Add to that the Apple Maps flop, NYTimes Pulitzer prize Apple bashing and the perception that Tim Cook needs his own Tim Cook to fly to China to handle the supply end of things, etc.
The iPhone5 was probably the least exciting of any iPhone ever. Many have yet to upgrade from the practically perfect 4S- even Cook was caught lugging around a 4S.
IPhone 5 least exciting ever? By what measure? Surely not sales. Further, it trounces on the 4s in every measure.
What? You claimed that the phone was a boring update and appear to say that this was one major reason why their stock was tanking. And then when faced with the fact that the phone was actually selling quite well you say it is because people are stupid? What point are you actually trying to make? Is it that the phone is partly responsible for apples stock tanking or are you just saying you think it was a boring update in your opinion?
IPhone 5 least exciting ever? By what measure? Surely not sales. Further, it trounces on the 4s in every measure.
Is the 5 selling a lot? Sure, every phone is. Is it considered as big a success as the 4S? Apparently not.
The iPhone 5 was seen as a relative sales failure the first weekend, when it only sold a million more than the 4S had the year before in fewer countries. Analysts had expected up to twice as many sales for the 5.
The iPhone 5 also only seems to account for 50-60% of iPhone sales, while the 4S especially continues to sell strongly even in the US.
Now, there are good reasons for this. The 4S came out after an extra long dry period, so demand was high. It had Siri. OTOH, the iPhone 5 came rather quickly in comparison, so fewer could upgrade. The iPhone 5 mostly has LTE on its side, and that doesn't count in many areas. And its screen size increase, which was pretty wimpy overall, was ignored by most developers. (Which is why Apple is now forcing it.)
The Telegraph, great newspaper though it may be, is not an authoritative source and does not appear to cite the source of its data. Not that it invalidates the observation that cheap, dumb, cell phones probably did, indeed, sell in huge quantities. - far more than the current smartphones.
IPhone 5 least exciting ever? By what measure? Surely not sales. Further, it trounces on the 4s in every measure.
Is the 5 selling a lot? Sure, every phone is. Is it considered as big a success as the 4S? Apparently not.
The iPhone 5 was seen as a relative sales failure the first weekend, when it only sold a million more than the 4S had the year before in fewer countries. Analysts had expected up to twice as many sales for the 5.
The iPhone 5 also only seems to account for 50-60% of iPhone sales, while the 4S especially continues to sell strongly even in the US.
Now, there are good reasons for this. The 4S came out after an extra long dry period, so demand was high. It had Siri. OTOH, the iPhone 5 came rather quickly in comparison, so fewer could upgrade. The iPhone 5 mostly has LTE on its side, and that doesn't count in many areas. And its screen size increase, which was pretty wimpy overall, was ignored by most developers. (Which is why Apple is now forcing it.)
Maybe give a big red circle around what you think the source is, because I'm seeing nothing.
They don't say what research did it, but they are a pretty famous journal, that gives the information some credit. And it's not that surprising. Everybody had that phone.
I had mostly Sony. They were nice and compact. And they could do videoconferencing which worked fine the single time I used it (to call a friend who was in front of me).
<span style="line-height:1.231;">Is the 5 selling a lot? Sure, every phone is. Is it considered as big a success as the 4S? Apparently not.</span>
The iPhone 5 was seen as a relative sales failure the first weekend, when it only sold a million more than the 4S had the year before in fewer countries. Analysts had expected up to twice as many sales for the 5.
The iPhone 5 also only seems to account for 50-60% of iPhone sales, while the 4S especially continues to sell strongly even in the US.
Now, there are good reasons for this. The 4S came out after an extra long dry period, so demand was high. It had Siri. OTOH, t<span style="line-height:1.231;">he iPhone 5 came rather quickly in comparison, so fewer could upgrade. The iPhone 5 mostly has LTE on its side, and that doesn't count in many areas. And its screen size increase, which was pretty wimpy overall, was ignored by most developers. (Which is why Apple is now forcing it.)</span>
<a href="http://gigaom.com/2012/09/24/is-5-million-a-lot-of-iphones/" style="line-height:1.231;" target="_blank">Opening weekend sales less than expected</a>
<span style="line-height:1.231;">. (Horace Dediu even made a chart about it.)</span>
Blah. You re right. I expected the 5 to sell 100 MM in current qtr. no reason but just because. All the under vendors would live to have a dud like the 5.
