So an analysis of possible prices based on physical books and Amazon pricing.
Has anyone told the DoJ that an implication is not conclusive evidence, particularly as relates to hearsay where the writer of the email is not available to clarify the true meaning.
Apple will be exonerated, they have done nothing wrong.
Maybe Steve Jobs should recuse himself from the investigation...
Am I the only one surprised and disappointed that Jobs was colluding with Rupert Murdoch directly? Not just the fact that Murdoch is one of the worst humans on the planet, but just how stupid this is in the internet age? Shouldn't there have been at least a go-between or two when they're corresponding about fixing prices so the companies could have downplayed it somehow?
All this certainly now explains the WSJ being relentless against Apple...
In a weird kind of way I am thinking that DOJ is attacking Apple as a ruse to be able to attack Amazon. Since Amazon worked with the DOJ against Apple a lot of evidence was collected and the DOJ saw that in order to break up the Amazon monopoly Apple had to present the data showing the monopolistic practices that Amazon had and has forced upon book publishers. Once all of the information becomes public I think Apple will be exonerated and the book publishers will then be in a position of power to stop being pawns for Amazon. Let's see what happens.
Am I the only one surprised and disappointed that Jobs was colluding with Rupert Murdoch directly? Not just the fact that Murdoch is one of the worst humans on the planet, but just how stupid this is in the internet age? Shouldn't there have been at least a go-between or two when they're corresponding about fixing prices so the companies could have downplayed it somehow?
Definitely disappointed about working with Murdoch.
It seems that wall degree plaque was purchased off the Internet for $9.99 along with the degree, going by the complete lack of understanding of the law that the perpetrators of this farcical nonsense portray.
If they'd bought that plaque from Apple, it would have been $12.99...
I think the important thing in the email isn't the discussion of price, it's the repeated use of "we all" in the text: "...we'll all fail.", "...we can all...". It sort of blows away the concept that Apple was negotiating in a vacuum with the book publishers. And that was part of Apple's claim, that they negotiated individually with the book publishers. They all knew what Apple was doing. Couple that with Apple requirement that publisher's couldn't let other book sellers sell at a cheaper price and the switch to the agency model.
If they'd bought that plaque from Apple, it would have been $12.99...
I think the important thing in the email isn't the discussion of price, it's the repeated use of "we all" in the text: "...we'll all fail.", "...we can all...". It sort of blows away the concept that Apple was negotiating in a vacuum with the book publishers. And that was part of Apple's claim, that they negotiated individually with the book publishers. They all knew what Apple was doing. Couple that with Apple requirement that publisher's couldn't let other book sellers sell at a cheaper price and the switch to the agency model.
I didn't see a mention of other publishers. "We" can describe just two people/entities.
Am I the only one surprised and disappointed that Jobs was colluding with Rupert Murdoch directly? Not just the fact that Murdoch is one of the worst humans on the planet, but just how stupid this is in the internet age? Shouldn't there have been at least a go-between or two when they're corresponding about fixing prices so the companies could have downplayed it somehow?
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Originally Posted by Klark Kent
Definitely disappointed about working with Murdoch.
Quick you two should update your resumes just in case the board does can Tim Cook. Obviously you know things about Murdoch that Steve was unaware of. What was Rupert doing that was so evil and different from any other new organization? Was he snipping the spinal cords of babies? Using the DoJ to wiretap reporters phone lines? Using the IRS to shutdown his competition?
Is Rupert a bad guy? I don't know, but there is very little difference between how his companies are run to those of NBC, CBS, ABC, and PBS groups. Steve's number one job was to watch out for Apple's interests, not police organizations/people you don't like.
If they'd bought that plaque from Apple, it would have been $12.99...
I think the important thing in the email isn't the discussion of price, it's the repeated use of "we all" in the text: "...we'll all fail.", "...we can all...". It sort of blows away the concept that Apple was negotiating in a vacuum with the book publishers. And that was part of Apple's claim, that they negotiated individually with the book publishers. They all knew what Apple was doing. Couple that with Apple requirement that publisher's couldn't let other book sellers sell at a cheaper price and the switch to the agency model.
If they'd bought that plaque from Apple, it would have been $12.99...
I think the important thing in the email isn't the discussion of price, it's the repeated use of "we all" in the text: "...we'll all fail.", "...we can all...". It sort of blows away the concept that Apple was negotiating in a vacuum with the book publishers. And that was part of Apple's claim, that they negotiated individually with the book publishers. They all knew what Apple was doing. Couple that with Apple requirement that publisher's couldn't let other book sellers sell at a cheaper price and the switch to the agency model.
