While many pundits insist that Apple must make a larger screen iPhone to keep pace with the offerings from Android licensees, Google's own stats indicate that all big phones, tablets and phablets put together are a tiny 10 percent fraction of active users.
The article is based on several misunderstandings.
Normal goes more like 3.5" to 4.8". The charts are tricky to read, and more importantly, each manufacturer sets what category their device displays by default.
When programming for Android, here are the categories that developers actually use:
Galaxy Mini (3.1") - small, ldpi
Galaxy Ace (3.5") - normal, mdpi
Galaxy S (4.0") - normal, hdpi
Galaxy S2 (4.3") - normal, hdpi
Galaxy S3 (4.8") - normal, xhdpi
Galaxy Nexus (4.65") - normal, xhdpi
Galaxy Note - large, xhdpi
Galaxy Nexus 7 - large, tvdpi
Galaxy Tab 10.1 - xlarge, mdpi
Notice that screens from 4.0" to 4.8" use the "normal/hdpi" and "normal/xhdpi" categories. Looking at the Android dashboard for those stats, you'll see that (37.3% + 25.9%)
= 62.2% of devices using the Play Market in the past two weeks are probably between 4.0" and 4.8".
However, the thing to remember is that... just like those web / ad page stats that people quote too much... the Dashboard does not show market share or sales. It only reflects who is hitting the Market.
100,000,000 million was the last claim by Samsung. (Galaxy S handsets)
1 Billion was the last claim by Schmidt. (Android devices)
Take away the "tiny" screened Galaxy S (the one that looked like an iPhone 3G/S).
Then what have you got?
10% with other manufacturers filling out the "rounding error".
Can one person put multiple flawed claims in a single post, say it's all fact and proves their point and do it with a straight face? Perhaps you can.
Schmidt didn't say there were 1B Android devices. Check the story again.
Samsung said they'd sold 100M Galaxy S model smartphones. . . back in January. They also said at the same time the S3 was currently selling at the rate of another 190K units each day, 5.7 million more each month since if true. That's the S3 only.
And how many small screen Galaxy S models did you say they sold? I missed that figure. Interesting math sir.
At least you changed your story about Google's charts proving large display smartphones aren't big sellers. That's a good start.
It's no big secret that the overwhelming majority of Android products sold are of the ultra bargain variety, catering to the financially disadvantaged and the more technologically ignorant members of our society, basically people who don't mind using junk. This also explains why Android is so under represented on web usage stats, because of the fact that Android users aren't really using their devices that much as smart devices, even though their devices are ironically designated as "smart devices". Does anybody actually expect these penny pinching individuals to spend much money for internet data or to pay to be online when taking a flight?
It's good to see that all of the stats, reports and surveys coming out back up what I have been saying for years now about Android, Android usage and their user base.
I've said this before too, but Android's marketshare importance is highly exaggerated. Who cares about Android's marketshare, when the majority of the users can be categorized as third world consumers, even the ones who happen to live in the first world? One Apple user is probably worth at least 5-10 Android users, if not more, and I am highly suspicious of certain analysts and others who attempt to compare marketshare numbers without giving any consideration to numerous other factors which are far more important and relevant than marketshare.
Normal goes more like 3.5" to 4.8". The charts are tricky to read, and more importantly, each manufacturer sets what category their device displays by default.
So despite the curly brackets being off in the chart as you claim normal goes to 4.8" it's not Google's fault, but AppleInsider's? And if each manufacturer can set their labels arbitrarily then what is the point of anything else you wrote as a vendor can make 1" Large normal and 10" Small. You jump on any little thing out of place or confusing with Apple but with this you defend as if Google doesn't have actual numbers of actual display sizes, resolutions, and every other important aspect of the HW to share with developers.
It's no big secret that the overwhelming majority of Android products sold are of the ultra bargain variety, catering to the financially disadvantaged and the more technologically ignorant members of our society, basically people who don't mind using junk. This also explains why Android is so under represented on web usage stats, because of the fact that Android users aren't really using their devices that much as smart devices, even though their devices are ironically designated as "smart devices". Does anybody actually expect these penny pinching individuals to spend much money for internet data or to pay to be online when taking a flight?
It's good to see that all of the stats, reports and surveys coming out back up what I have been saying for years now about Android, Android usage and their user base.
