I think people missed the real reason for the positive Samsung articles: Media always give favorite views to its biggest advertisers. Samsung knows this and decides to out-spend Apple to get the "most favorable" status.
I think people missed the real reason for the positive Samsung articles: Media always give favorite views to its biggest advertisers. Samsung knows this and decides to out-spend Apple to get the "most favorable" status.
Or they know they get more ad money if they continue to fan the flames of the fanboy war.
You're quite probably a needlessly return account troll. *shrug*
You are trolling me. I'm being contributory you are being rude, confrontational, and off topic. I've done nothing wrong. I've said nothing wrong. Yet I'm being attacked for no fuckin reason by members and a moderator.
Yet you have the nerve to call me a troll. Where? Where have I trolled?
I have to think Cook is well aware that Apple's showman is gone and that allowing no new products for such a long time will make Apple "look" even worse despite record breaking sales and profits. Perhaps I'm just an optimist but I have think Cook knows he needs to prove himself and ease the minds pf shareholders and consumers, and will do so in a very spectacular way this year once some items fall into place.
I agree. Either Apple has something spectacular up its sleeves, or they learned their lesson from last fall when they launched the new iMac prematurely.
But, given that the iPad "refresh" was calculatedly released in the fall (rather than this spring), one has to wonder if they are resetting the schedule on purpose to concentrate making a bang on all fronts during the Christmas season. Alternatively, they knew they would not be ready with a significantly new iPad by this March, and sneaked in a slight refresh in the fall (which would have been anti-climatic if done in March).
Regardless, the current "lull" appears to be a calculated gamble to allow everything to fall into place for a gangbuster Christmas shopping season.
I agree. Either Apple has something spectacular up its sleeves, or they learned their lesson from last fall when they launched the new iMac prematurely.
But, given that the iPad "refresh" was calculatedly released in the fall (rather than this spring), one has to wonder if they are resetting the schedule on purpose to concentrate making a bang on all fronts during the Christmas season. Alternatively, they knew they would not be ready with a significantly new iPad by this March, and sneaked in a slight refresh in the fall (which would have been anti-climatic if done in March).
Regardless, the current "lull" appears to be a calculated gamble to allow everything to fall into place for a gangbuster Christmas shopping season.
I have a feeling that by the end of 2013 so many people are going to be eating crow.
1) Everyone on this thread understands that Samsung is successful, but you're ignoring the basis of the article that notes the same author referring to slower pace as successful and a faster rate as unsuccessful.
2) Samsung hasn't had supply constraints but they've also sold a lot less than Apple has in a given time frame. Or are you suggesting that Apple 5 million in 3 days stopped cold for at least the next 25 days which proves Samsung can make and sell 2x as many devices as Apple for a given time frame?
It's not all that hard really. Now is it? It's a matter of reality not meeting expectations. All that hype (previously expertly managed by Apple) helps Apple while selling a device. But when not managed well, it takes on a life of it's own. The iPhone 4 sold 4 million on its opening weekend. Apple (?) announced that pre-orders for the iPhone 5 was twice that of the iPhone 4. So analysts including the one in the article hyped the expectation to be 6-10 million. With all the pent up demand, naturally, the iPhone 5 sold 1 million more than the 4S, but much less than what was expected. Hence it was disappointing.
After the Galaxy S3's success, the hype for the Galaxy S4 was very high with expectations of flexible displays etc. The S4 is a solid evolutionary upgrade to the S3, but falls well short of the hype. For me, it was Meh. But considering that it's just evolutionary, it's sold well, over the entire month (irrespective of whether it was to channels or not). The real test is how well is it going to continue to sell. Apple starts out with a bang on a new phone and then peters out over the rest of the year. Samsung sells a new phone every 6 months. So new purchasers almost always have something new to buy. I think they will do well with the S4 simply because it's still a very good phone and because they have good supply chain (a strong hold of Apple). But if HTC were to actually deliver a trouble free HTC One in sufficient quantities, it actually has a pretty good phone on its hand and pick off potential Samsung or Apple customers. But HTC has to deliver and it hasn't shown any signs of doing that.
Which specific Galaxy S3 model is that? And are you saying that this model had LTE at some point and now has no LTE (the same model)?
