this same book. But no matter how many times you go in there to get a latte and read for free, the number of books never seems to change? You ask the nice lady at cash-out if it's selling, and she says, "Not really. A few here, a few there."
One day you open the NYT and see it's the #1 "Best Seller." It's sort of like that.
Look at Amazon and the Kindle Fire. They sell it at a loss, hoping for backdoor profits through their ecosystem.
Now, I don't know what Samsung does or doesn't do with their numbers. But they certainly aren't making anywhere near the amount of profits that Apple makes from the iPhone. So, if they are "selling" more than Apple worldwide then there are two possibilities:
1) They really are selling these units to consumers, but they have a very small (almost non-existent) margin.
2) They aren't really selling them at all, but their shipment numbers are very high compared to their sales numbers.
If I'm wrong, and you can think of a third way to explain this situation, I'd be more than happy to hear it. Thanks.
Regardless of what you think, since Apple is the one that needs to make the decision to introduce such a phone, you can bet it matters.
So, I'll repeat the question: do you (seriously) think they wouldn't know? (I notice that, predictably, you almost never provide a straight answer to a question).
Of course it matters to Apple, but I can't speak for what Apple actually knows or doesn't know. I don't think they have magic powers. I'm sure they have to guesstimate some info just like everyone else.
Why don't you just say, that YOU believe that Apple knows what the most popular screen sizes are in every price range.
Which brings up the interesting question as to how you think they know that info. Do they use IDC figures? Other analysts? Factory spies? Supplier inside info? Store exit polls in every country? In other words, what info do you think they'd have that others do not have. Seriously. Thanks!
Yes samsung is paying to make millions of Galaxy S phones just to say they sold them. What are you thinking!!! No company does anything like that. Samsung makes phones and sells most of them. If they said 40 million shipped you do know that at least 90% of them are sold. Why else would they bother to spend the money to make 40 million phones. Bragging about sells is not worth that much as you can see no company that is struggling is bragging about sells. You don't see Blackberry touting they shipped 30 million z10s just to say it.
That is not many of the one billion that Schmidt claims to have been sold.
What are all the Android users doing if they're not downloading apps on Google Play or browsing the web (web usage data)?
Just using their phone and SMS? Then why not buy a dumb phone? Or is it that the browsing and app offerings are so sucky that people don't do it as much as on iPhone?
That is not many of the one billion that Schmidt claims to have been sold.
"One billion" is six to nine months from now, and includes every Android device activated since 2008. We need recent trends instead.
IDC says that out of 216 million smartphones sold last quarter, there were 70 million Samsung, 37 million Apple, 10 million LG, 10 million Huawei, 9 million ZTE, 79 million "other".
Earlier this year, Morgan Stanley put out this history and estimate of Samsung high end sales:
It estimates for the past quarter (1Q13e) that there would be 24 million Galaxies of all types sold.
Using those numbers, 24/70 = 34% of Samsung smartphone sales were large (4"-5") screened phones.
It's the weekend and I'm going outside. If someone has differing figures, please post them. Thanks!
What are all the Android users doing if they're not downloading apps on Google Play or browsing the web (web usage data)?
Actually, when they leave out tablets, ad reports say that PHONE web usage is the same.
E.g. "While third-party and our own observations have pegged smartphone Web traffic share as a near-tie, Apple has a decided advantage in the tablet market, ..." - Chitika
This critical little fact has been left out of most fansite articles.
Moreover, the stats that lean towards iOS come from North America alone. Get outside of NA, and the stats lean towards Android, as would be expected.
The upshot is, while the groups do use their smartphones for slightly different purposes (IIRC, Android users tend towards social apps, while iOS users tend towards games -- this seems to be age related), but there's no huge (or inexplicable) difference going on.
Yes samsung is paying to make millions of Galaxy S phones just to say they sold them. What are you thinking!!! No company does anything like that. Samsung makes phones and sells most of them. If they said 40 million shipped you do know that at least 90% of them are sold. Why else would they bother to spend the money to make 40 million phones. Bragging about sells is not worth that much as you can see no company that is struggling is bragging about sells. You don't see Blackberry touting they shipped 30 million z10s just to say it.
BOGO sales and free Sammy with furniture or new car.
<span style="line-height:1.231;">Actually, when they leave out tablets, ad reports say that PHONE web usage is the same.</span>
E.g. "<span style="color:rgb(72,72,72);font-family:'Open Sans', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:14.44444465637207px;line-height:20.98958396911621px;">While third-party and our own observations have pegged smartphone Web traffic share as a near-tie, Apple has a decided advantage in the tablet market, ..." - Chitika</span>
This critical little fact has been left out of most fansite articles.