I've said this before too, but Android's marketshare importance is highly exaggerated. Who cares about Android's marketshare, when the majority of the users can be categorized as third world consumers, even the ones who happen to live in the first world? One Apple user is probably worth at least 5-10 Android users, if not more, and I am highly suspicious of certain analysts and others who attempt to compare marketshare numbers without giving any consideration to numerous other factors which are far more important and relevant than marketshare.
Let's be realistic here. Do you want another Mac Vs windows situation?
Yes, the Mac is awesome and is better than everything else on the other side. But, this time, Apple can have it all!! Apple, the ones innovating and pushing things forward, can have it all!
Oh, so apparently "flagship" phone means only Galaxy S. You better exclude HTC, Sony, Motorola, LG, etc. because none of them have made "flagship" phones.
100 million Galaxy S phones. You can't arbitrarily take out the original Galaxy S phone, because it "looked like" the 3gs, because at the time, it was a 4" phone, quite a bit larger than the 3gs. Apple didn't even catch up to that til 2 years later, when they increased the size of their phones. Like they said they never would.
So that's 100 million phones larger than Apple ever said they'd need. Then, add in all of the HTC, Sony, Motorola, LG phones that are >4" and have top of the line specs for when they were released.
That is substantially more than 10%. I'd have to say closer on to 40-50%.
Forgive my math, but if you can spitball bullshit like that, I figure I can spitball a bit too.
The most popular Android models are cheaper, smaller screened handsets which totally dominate sales with a 90% share.
For each "flagship" phone, there are nine lower end phones being sold.
Google's figures bear out the estimate I made months ago.
To add to what you're saying, the next time Android's global share numbers are trotted out, can the Fandroids here agree that the share truly comparable to Apple's is 10% of the reported number? In other words, the next time we hear "Android has 55% share and Apple 30%", they really mean "Android has 5.5% share and Apple 30% in comparable high-end segments. The other 49.5% is low-end cr4p"?
So despite the curly brackets being off in the chart as you claim normal goes to 4.8" it's not Google's fault, but AppleInsider's?
The chart clearly says that "figures are not exact".
Furthermore, this topic has been explained here before, and you even said:
Quote:
"I thought that went against the chart I used for my posting but upon looking again I guess up to 5" could be considered "normal" by Google's standards, if you want to call it a standard since it overlap with large by about a full inch." - SolipsismX
Even then, I pointed out THE ACTUAL VALUES BEING USED for devices that are hitting the Market, not what someone guessed at to fit their agenda.
Quote:
Originally Posted by SolipsismX
And if each manufacturer can set their labels arbitrarily then what is the point of anything else you wrote as a vendor can make 1" Large normal and 10" Small.
Now you're just being silly. Nobody said they were set totally arbitrarily. I said they got to set what their default was. Obviously they do so within reason, with the eye towards most apps looking good on their screens.
Quote:
You jump on any little thing out of place or confusing with Apple but with this you defend as if Google doesn't have actual numbers of actual display sizes, resolutions, and every other important aspect of the HW to share with developers
Which was my whole point.... these Android dashboard charts cannot be used to reliably determine sales amounts (low or high) any more than web usage or ad view charts can.
That's not pro or anti Apple or Google. It simply is what it is -- the article was based on several misconceptions.
Yeah, that's stupid. Sure, that distinction might be a benefit to devs, but then, not really in the absence of dpi factoring, which still works back into inches anyway because the constraint is still fingertips and eyes.
That's insane.
They make the data insane because that makes it easier to argue anything you want based on the data, or, conversely, to dispute anything you want. That's how Google rolls.
Obviously normal is most common whith a size of 3.5 to 4.5 inches which is apples market, where Steve's goal was for a large display(compared to 2 inches at the time) to replace a seperate keyboard.
10% now. The key word being 'now'. I'd say it'll be a bigger number by 2014.
They have been like this since they were released 2-3 years ago, I know company like Samsung have them now, but what about the fact that smaller devices have stayed.
So there's a big market for cheap smartphones; who would have guessed?
I think the size chart is misleading as most large Android devices could fall into the "normal" category including the Nexus 4, HTC One family and Galaxy SIII.
What's more telling is the prevalence of xhdpi phones: over 25% and growing. Manufacturers aren't using those high res displays in small cheap phones, but in flagship models and there isn't a flagship Android phone under 4.7".