We have two models available in Australia, the Galaxy SIIII and the Galaxy SIII 4G, the SIII is slightly cheaper than the SIII 4G, but it's a moot point as the stock that was shipped gathers dust in our store as people prefer the S4.
btw Australia is not part of the USA so the "International" applies, whatever the f*ck that means.
Not the worst analogy. Suppose ARod had a history of hitting home runs regularly. Suppose Jeter was known for reliably hitting singles. Based on expectations the Yankees decide to pay ARod 30mil a year and Jeter 15mil.
Now the season gets underway and reality plays out a little different than expectations- ARod is reliably hitting triples, with the occasional home run. Jeter surprises everyone by hitting doubles reliably with the occasional triple thrown in. Despite still outhitting Jeter, ARod gets some bad press. Jeter gets some glowing press reviews.
Next season comes around and they negotiate contracts. ARod is offered 25mil and Jeter is offered 18mil.....
An ARod fan might cry fowl. ARod is playing *better* than Jeter but they are disappointed in him and giving him a pay cut, and yet reporters are gushing over Jeters performance and the Yankees are giving him a raise!! How dumb is that?!
At its peak Apples $650 bil plus market cap was based on it completely crushing everything (hitting repeated home runs). At that time I believe Samsung Electronics was somewhere above the $100-125 bil valuation. So Apple was valued around 6 times more than Samsung.
Apple did 'worse than expected.' Samsung did 'better than expected.' Apple still has the better sales and profits- but no longer so much so that they are worth 6 times as much. Based on this seasons contract negotiations Apple got a 'pay cut' and is valued at @ $400billion. Samsung electronics got a 'raise' and is currently valued @ $170 billion.
Apple is still valued at somewhere between 2x to 3x Samsung electronics.
The iPhone 5s will mark the next inning. It *has* to be the best selling phone and certainly exceed the S4's sales. If it does not, there will no longer be a justification for Apple to be valued at 2-3x Samsung. If it surprises everyone and people flock en masse to it ditching their Android phones and knocking down store walls to get at it- then maybe Apple will go back to being worth 6x Samsung.
Since Android 4.0 (or was it 4.1?), you can't install apps on the SD card. Which means that unless you are rooted and can use something like DirectoryBind, the SD Card can only be used for storing music and other files. So for the vast majority of folks, this is a major fail - first on the part of Google for getting rid of Apps2SD and secondly on the part of Samsung to make TouchWiz so heavy and still ship with only 16GB. This is the mistake HTC made with the One X last year and rectified this year with the One.
They still blew it with the non removable battery for me. And the S4 is not worth upgrading to if you have the S3. So there still hasn't been a good Android phone out there for me this year. Still holding out for the Nexus 5, the Moto X or the Note 3.
You are mistaken. Apple announces and clearly tells you what is sold to end customers. units that are in transit are counted in that number but not what is sitting on the shelf somewhere. They report channel inventory seperately to indicate how close they are to matching demand. This is also why just about every article stipulates Apple sales but then say shipped for Samsung. The articles are written as if they were the same, but the fact they consistently use these terms and not interchangeably says they know they are incompatible.
In a number of countries Apple does not sell directly to end users, they sell via an reseller, they have no visibility into the location of phones with these resellers
knowing well both platforms iOS and Android, I can clearly put following:
- fragmentation of Android is very annoying to the degree that some of developers actually give up developing on it after few flops
- I see so many compatibility, reliability, security, reliability and quality issues at Android that it makes me very clear in my believe that Android phones are being used mainly as phones and game consoles and not as smartphones
- so-called premium Android devices, like Samsung S3,S4, Galaxy Tab 2,.. perform so crappy compared to Apple's that reasonable person does not understand how is somebody prepared to give same money for Samsung device as for Apple's.
- majority of Samsung's customers are ignorant people being persuaded mainly from mobile operator staff being bribed under the table and sometimes forced by management due to lower subsidies, being stupid enough to do this knowing that they earn much less with data transfer later
- Samsung has very large percentage of premium users being Apple haters, frustrated from young age not being willing to pay more for Mac computers as for wintel crap, being computer "experts", calculating Gb and GHz from young age and trying to impress some less fortunate girls and of course: they NEVER did anything useful on computer...