We can be just two, but it does not matter if the we refers to Apple and all the publishers. Apple can tell one publisher it has other publishers on board as long as Apple worked out the deals independently. That is a common sales technique. You tell one party you wish to sell to that another competing party is on board. Nothing wrong with that.
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They will lose.
Maybe Steve Jobs should recuse himself from the investigation...
Steve Jobs quote: "our motives are pure"
Veeeery pure indeed! Hey, let's raise the books prices and see if we can PROFIT!
All this certainly now explains the WSJ being relentless against Apple...
...In other news, the Department Of Justice has decided to change its name to the Ministry Of Truth,,,
Is the DOJ that stupid in the USA? Or does it work for Amazon? Department of Amazon Justice?
On a different note I used Siri to type this.
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Originally Posted by Superbass
Am I the only one surprised and disappointed that Jobs was colluding with Rupert Murdoch directly? Not just the fact that Murdoch is one of the worst humans on the planet, but just how stupid this is in the internet age? Shouldn't there have been at least a go-between or two when they're corresponding about fixing prices so the companies could have downplayed it somehow?
Definitely disappointed about working with Murdoch.
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Originally Posted by hill60
It seems that wall degree plaque was purchased off the Internet for $9.99 along with the degree, going by the complete lack of understanding of the law that the perpetrators of this farcical nonsense portray.
If they'd bought that plaque from Apple, it would have been $12.99...
I think the important thing in the email isn't the discussion of price, it's the repeated use of "we all" in the text: "...we'll all fail.", "...we can all...". It sort of blows away the concept that Apple was negotiating in a vacuum with the book publishers. And that was part of Apple's claim, that they negotiated individually with the book publishers. They all knew what Apple was doing. Couple that with Apple requirement that publisher's couldn't let other book sellers sell at a cheaper price and the switch to the agency model.
They would be a laughable bunch if they didn't have such untrammeled prosecutorial power.
I didn't see a mention of other publishers. "We" can describe just two people/entities.
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Originally Posted by Klark Kent
Definitely disappointed about working with Murdoch.
Why?
Both men had visions and created empires based on bringing them about.
From what was said in the article both men shared a similar idea of keeping their respective corporate cultures alive and active.
Both had stunning successes and equally spectacular failures.
They had a lot in common.
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Originally Posted by Superbass
Am I the only one surprised and disappointed that Jobs was colluding with Rupert Murdoch directly? Not just the fact that Murdoch is one of the worst humans on the planet, but just how stupid this is in the internet age? Shouldn't there have been at least a go-between or two when they're corresponding about fixing prices so the companies could have downplayed it somehow?
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Originally Posted by Klark Kent
Definitely disappointed about working with Murdoch.
Quick you two should update your resumes just in case the board does can Tim Cook. Obviously you know things about Murdoch that Steve was unaware of. What was Rupert doing that was so evil and different from any other new organization? Was he snipping the spinal cords of babies? Using the DoJ to wiretap reporters phone lines? Using the IRS to shutdown his competition?
Is Rupert a bad guy? I don't know, but there is very little difference between how his companies are run to those of NBC, CBS, ABC, and PBS groups. Steve's number one job was to watch out for Apple's interests, not police organizations/people you don't like.
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Originally Posted by NelsonX
Steve Jobs quote: "our motives are pure"
Veeeery pure indeed! Hey, let's raise the books prices and see if we can PROFIT!
And what's wrong with that?
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Originally Posted by caliminius
If they'd bought that plaque from Apple, it would have been $12.99...
I think the important thing in the email isn't the discussion of price, it's the repeated use of "we all" in the text: "...we'll all fail.", "...we can all...". It sort of blows away the concept that Apple was negotiating in a vacuum with the book publishers. And that was part of Apple's claim, that they negotiated individually with the book publishers. They all knew what Apple was doing. Couple that with Apple requirement that publisher's couldn't let other book sellers sell at a cheaper price and the switch to the agency model.
We, as in Apple and Harper Collins.
One bookstore + one publisher = "we".
The guy is the CEO of one of the largest media conglomerates and you expect Jobs is going to snub the guy?
We can be just two, but it does not matter if the we refers to Apple and all the publishers. Apple can tell one publisher it has other publishers on board as long as Apple worked out the deals independently. That is a common sales technique. You tell one party you wish to sell to that another competing party is on board. Nothing wrong with that.