Even the "free with contract" phones are getting bigger. I quickly checked one of the big Canadian carriers and found both the LG Optimus G and HTC OneX available for free on any contract of $50/mo or more.
The part I find most depressing is simply how vanilla Google's own stats are that they can't be more exact regarding screen sizes, resolutions, and pixel densities to developers.
I could not agree with you more Googles own stats on screen size areas are so vague that there really not worth posting. Its just like the "shipped" numbers from android manufacturers, they really dont mean anything when compared to actual "sold" numbers we get from apple.
One other edit: I think the numbers are vague on purpose as well.
I don't get how describing sizes in this way is even slightly helpful (or tells us anything).
A "small" appears to be 2" to 3.5", whereas a "normal" appears to be 3" to 5", but a "large" is 4" to 7"? How does that work? If it's a 4.5" phone is it a "normal" or a "large"? How does one decide which category to put a device in if it falls into one of the overlapping areas?
The overlapping definitions create confusion at the exact point where most of the devices actually fall on the scale. Mostphones cluster around the 4.5"-5" area and mosttablets cluster around the 7"-8" area.
If one can simply pick and choose which category these phones and tablets go into because of the overlapping definitions, then all the information here is pure BS.
You said it lol the whole chart is a waste of time "BS"
It's no big secret that the overwhelming majority of Android products sold are of the ultra bargain variety, catering to the financially disadvantaged and the more technologically ignorant members of our society, basically people who don't mind using junk. This also explains why Android is so under represented on web usage stats, because of the fact that Android users aren't really using their devices that much as smart devices, even though their devices are ironically designated as "smart devices". Does anybody actually expect these penny pinching individuals to spend much money for internet data or to pay to be online when taking a flight?
It's good to see that all of the stats, reports and surveys coming out back up what I have been saying for years now about Android, Android usage and their user base.
I've said this before too, but Android's marketshare importance is highly exaggerated. Who cares about Android's marketshare, when the majority of the users can be categorized as third world consumers, even the ones who happen to live in the first world? One Apple user is probably worth at least 5-10 Android users, if not more, and I am highly suspicious of certain analysts and others who attempt to compare marketshare numbers without giving any consideration to numerous other factors which are far more important and relevant than marketshare.
Thank you!
This always bugs me...
Unit market share = 1 metric
Revenue share = 1 metric (and by deduction, revenue per unit)
Profit pool share = 1 metric (and by deduction, profit percentage)
Installed base = 1 metric
Customer satisfaction/loyalty = 1 metric
Real world device usage = 1 metric
Brand recognition/value = 1 metric
Marketing strategy, alliances and deals = 1 metric
and so on...
If these other guys are doing so well, why the hell are we only hearing about "unit market share". I mean, they should be bragging about these other metrics if they were so much on top of things. So that makes me come to the conclusion that they don’t really have anything to brag about except units shipped/unit market share.
Remember when the iPhone was being lambasted for it's "huge" size, back when Nokia was still king?
Was that only five years ago?
Regarding the second part it would be helpful if Google and the companies selling Android handsets released actual figures instead of muddying the waters with fudged up numbers.
Obviously they do this as they want the misperceptions they are probably paying bloggers to misrepresent, to persist.
Yes, and iPad was ridiculed for being just "a large iPhone "
What's more telling is the prevalence of xhdpi phones: over 25% and growing. Manufacturers aren't using those high res displays in small cheap phones, but in flagship models and there isn't a flagship Android phone under 4.7".
Even the "free with contract" phones are getting bigger. I quickly checked one of the big Canadian carriers and found both the LG Optimus G and HTC OneX available for free on any contract of $50/mo or more.
That is closer to what the article should've been talking about:
What are the most popular screen sizes in the price range that Apple would want to fit in, especially to gain sales outside of the US, where Android dominates?
I.e. Apple probably doesn't want to sell in the very low price ranges. Most people think they'd be after the $300-$400 market. So what screen size dominates there? That's what should be researched.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AppleInsider
While many pundits insist that Apple must make a larger screen iPhone to keep pace with the offerings from Android licensees, Google's own stats indicate that all big phones, tablets and phablets put together are a tiny 10 percent fraction of active users.
The article is based on several misunderstandings.