What is clear to me is also following:
- smartphone introduction period is not yet over, but it's coming to an end
- during that period majority of people were just buying smartphones
- as smartphone usage matures, people will start to look at it more seriously and caring more and more about quality
- this will bring problems for company like Samsung, and open new opportunity for APple. Samsung is the one with problems on horizon, not Apple, because Samsung cannot either innovate or bring on the market high quality product for a reasonable price.
knowing well both platforms iOS and Android, I can clearly put following:
- fragmentation of Android is very annoying to the degree that some of developers actually give up developing on it after few flops
- I see so many compatibility, reliability, security, reliability and quality issues at Android that it makes me very clear in my believe that Android phones are being used mainly as phones and game consoles and not as smartphones
- so-called premium Android devices, like Samsung S3,S4, Galaxy Tab 2,.. perform so crappy compared to Apple's that reasonable person does not understand how is somebody prepared to give same money for Samsung device as for Apple's.
- majority of Samsung's customers are ignorant people being persuaded mainly from mobile operator staff being bribed under the table and sometimes forced by management due to lower subsidies, being stupid enough to do this knowing that they earn much less with data transfer later
- Samsung has very large percentage of premium users being Apple haters, frustrated from young age not being willing to pay more for Mac computers as for wintel crap, being computer "experts", calculating Gb and GHz from young age and trying to impress some less fortunate girls and of course: they NEVER did anything useful on computer...
What is clear to me is also following:
- smartphone introduction period is not yet over, but it's coming to an end
- during that period majority of people were just buying smartphones
- as smartphone usage matures, people will start to look at it more seriously and caring more and more about quality
- this will bring problems for company like Samsung, and open new opportunity for APple. Samsung is the one with problems on horizon, not Apple, because Samsung cannot either innovate or bring on the market high quality product for a reasonable price.
Samsung can innovate. But they can't...I don't know the word but a lot of their cool features are pretty much useless no matter how smart they may be. Useless.or half baked.
Samsung was found in Taiwan to have hired many people to post favourable messages on local forums criticising HTC and other smartphone brands. You can easily see why such a piece of trash with a blue-ish screen and plastic case could earn so much praise in the media.
Samsung could also pay some writers to write something good for themselves. Isn't that what Apple did sometimes? However, I see the weakness in Apple in terms of publicity. Jobs seemed to work very hard and constant on creating buzz on Apple products. But Cook has not done any work in that area to public. He seems to keep working as he used to be under Jobs to us. That's his fault. He need to realize what Jobs has done in terms of publicity. He could say that Jobs had a natural talent for it. But that does not mean Cook shouldn't learn from what Jobs did. Although Jobs kindly instructed that Cook lead Apple in his own way, if Cook can't perform in public conference for demonstrating his ability to sell products, he should hire someone who inspires public at least. Samsung's CEO copies Jobs style in many aspects. However, as you know, Asian at large tend to be copy cats. I know it because I am an Asian. We tend to be specialized in copying ideas and products and make them better. But remember, Rolls Royce is much better product than Hundai Sonata. I never compared the number but I guess Hundai cars are sold in much more volume than those of Rolls Royce in both short and long terms. This is the kind of things that Cook should say in public responding to those articles like Jobs did.
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Originally Posted by hill60
The Galaxy SIII 4G.
Which specific Galaxy S3 model is that? And are you saying that this model had LTE at some point and now has no LTE (the same model)?
Or they know they get more ad money if they continue to fan the flames of the fanboy war.
Originally Posted by realitychecks
You are a needlessly confrontational moderator.
You're quite probably a needlessly return account troll. *shrug*
You are trolling me. I'm being contributory you are being rude, confrontational, and off topic. I've done nothing wrong. I've said nothing wrong. Yet I'm being attacked for no fuckin reason by members and a moderator.
Yet you have the nerve to call me a troll. Where? Where have I trolled?
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
I have to think Cook is well aware that Apple's showman is gone and that allowing no new products for such a long time will make Apple "look" even worse despite record breaking sales and profits. Perhaps I'm just an optimist but I have think Cook knows he needs to prove himself and ease the minds pf shareholders and consumers, and will do so in a very spectacular way this year once some items fall into place.
I agree. Either Apple has something spectacular up its sleeves, or they learned their lesson from last fall when they launched the new iMac prematurely.