The iPhone 5 was seen as a relative sales failure the first weekend, when it only sold a million more than the 4S had the year before in fewer countries. Analysts had expected up to twice as many sales for the 5.
5 million in the first 3 days of release is a failure and you compare that as being just like every other phone being sold around the world? Your schilling is even more pathetic than usual. :rolleyes:
He claimed iPhone 5 was the 'largest selling phone of all time'. Patently untrue unless it has suddenly sold 250 million, which is the current record.
"Patently untrue"…? What silliness. You speak as if you're participating in a Fox "news" debate...
Somehow it seems the rest of us understood he was referring to iPhones, that he was saying that the iPhone 5 is the best selling iPhone so far. Sorry you missed that intent.
Anyway do tell, which model of iPhone sold 250 millions units again?
5 million in the first 3 days of release is a failure and you compare that as being just like every other phone being sold around the world? Your schilling is even more pathetic than usual.
Nobody said "failure". Those are YOUR words.
Thread context is important. Someone commented that the iPhone 5's sales couldn't possibly be seen as the "least exciting ever".
My post was simply explaining why many analysts thought it was not selling as well as it might. It was meant only as an informational response, not oppositional. I should've realized that some people are far too heavily involved in defending Apple at all costs, to be objective. My fault.
<span style="line-height:1.231;">Thread context is important. Someone commented that the iPhone 5's sales couldn't possibly be seen as the "least exciting ever".</span>
My post was simply explaining why many analysts thought it was not selling as well as it might. It was meant only as an informational response, not oppositional. I should've realized that some people are far too heavily involved in defending Apple at all costs, to be objective. My fault.
You did say "failure". What about this explanation: Apple didn't have enough supply for the first weekend allotted as they had an aggressive rollout.
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Originally Posted by garbage
Feel free to look it up yourself.
Nah, you can just tell us.
Originally Posted by muppetry
He's referring to the old Nokia 1110, which Wikipedia lists as having sold 250M.
*Figures are approximate and based on the best information available.
And it gives no source for that whatsoever, so…
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Originally Posted by muppetry
He's referring to the old Nokia 1110, which Wikipedia lists as having sold 250M.
*Figures are approximate and based on the best information available.
And it gives no source for that whatsoever, so…
I wasn't commenting on its accuracy, just noting that the aptly named poster had discovered Wikipedia.
Originally Posted by muppetry
I wasn't commenting on its accuracy, just noting that the aptly named poster had discovered Wikipedia.
Oh, sure. No animosity directed at you.
IPhone 5 least exciting ever? By what measure? Surely not sales. Further, it trounces on the 4s in every measure.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Nah, you can just tell us.
And it gives no source for that whatsoever, so…
It does actually if you had taken the time to examine the page.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/picture-galleries/9818080/The-20-bestselling-mobile-phones-of-all-time.html?frame=2459012
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Originally Posted by NoahJ
What? You claimed that the phone was a boring update and appear to say that this was one major reason why their stock was tanking. And then when faced with the fact that the phone was actually selling quite well you say it is because people are stupid? What point are you actually trying to make? Is it that the phone is partly responsible for apples stock tanking or are you just saying you think it was a boring update in your opinion?
Both.
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Originally Posted by TBell
IPhone 5 least exciting ever? By what measure? Surely not sales. Further, it trounces on the 4s in every measure.
Is the 5 selling a lot? Sure, every phone is. Is it considered as big a success as the 4S? Apparently not.
The iPhone 5 was seen as a relative sales failure the first weekend, when it only sold a million more than the 4S had the year before in fewer countries. Analysts had expected up to twice as many sales for the 5.
The iPhone 5 also only seems to account for 50-60% of iPhone sales, while the 4S especially continues to sell strongly even in the US.
Now, there are good reasons for this. The 4S came out after an extra long dry period, so demand was high. It had Siri. OTOH, the iPhone 5 came rather quickly in comparison, so fewer could upgrade. The iPhone 5 mostly has LTE on its side, and that doesn't count in many areas. And its screen size increase, which was pretty wimpy overall, was ignored by most developers. (Which is why Apple is now forcing it.)