Normal goes more like 3.5" to 4.8". The charts are tricky to read, and more importantly, each manufacturer sets what category their device displays by default.
When programming for Android, here are the categories that developers actually use:
Galaxy Mini (3.1") - small, ldpi
Galaxy Ace (3.5") - normal, mdpi
Galaxy S (4.0") - normal, hdpi
Galaxy S2 (4.3") - normal, hdpi
Galaxy S3 (4.8") - normal, xhdpi
Galaxy Nexus (4.65") - normal, xhdpi
Galaxy Note - large, xhdpi
Galaxy Nexus 7 - large, tvdpi
Galaxy Tab 10.1 - xlarge, mdpi
Notice that screens from 4.0" to 4.8" use the "normal/hdpi" and "normal/xhdpi" categories. Looking at the Android dashboard for those stats, you'll see that (37.3% + 25.9%)
= 62.2% of devices using the Play Market in the past two weeks are probably between 4.0" and 4.8".
However, the thing to remember is that... just like those web / ad page stats that people quote too much... the Dashboard does not show market share or sales. It only reflects who is hitting the Market.
Quote:
Originally Posted by hill60
100,000,000 million was the last claim by Samsung. (Galaxy S handsets)
1 Billion was the last claim by Schmidt. (Android devices)
Take away the "tiny" screened Galaxy S (the one that looked like an iPhone 3G/S).
Then what have you got?
10% with other manufacturers filling out the "rounding error".
Can one person put multiple flawed claims in a single post, say it's all fact and proves their point and do it with a straight face? Perhaps you can.
Schmidt didn't say there were 1B Android devices. Check the story again.
Samsung said they'd sold 100M Galaxy S model smartphones. . . back in January. They also said at the same time the S3 was currently selling at the rate of another 190K units each day, 5.7 million more each month since if true. That's the S3 only.
And how many small screen Galaxy S models did you say they sold? I missed that figure. Interesting math sir.
At least you changed your story about Google's charts proving large display smartphones aren't big sellers. That's a good start.
It's no big secret that the overwhelming majority of Android products sold are of the ultra bargain variety, catering to the financially disadvantaged and the more technologically ignorant members of our society, basically people who don't mind using junk. This also explains why Android is so under represented on web usage stats, because of the fact that Android users aren't really using their devices that much as smart devices, even though their devices are ironically designated as "smart devices". Does anybody actually expect these penny pinching individuals to spend much money for internet data or to pay to be online when taking a flight?
It's good to see that all of the stats, reports and surveys coming out back up what I have been saying for years now about Android, Android usage and their user base.
I've said this before too, but Android's marketshare importance is highly exaggerated. Who cares about Android's marketshare, when the majority of the users can be categorized as third world consumers, even the ones who happen to live in the first world? One Apple user is probably worth at least 5-10 Android users, if not more, and I am highly suspicious of certain analysts and others who attempt to compare marketshare numbers without giving any consideration to numerous other factors which are far more important and relevant than marketshare.
Will Apple go full phablet?
The phrasing here reminds me of that offensive image of Robert Downey Jr. from whatever that movie is.
I agree with the sentiment of that meme in this case.
So despite the curly brackets being off in the chart as you claim normal goes to 4.8" it's not Google's fault, but AppleInsider's? And if each manufacturer can set their labels arbitrarily then what is the point of anything else you wrote as a vendor can make 1" Large normal and 10" Small. You jump on any little thing out of place or confusing with Apple but with this you defend as if Google doesn't have actual numbers of actual display sizes, resolutions, and every other important aspect of the HW to share with developers.
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Originally Posted by Apple ][
It's no big secret that the overwhelming majority of Android products sold are of the ultra bargain variety, catering to the financially disadvantaged and the more technologically ignorant members of our society, basically people who don't mind using junk. This also explains why Android is so under represented on web usage stats, because of the fact that Android users aren't really using their devices that much as smart devices, even though their devices are ironically designated as "smart devices". Does anybody actually expect these penny pinching individuals to spend much money for internet data or to pay to be online when taking a flight?
It's good to see that all of the stats, reports and surveys coming out back up what I have been saying for years now about Android, Android usage and their user base.