But, given that the iPad "refresh" was calculatedly released in the fall (rather than this spring), one has to wonder if they are resetting the schedule on purpose to concentrate making a bang on all fronts during the Christmas season. Alternatively, they knew they would not be ready with a significantly new iPad by this March, and sneaked in a slight refresh in the fall (which would have been anti-climatic if done in March).
Regardless, the current "lull" appears to be a calculated gamble to allow everything to fall into place for a gangbuster Christmas shopping season.
I have a feeling that by the end of 2013 so many people are going to be eating crow.
Edit: probably by the end of WWDC actually.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
1) Everyone on this thread understands that Samsung is successful, but you're ignoring the basis of the article that notes the same author referring to slower pace as successful and a faster rate as unsuccessful.
2) Samsung hasn't had supply constraints but they've also sold a lot less than Apple has in a given time frame. Or are you suggesting that Apple 5 million in 3 days stopped cold for at least the next 25 days which proves Samsung can make and sell 2x as many devices as Apple for a given time frame?
It's not all that hard really. Now is it? It's a matter of reality not meeting expectations. All that hype (previously expertly managed by Apple) helps Apple while selling a device. But when not managed well, it takes on a life of it's own. The iPhone 4 sold 4 million on its opening weekend. Apple (?) announced that pre-orders for the iPhone 5 was twice that of the iPhone 4. So analysts including the one in the article hyped the expectation to be 6-10 million. With all the pent up demand, naturally, the iPhone 5 sold 1 million more than the 4S, but much less than what was expected. Hence it was disappointing.
After the Galaxy S3's success, the hype for the Galaxy S4 was very high with expectations of flexible displays etc. The S4 is a solid evolutionary upgrade to the S3, but falls well short of the hype. For me, it was Meh. But considering that it's just evolutionary, it's sold well, over the entire month (irrespective of whether it was to channels or not). The real test is how well is it going to continue to sell. Apple starts out with a bang on a new phone and then peters out over the rest of the year. Samsung sells a new phone every 6 months. So new purchasers almost always have something new to buy. I think they will do well with the S4 simply because it's still a very good phone and because they have good supply chain (a strong hold of Apple). But if HTC were to actually deliver a trouble free HTC One in sufficient quantities, it actually has a pretty good phone on its hand and pick off potential Samsung or Apple customers. But HTC has to deliver and it hasn't shown any signs of doing that.
We have two models available in Australia, the Galaxy SIIII and the Galaxy SIII 4G, the SIII is slightly cheaper than the SIII 4G, but it's a moot point as the stock that was shipped gathers dust in our store as people prefer the S4.
btw Australia is not part of the USA so the "International" applies, whatever the f*ck that means.
Confusing, I know but that's fragmentation.
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Originally Posted by Frood
Not the worst analogy. Suppose ARod had a history of hitting home runs regularly. Suppose Jeter was known for reliably hitting singles. Based on expectations the Yankees decide to pay ARod 30mil a year and Jeter 15mil.
Now the season gets underway and reality plays out a little different than expectations- ARod is reliably hitting triples, with the occasional home run. Jeter surprises everyone by hitting doubles reliably with the occasional triple thrown in. Despite still outhitting Jeter, ARod gets some bad press. Jeter gets some glowing press reviews.
Next season comes around and they negotiate contracts. ARod is offered 25mil and Jeter is offered 18mil.....
An ARod fan might cry fowl. ARod is playing *better* than Jeter but they are disappointed in him and giving him a pay cut, and yet reporters are gushing over Jeters performance and the Yankees are giving him a raise!! How dumb is that?!
At its peak Apples $650 bil plus market cap was based on it completely crushing everything (hitting repeated home runs). At that time I believe Samsung Electronics was somewhere above the $100-125 bil valuation. So Apple was valued around 6 times more than Samsung.
Apple did 'worse than expected.' Samsung did 'better than expected.' Apple still has the better sales and profits- but no longer so much so that they are worth 6 times as much. Based on this seasons contract negotiations Apple got a 'pay cut' and is valued at @ $400billion. Samsung electronics got a 'raise' and is currently valued @ $170 billion.
Apple is still valued at somewhere between 2x to 3x Samsung electronics.