Moreover, the stats that lean towards iOS come from North America alone. Get outside of NA, and the stats lean towards Android, as would be expected.
The upshot is, while the groups do use their smartphones for slightly different purposes (IIRC, Android users tend towards social apps, while iOS users tend towards games -- this seems to be age related), but there's no huge (or inexplicable) difference going on.
Whe that may be true, doesn't android dominate with phone market share. You would think it'll dominate with web share too.
That is not many of the one billion that Schmidt claims to have been sold.
You didn't bother to actually read what he said did you, even after I told you that's not what was said. Don't let facts get in the way of some good stories Hill.
.... I can't speak for what Apple actually knows or doesn't know. I don't think they have magic powers. I'm sure they have to guesstimate some info .....
Nah.... it's called marketing research. Most firms do it (and although Apple claims not to, that's not believable).
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Originally Posted by KDarling
Most people think they'd be after the $300-$400 market. So what screen size dominates there? That's what should be researched.
Um... you think Apple wouldn't know this?
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Originally Posted by KDarling
That is closer to what the article should've been talking about:
What are the most popular screen sizes in the price range that Apple would want to fit in, especially to gain sales outside of the US, where Android dominates?
I.e. Apple probably doesn't want to sell in the very low price ranges. Most people think they'd be after the $300-$400 market. So what screen size dominates there? That's what should be researched.
Why?
Apple is already selling the number one smartphone, worldwide.
Quote:
Originally Posted by KDarling
That is closer to what the article should've been talking about:
What are the most popular screen sizes in the price range that Apple would want to fit in, especially to gain sales outside of the US, where Android dominates?
I.e. Apple probably doesn't want to sell in the very low price ranges. Most people think they'd be after the $300-$400 market. So what screen size dominates there? That's what should be researched.
That is exactly correct. A survey showing what percentage of large phones are bought by Android owners in the same general price range as the iPhone would be a far more valuable metric. Once you remove all the sub $400 people out of the equation who live in the third world or are just poor and live in developed countries I would be very surprised if larger phones ( let's say 4.3" or larger) didn't occupy a far larger portion of the Android market for that segment.
Post removed. I misread the post to which I was replying. Nothing to see here. Move along.
Or to put it more simply: phones smaller than the iPhone outsell phones larger than the iPhone.
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram
Um... you think Apple wouldn't know this?
What an odd question. What Apple knows doesn't matter, since they're not going to tell us
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Originally Posted by nagromme
Or to put it more simply: phones smaller than the iPhone outsell phones larger than the iPhone.
First, I presume you meant smartphones. Second, did you mean 3.5 "or 4.0" iPhone screen? (Half of iPhone sales are each size.)
Size sales ratio is a topic that no one has satisfactorily answered yet. However, I'm not sure that a claim, that more are sold that are smaller than a 3.5" iPhone, would pan out.
Specs for even fairly cheap phones have changed radically in the past year.
According to a recent price range chart (see below), the overwhelming majority of sales are above $200. At $150, many have at least a 3.5" screen. By ~$220, we begin to see 4" or larger screens.
What we need is a reporter who actually will take the time to look up all models of all prices, then correlate their estimated sales with the above chart, and see what screen sizes actually show up where.
So this settles it. Apple should continue to make only phones with tiny screens.
Actually, Apple is selling the number one, number two and number three smartphones, worldwide.
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Originally Posted by KDarling
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram
Um... you think Apple wouldn't know this?
What an odd question. What Apple knows doesn't matter....
Regardless of what you think, since Apple is the one that needs to make the decision to introduce such a phone, you can bet it matters.
So, I'll repeat the question: do you (seriously) think they wouldn't know? (I notice that, predictably, you almost never provide a straight answer to a question).
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Originally Posted by hill60
When mixed in with Samsung's claims of the number of Galaxy S models sold, they do.
Yes samsung is paying to make millions of Galaxy S phones just to say they sold them. What are you thinking!!! No company does anything like that. Samsung makes phones and sells most of them. If they said 40 million shipped you do know that at least 90% of them are sold. Why else would they bother to spend the money to make 40 million phones. Bragging about sells is not worth that much as you can see no company that is struggling is bragging about sells. You don't see Blackberry touting they shipped 30 million z10s just to say it.
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Originally Posted by Apple v. Samsung
Yes samsung is paying to make millions of Galaxy S phones just to say they sold them. What are you thinking!!! No company does anything like that. Samsung makes phones and sells most of them. If they said 40 million shipped you do know that at least 90% of them are sold. Why else would they bother to spend the money to make 40 million phones. Bragging about sells is not worth that much as you can see no company that is struggling is bragging about sells. You don't see Blackberry touting they shipped 30 million z10s just to say it.
