Is this a hoax?

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  • Reply 121 of 150
    junkyard dawgjunkyard dawg Posts: 2,801member
    That 133 MHz bus is odd...would Apple move to DDR and keep the that same damn 133 MHz bus speed? Since Apple likes to milk mobo designs for so long, it seems like they would want to use a faster bus so it wouldn't be obsolete the day it came out.



    But then, this is the new Apple, where performance doesn't matter.
  • Reply 122 of 150
    The bus speed isn't odd. If the board uses DDR 266, then it must have a 133 Mhz bus.
  • Reply 123 of 150
    applenutapplenut Posts: 5,768member
    [quote]Originally posted by Dennis the Phantom Menace:

    <strong>The bus speed isn't odd. If the board uses DDR 266, then it must have a 133 Mhz bus.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    not for the system bus
  • Reply 124 of 150
    g-newsg-news Posts: 1,107member
    Also Intel today just came out with The new P4 at 2.53GHz and a 533MHz bus speed, 1066MHZ RDRAM speeds.



    That's 4x133 bus right there, maybe we'll get that too, in ten years or so.



    BTW, the P4 beats the Athlon XP 2100+ everywhere, now there's another company palying catch-up, w're not alone



    G-News
  • Reply 125 of 150
    programmerprogrammer Posts: 3,457member
    [quote]Originally posted by applenut:

    <strong>not for the system bus</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Yes for the system bus... they could build leading/trailing edge transfers into the MPX protocol, which might be easier than doubling the clock rate of a bus with all of those lines.
  • Reply 126 of 150
    tekwrtrtekwrtr Posts: 2member
    [quote]Originally posted by mistermacmike:

    <strong>Undoubtedly I made several errors in the illustration. But I should say that it does no justice to the 3-dimensional world we live in. Remember that the heat sink could easily extend 4 inches up from the board itself since there appears to be nothing blocking it from entering the depths of the case. </strong><hr></blockquote>



    True, but what I am saying is that the heatsink I held will never fit in the current G4 case. 4 inches up from the board is not enough, let alone the additionaly length and width. These processors ran HOT, hot enough to discolor the bottom of the sink. IMO this prototype is not ready for primetime.
  • Reply 127 of 150
    maskermasker Posts: 451member
    I have to wager that this is a fake.



    Here's why...







    Crucify me if I'm wrong but, I know color alterations of images, and this has tell-tale signs of fakery.



    Shrug. PS In the image I meant to say "six PCI slots."



    MSKR



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  • Reply 128 of 150
    marcsirymarcsiry Posts: 27member
    [quote]Crucify me if I'm wrong but, I know color alterations of images, and this has tell-tale signs of fakery.<hr></blockquote>



    Ain't gonna crucify you, Maskr, since you probably work with high end imagery and not crappy squashed stuff like us web guys.



    JPEG compression works by taking chunks of pixels and reducing the palette within those chunks. In a large field of noisy pixels, it's usually relatively benign. It's on the edges between two colors where you get very distinct artifacts as the algorithm tries to find a happy medium.



    See any anomalous pixels in my example below?



    (I originally saved it with agressive JPG compression-10 out of 100 in Photoshop Save For Web- but resaved the example as a GIF to avoid recompressing and creating more, unnecessary artifacts).



    Good observation, though.
  • Reply 129 of 150
    g-newsg-news Posts: 1,107member
    Even if the color is fake, the hardware obviously isn't, nobody would spend so much time to draw all the lines, wires, place all the chips, connectors etc, and have it stil look that real.

    Even if the board could initially have been green, that hardware is real, and it's totally different to any Mac mainboard out there.



    I'd have to give BIG kudos to the man who faked this picture. Frankly, I don't think it's fake.



    (Which doesn't mean I think its the thing that's going to ship soon)



    G-news
  • Reply 130 of 150
    matsumatsu Posts: 6,558member
    Then again, someone had the time to make an iWalk, just to watch us ssalivate.
  • Reply 131 of 150
    vinney57vinney57 Posts: 1,162member
    WWDC: Apple to introduce rackmount server on May 14th; mystery over.
  • Reply 132 of 150
    g-newsg-news Posts: 1,107member
    Just that I never believed in the iWalk...it was obviously a fake, if you took of the pink shines some many PDA lovers here are wearing.



    G_News
  • Reply 133 of 150
    [quote]

    Also Intel today just came out with The new P4 at 2.53GHz and a 533MHz bus speed, 1066MHZ RDRAM speeds.

    That's 4x133 bus right there, maybe we'll get that too, in ten years or so.

    <hr></blockquote>

    It's not really a 533 Mhz bus. It's actually a 133 Mhz bus that was "quad-pumped". This means that data is read and/or written 4x per cycle.
  • Reply 134 of 150
    addisonaddison Posts: 1,185member
    Wether it is the rackmounter server board or not makes no difference. the FACT is Apple had the image removed, hat makes it real. But a real what?
  • Reply 135 of 150
    matsumatsu Posts: 6,558member
    And remember that that RD-DRAM bus is only 16bits wide.
  • Reply 136 of 150
    stoostoo Posts: 1,490member
    AFAIK, the 533MHz bus is clocked by two 133MHz clock signals 180° out of phase, with data transmitted on the rising and falling edges of both clock pulses.



    Is this also how AGP 4x works? How about AGP 8x?
  • Reply 137 of 150
    I agree now it is real...
  • Reply 138 of 150
    this is a fake ! a fake I say !!



    the componets placement has no order !



    those ide slots are totally stupid !



    the power connector is out of place



    you can see dropshadows of every item !



    this is a fake.... a fake I tell you !



    look those fake shadows from the ram and PCI slots !



    the lightning from the table is not the same from the board.. the board is much brighter. just compare those real Mobo pics and you will see that this is a fake.. totaly fake



    and those tin can capacitors are totally out of place.. the power regulators too..



    please, forget about this hoax.. it's a fake.
  • Reply 139 of 150
    and about bus clock..



    every athlon mobo that has DDR-266 has 133mhz double pumped.. it means the signal is double used.. both up and down transients are used as a bit.. and the bus is 32 bits...

    the ddr-266 bus is a 64-bit bus, and those nVidia chipsets can pair 2 slots and make a virtual 128-bit DDR slot...



    on the p4, the RDRAM is only 16bits... so 1066mhz x 16bits equals a 266mhz x 64 bits. the bus is 533 mhz, but I don't know details from this bus.... sorry



    what I am trying to tell is that intel is pushing high numbers, and not performance. the boards using DDR-266, at 64-bits is equal to a 1066mhz, at 16 bits !.. and the nvidia board that can do 128-bits x DDR-266 as double the memory performance, with lower numbers... intel fools everyone with fake numbers... and it hurts apple too..
  • Reply 140 of 150
    andersanders Posts: 6,523member
    Re. the iWalk. They fooled noone. From it came up on spymac until the first doubt it took about 30 seconds. And until it was declared fake by anyone it took less than 15 minutes. Go find the old thread and discover that the "production time/total time of believing among all" ratio must have been &gt;1. Well done but noone can fool the AI collective <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
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