The iPhone 5s will mark the next inning. It *has* to be the best selling phone and certainly exceed the S4's sales. If it does not, there will no longer be a justification for Apple to be valued at 2-3x Samsung. If it surprises everyone and people flock en masse to it ditching their Android phones and knocking down store walls to get at it- then maybe Apple will go back to being worth 6x Samsung.
Spot On!
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Originally Posted by Loptimist
Have you ever heard of a thing called Micro SD?
Since Android 4.0 (or was it 4.1?), you can't install apps on the SD card. Which means that unless you are rooted and can use something like DirectoryBind, the SD Card can only be used for storing music and other files. So for the vast majority of folks, this is a major fail - first on the part of Google for getting rid of Apps2SD and secondly on the part of Samsung to make TouchWiz so heavy and still ship with only 16GB. This is the mistake HTC made with the One X last year and rectified this year with the One.
They still blew it with the non removable battery for me. And the S4 is not worth upgrading to if you have the S3. So there still hasn't been a good Android phone out there for me this year. Still holding out for the Nexus 5, the Moto X or the Note 3.
In a number of countries Apple does not sell directly to end users, they sell via an reseller, they have no visibility into the location of phones with these resellers
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Originally Posted by realitychecks
I have a feeling that by the end of 2013 so many people are going to be eating crow.
Edit: probably by the end of WWDC actually.
you wish
knowing well both platforms iOS and Android, I can clearly put following:
- fragmentation of Android is very annoying to the degree that some of developers actually give up developing on it after few flops
- I see so many compatibility, reliability, security, reliability and quality issues at Android that it makes me very clear in my believe that Android phones are being used mainly as phones and game consoles and not as smartphones
- so-called premium Android devices, like Samsung S3,S4, Galaxy Tab 2,.. perform so crappy compared to Apple's that reasonable person does not understand how is somebody prepared to give same money for Samsung device as for Apple's.
- majority of Samsung's customers are ignorant people being persuaded mainly from mobile operator staff being bribed under the table and sometimes forced by management due to lower subsidies, being stupid enough to do this knowing that they earn much less with data transfer later
- Samsung has very large percentage of premium users being Apple haters, frustrated from young age not being willing to pay more for Mac computers as for wintel crap, being computer "experts", calculating Gb and GHz from young age and trying to impress some less fortunate girls and of course: they NEVER did anything useful on computer...
What is clear to me is also following:
- smartphone introduction period is not yet over, but it's coming to an end
- during that period majority of people were just buying smartphones
- as smartphone usage matures, people will start to look at it more seriously and caring more and more about quality
- this will bring problems for company like Samsung, and open new opportunity for APple. Samsung is the one with problems on horizon, not Apple, because Samsung cannot either innovate or bring on the market high quality product for a reasonable price.
Samsung can innovate. But they can't...I don't know the word but a lot of their cool features are pretty much useless no matter how smart they may be. Useless.or half baked.
Samsung is a bane on the smartphone sector.
Originally Posted by realitychecks
I'm being contributory…
We have quite a different definition of "contributory".
Samsung's CEO copies Jobs style in many aspects. However, as you know, Asian at large tend to be copy cats. I know it because I am an Asian. We tend to be specialized in copying ideas and products and make them better. But remember, Rolls Royce is much better product than Hundai Sonata. I never compared the number but I guess Hundai cars are sold in much more volume than those of Rolls Royce in both short and long terms. This is the kind of things that Cook should say in public responding to those articles like Jobs did.
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Originally Posted by okubo
He need to realize what Jobs has done in terms of publicity. He could say that Jobs had a natural talent for it.
Uh-huh.
Originally Posted by okubo
Isn't that what Apple did sometimes?
No. Period.
But Cook has not done any work in that area to public.
Your proof of this being what? Ignoring everything done since Jobs died? Great proof.
He seems to keep working as he used to be under Jobs to us. That's his fault.
On the contrary, it's what makes him great. It's his "fault" that he's performing the task at which he's phenomenal?
He need to realize what Jobs has done in terms of publicity.
OH GEEZ I HOPE HE SEES YOUR SINGLE POST ON THIS SINGLE WEBSITE, OTHERWISE THERE'S NO WAY HE COULD POSSIBLY HA—I can't keep this up.
This is the kind of things that Cook should say in public responding to those articles like Jobs did.
That's the exact opposite of anything Cook should say in public.