Have you ever noticed how when you walk into a bookstore -- OK, that might be a bit retro for our younger viewers, but hang with me -- and you see an entire floor-to-cieling display of some new book? There's also a table near the cash-out with tons of this same book. But no matter how many times you go in there to get a latte and read for free, the number of books never seems to change? You ask the nice lady at cash-out if it's selling, and she says, "Not really. A few here, a few there."
One day you open the NYT and see it's the #1 "Best Seller." It's sort of like that.
Look at Amazon and the Kindle Fire. They sell it at a loss, hoping for backdoor profits through their ecosystem.
Now, I don't know what Samsung does or doesn't do with their numbers. But they certainly aren't making anywhere near the amount of profits that Apple makes from the iPhone. So, if they are "selling" more than Apple worldwide then there are two possibilities:
1) They really are selling these units to consumers, but they have a very small (almost non-existent) margin.
2) They aren't really selling them at all, but their shipment numbers are very high compared to their sales numbers.
If I'm wrong, and you can think of a third way to explain this situation, I'd be more than happy to hear it. Thanks.
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram
Regardless of what you think, since Apple is the one that needs to make the decision to introduce such a phone, you can bet it matters.
So, I'll repeat the question: do you (seriously) think they wouldn't know? (I notice that, predictably, you almost never provide a straight answer to a question).
Of course it matters to Apple, but I can't speak for what Apple actually knows or doesn't know. I don't think they have magic powers. I'm sure they have to guesstimate some info just like everyone else.
Why don't you just say, that YOU believe that Apple knows what the most popular screen sizes are in every price range.
Which brings up the interesting question as to how you think they know that info. Do they use IDC figures? Other analysts? Factory spies? Supplier inside info? Store exit polls in every country? In other words, what info do you think they'd have that others do not have. Seriously. Thanks!
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Originally Posted by Apple v. Samsung
Yes samsung is paying to make millions of Galaxy S phones just to say they sold them. What are you thinking!!! No company does anything like that. Samsung makes phones and sells most of them. If they said 40 million shipped you do know that at least 90% of them are sold. Why else would they bother to spend the money to make 40 million phones. Bragging about sells is not worth that much as you can see no company that is struggling is bragging about sells. You don't see Blackberry touting they shipped 30 million z10s just to say it.
That is not many of the one billion that Schmidt claims to have been sold.
Just using their phone and SMS? Then why not buy a dumb phone? Or is it that the browsing and app offerings are so sucky that people don't do it as much as on iPhone?
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Originally Posted by hill60
That is not many of the one billion that Schmidt claims to have been sold.
"One billion" is six to nine months from now, and includes every Android device activated since 2008. We need recent trends instead.
IDC says that out of 216 million smartphones sold last quarter, there were 70 million Samsung, 37 million Apple, 10 million LG, 10 million Huawei, 9 million ZTE, 79 million "other".
Earlier this year, Morgan Stanley put out this history and estimate of Samsung high end sales:
It estimates for the past quarter (1Q13e) that there would be 24 million Galaxies of all types sold.
Using those numbers, 24/70 = 34% of Samsung smartphone sales were large (4"-5") screened phones.
It's the weekend and I'm going outside. If someone has differing figures, please post them. Thanks!
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Originally Posted by s.metcalf
What are all the Android users doing if they're not downloading apps on Google Play or browsing the web (web usage data)?
Actually, when they leave out tablets, ad reports say that PHONE web usage is the same.
E.g. "While third-party and our own observations have pegged smartphone Web traffic share as a near-tie, Apple has a decided advantage in the tablet market, ..." - Chitika
This critical little fact has been left out of most fansite articles.
Moreover, the stats that lean towards iOS come from North America alone. Get outside of NA, and the stats lean towards Android, as would be expected.
The upshot is, while the groups do use their smartphones for slightly different purposes (IIRC, Android users tend towards social apps, while iOS users tend towards games -- this seems to be age related), but there's no huge (or inexplicable) difference going on.
BOGO sales and free Sammy with furniture or new car.
Whe that may be true, doesn't android dominate with phone market share. You would think it'll dominate with web share too.
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Originally Posted by KDarling
.... I can't speak for what Apple actually knows or doesn't know. I don't think they have magic powers. I'm sure they have to guesstimate some info .....
Nah.... it's called marketing research. Most firms do it (and although Apple claims not to, that's not believable).