I've said this before too, but Android's marketshare importance is highly exaggerated. Who cares about Android's marketshare, when the majority of the users can be categorized as third world consumers, even the ones who happen to live in the first world? One Apple user is probably worth at least 5-10 Android users, if not more, and I am highly suspicious of certain analysts and others who attempt to compare marketshare numbers without giving any consideration to numerous other factors which are far more important and relevant than marketshare.
Let's be realistic here. Do you want another Mac Vs windows situation?
Yes, the Mac is awesome and is better than everything else on the other side. But, this time, Apple can have it all!! Apple, the ones innovating and pushing things forward, can have it all!
Isn't that much better?
Shut up, then.
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider
Will Apple go full phablet?
(at risk of getting banned, I'll let RDJ answer this in his very NSFW way)
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Originally Posted by hill60
Samsung's 100,000,000 Galaxy S models sold.
Schmidt's 1 Billion Android devices sold.
Are they lying, or what?
Oh, so apparently "flagship" phone means only Galaxy S. You better exclude HTC, Sony, Motorola, LG, etc. because none of them have made "flagship" phones.
100 million Galaxy S phones. You can't arbitrarily take out the original Galaxy S phone, because it "looked like" the 3gs, because at the time, it was a 4" phone, quite a bit larger than the 3gs. Apple didn't even catch up to that til 2 years later, when they increased the size of their phones. Like they said they never would.
So that's 100 million phones larger than Apple ever said they'd need. Then, add in all of the HTC, Sony, Motorola, LG phones that are >4" and have top of the line specs for when they were released.
That is substantially more than 10%. I'd have to say closer on to 40-50%.
Forgive my math, but if you can spitball bullshit like that, I figure I can spitball a bit too.
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Originally Posted by hill60
How?
The most popular Android models are cheaper, smaller screened handsets which totally dominate sales with a 90% share.
For each "flagship" phone, there are nine lower end phones being sold.
Google's figures bear out the estimate I made months ago.
To add to what you're saying, the next time Android's global share numbers are trotted out, can the Fandroids here agree that the share truly comparable to Apple's is 10% of the reported number? In other words, the next time we hear "Android has 55% share and Apple 30%", they really mean "Android has 5.5% share and Apple 30% in comparable high-end segments. The other 49.5% is low-end cr4p"?
Quote:
Originally Posted by SolipsismX
So despite the curly brackets being off in the chart as you claim normal goes to 4.8" it's not Google's fault, but AppleInsider's?
The chart clearly says that "figures are not exact".
Furthermore, this topic has been explained here before, and you even said:
Quote:
"I thought that went against the chart I used for my posting but upon looking again I guess up to 5" could be considered "normal" by Google's standards, if you want to call it a standard since it overlap with large by about a full inch." - SolipsismX
Even then, I pointed out THE ACTUAL VALUES BEING USED for devices that are hitting the Market, not what someone guessed at to fit their agenda.
Quote:
Originally Posted by SolipsismX
And if each manufacturer can set their labels arbitrarily then what is the point of anything else you wrote as a vendor can make 1" Large normal and 10" Small.
Now you're just being silly. Nobody said they were set totally arbitrarily. I said they got to set what their default was. Obviously they do so within reason, with the eye towards most apps looking good on their screens.
Quote:
You jump on any little thing out of place or confusing with Apple but with this you defend as if Google doesn't have actual numbers of actual display sizes, resolutions, and every other important aspect of the HW to share with developers
Which was my whole point.... these Android dashboard charts cannot be used to reliably determine sales amounts (low or high) any more than web usage or ad view charts can.
That's not pro or anti Apple or Google. It simply is what it is -- the article was based on several misconceptions.
They make the data insane because that makes it easier to argue anything you want based on the data, or, conversely, to dispute anything you want. That's how Google rolls.
Quote:
Originally Posted by harharhar
Forgive my math, but if you can spitball bullshit like that, I figure I can spitball a bit too.
The "bullshit" comes from what is released by the manufacturers.
If you want less "bullshit" demand real figures because "bullshit" is all Android manufacturers want people to play with.
Google obscures the real figures.
Samsung obscures the real figures.
Other Android manufacturers obscure the real figures.
When you take out all the "bull" all you are left with is "shit" an apt description of Android.
I think the size chart is misleading as most large Android devices could fall into the "normal" category including the Nexus 4, HTC One family and Galaxy SIII.