Opening weekend sales less than expected. (Horace Dediu even made a chart about it.)
iPhone 5 sales will ultimately disappoint. - BGR
Three reasons why the iPhone 5 was a "dud"
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Originally Posted by ClemyNX
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Nah, you can just tell us.
And it gives no source for that whatsoever, so…
It does actually if you had taken the time to examine the page.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/picture-galleries/9818080/The-20-bestselling-mobile-phones-of-all-time.html?frame=2459012
The Telegraph, great newspaper though it may be, is not an authoritative source and does not appear to cite the source of its data. Not that it invalidates the observation that cheap, dumb, cell phones probably did, indeed, sell in huge quantities. - far more than the current smartphones.
Originally Posted by ClemyNX
It does actually if you had taken the time to examine the page.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/picture-galleries/9818080/The-20-bestselling-mobile-phones-of-all-time.html?frame=2459012
Maybe give a big red circle around what you think the source is, because I'm seeing nothing.
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Originally Posted by KDarling
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Originally Posted by TBell
IPhone 5 least exciting ever? By what measure? Surely not sales. Further, it trounces on the 4s in every measure.
Is the 5 selling a lot? Sure, every phone is. Is it considered as big a success as the 4S? Apparently not.
The iPhone 5 was seen as a relative sales failure the first weekend, when it only sold a million more than the 4S had the year before in fewer countries. Analysts had expected up to twice as many sales for the 5.
The iPhone 5 also only seems to account for 50-60% of iPhone sales, while the 4S especially continues to sell strongly even in the US.
Now, there are good reasons for this. The 4S came out after an extra long dry period, so demand was high. It had Siri. OTOH, the iPhone 5 came rather quickly in comparison, so fewer could upgrade. The iPhone 5 mostly has LTE on its side, and that doesn't count in many areas. And its screen size increase, which was pretty wimpy overall, was ignored by most developers. (Which is why Apple is now forcing it.)
Opening weekend sales less than expected. (Horace Dediu even made a chart about it.)
iPhone 5 sales will ultimately disappoint. - BGR
Three reasons why the iPhone 5 was a "dud"
The only 'dud' here is is post full of FUD.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Maybe give a big red circle around what you think the source is, because I'm seeing nothing.
They don't say what research did it, but they are a pretty famous journal, that gives the information some credit. And it's not that surprising. Everybody had that phone.
Originally Posted by ClemyNX
And it's not that surprising. Everybody had that phone.
We only bought LG phones.
I had mostly Sony. They were nice and compact. And they could do videoconferencing which worked fine the single time I used it (to call a friend who was in front of me).
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram
Yep. That must be the reason why it's the largest selling smart phone of all time.
Oh boy..... What do we have here.....
Fixed it so iKool will shut up.
Blah. You re right. I expected the 5 to sell 100 MM in current qtr. no reason but just because. All the under vendors would live to have a dud like the 5.
5 million in the first 3 days of release is a failure and you compare that as being just like every other phone being sold around the world? Your schilling is even more pathetic than usual. :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by garbage
He claimed iPhone 5 was the 'largest selling phone of all time'. Patently untrue unless it has suddenly sold 250 million, which is the current record.
"Patently untrue"…? What silliness. You speak as if you're participating in a Fox "news" debate...
Somehow it seems the rest of us understood he was referring to iPhones, that he was saying that the iPhone 5 is the best selling iPhone so far. Sorry you missed that intent.
Anyway do tell, which model of iPhone sold 250 millions units again?
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
5 million in the first 3 days of release is a failure and you compare that as being just like every other phone being sold around the world? Your schilling is even more pathetic than usual.
Nobody said "failure". Those are YOUR words.
Thread context is important. Someone commented that the iPhone 5's sales couldn't possibly be seen as the "least exciting ever".
My post was simply explaining why many analysts thought it was not selling as well as it might. It was meant only as an informational response, not oppositional. I should've realized that some people are far too heavily involved in defending Apple at all costs, to be objective. My fault.
You did say "failure". What about this explanation: Apple didn't have enough supply for the first weekend allotted as they had an aggressive rollout.
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Originally Posted by KDarling
Nobody said "failure". Those are YOUR words.
** sigh **
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Originally Posted by KDarling
The iPhone 5 was seen as a relative sales failure the first weekend
Your words, not mine………..