What's more telling is the prevalence of xhdpi phones: over 25% and growing. Manufacturers aren't using those high res displays in small cheap phones, but in flagship models and there isn't a flagship Android phone under 4.7".
Even the "free with contract" phones are getting bigger. I quickly checked one of the big Canadian carriers and found both the LG Optimus G and HTC OneX available for free on any contract of $50/mo or more.
Quote:
Originally Posted by SolipsismX
The part I find most depressing is simply how vanilla Google's own stats are that they can't be more exact regarding screen sizes, resolutions, and pixel densities to developers.
I could not agree with you more Googles own stats on screen size areas are so vague that there really not worth posting. Its just like the "shipped" numbers from android manufacturers, they really dont mean anything when compared to actual "sold" numbers we get from apple.
One other edit: I think the numbers are vague on purpose as well.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gazoobee
I don't get how describing sizes in this way is even slightly helpful (or tells us anything).
A "small" appears to be 2" to 3.5", whereas a "normal" appears to be 3" to 5", but a "large" is 4" to 7"? How does that work? If it's a 4.5" phone is it a "normal" or a "large"? How does one decide which category to put a device in if it falls into one of the overlapping areas?
The overlapping definitions create confusion at the exact point where most of the devices actually fall on the scale. Most phones cluster around the 4.5"-5" area and most tablets cluster around the 7"-8" area.
If one can simply pick and choose which category these phones and tablets go into because of the overlapping definitions, then all the information here is pure BS.
You said it lol the whole chart is a waste of time "BS"
Quote:
Originally Posted by hill60
The "bullshit" comes from what is released by the manufacturers.
If you want less "bullshit" demand real figures because "bullshit" is all Android manufacturers want people to play with.
Google obscures the real figures.
Samsung obscures the real figures.
Other Android manufacturers obscure the real figures.
When you take out all the "bull" all you are left with is "shit" an apt description of Android.
LOL
Quote:
Originally Posted by Apple ][
It's no big secret that the overwhelming majority of Android products sold are of the ultra bargain variety, catering to the financially disadvantaged and the more technologically ignorant members of our society, basically people who don't mind using junk. This also explains why Android is so under represented on web usage stats, because of the fact that Android users aren't really using their devices that much as smart devices, even though their devices are ironically designated as "smart devices". Does anybody actually expect these penny pinching individuals to spend much money for internet data or to pay to be online when taking a flight?
It's good to see that all of the stats, reports and surveys coming out back up what I have been saying for years now about Android, Android usage and their user base.
I've said this before too, but Android's marketshare importance is highly exaggerated. Who cares about Android's marketshare, when the majority of the users can be categorized as third world consumers, even the ones who happen to live in the first world? One Apple user is probably worth at least 5-10 Android users, if not more, and I am highly suspicious of certain analysts and others who attempt to compare marketshare numbers without giving any consideration to numerous other factors which are far more important and relevant than marketshare.
Thank you!
This always bugs me...
Unit market share = 1 metric
Revenue share = 1 metric (and by deduction, revenue per unit)
Profit pool share = 1 metric (and by deduction, profit percentage)
Installed base = 1 metric
Customer satisfaction/loyalty = 1 metric
Real world device usage = 1 metric
Brand recognition/value = 1 metric
Marketing strategy, alliances and deals = 1 metric
and so on...
If these other guys are doing so well, why the hell are we only hearing about "unit market share". I mean, they should be bragging about these other metrics if they were so much on top of things. So that makes me come to the conclusion that they don’t really have anything to brag about except units shipped/unit market share.
Yes, and iPad was ridiculed for being just "a large iPhone "
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bregalad
What's more telling is the prevalence of xhdpi phones: over 25% and growing. Manufacturers aren't using those high res displays in small cheap phones, but in flagship models and there isn't a flagship Android phone under 4.7".
Even the "free with contract" phones are getting bigger. I quickly checked one of the big Canadian carriers and found both the LG Optimus G and HTC OneX available for free on any contract of $50/mo or more.
That is closer to what the article should've been talking about:
What are the most popular screen sizes in the price range that Apple would want to fit in, especially to gain sales outside of the US, where Android dominates?
I.e. Apple probably doesn't want to sell in the very low price ranges. Most people think they'd be after the $300-$400 market. So what screen size dominates there? That's what should be researched.