Microsoft caught lying about tablet size in comparison to Apple's iPad

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  • Reply 61 of 97
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member

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    Originally Posted by HiroPro View Post



    M$ is being honest and is RIGHT.



    The Asus tablet at 10.1 and a true resolution of 1366 x 768 is 33% greater than the 1024 x 768 that content is rendered then upscaled to retina resolution.



    Load a webpage on each device side by side Machead and notice the Windows Asus tablet is displaying 33% more of the page.



    God you people have got to be the stupidest userbase in all of computing including the original article author and this moron parroting it.


    The whole purpose of Retina iPad is to show everything more clearly especially the type. Showing more of the web page is useless if the fonts are only a micron in height. Apple is scaling the page to make the fonts crisp but still large enough to read. BTW there is this little technique called pinch to zoom.


     


    Oh and welcome to AI with an excellent first post /s

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  • Reply 62 of 97
    hiroprohiropro Posts: 4member

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    Originally Posted by tribalogical View Post


     


    Except for the text of the ad that says the ASUS "has a bigger touchscreen" when it clearly doesn't? And why reference You Tube? Microsoft has all the egregious nonsense right on their own website:


     


    http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/compare#t1=asus-vivotab-smart


     


     





    Can you please share where on the webpage M$ says "has a bigger touchscreen"?


     


    Do you not realize that the iPad renders everything at 1024x768 then simply upscales to "retina" resolution?


     


    If you load the same webpage on both devices you will clearly see the Windows 8 device has 33% more of the webpage displayed and thus doesn't require nearly the same pinch to zoom BS to read the page.

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  • Reply 63 of 97
    gvissergvisser Posts: 6member


    > The iPad: 185.67x241.3, the other thing: 170.18x261.62.


    Where did you get these measurements?


     


    iPad 185.7 * 241.2 = 44,790.8 from http://www.apple.com/ipad/specs/


    VivoTab 171 * 262.5 = 44,887.5 from http://www.asus.com/Tablets_Mobile/ASUS_VivoTab_Smart/#specifications

     


    But then this method does not take into account rounded corners or the thickness of the frame.

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  • Reply 64 of 97
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member

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    Originally Posted by HiroPro View Post




    Do you not realize that the iPad renders everything at 1024x768 then simply upscales to "retina" resolution?



    You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. There is no general set of principles as you keep harping on of the 1024 x 768. There are several issues to consider. 


     


    1) Apps use a GUI separate from the web and are rendered at full resolution.


    2) Text is resolution independent and is rendered at full resolution at every zoom level


    3) Some web developers are programming with conditional logic to deliver higher resolution photos to Retina devices.


     


    Now you should leave or find a new talking point.

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  • Reply 65 of 97
    pratabpratab Posts: 1member
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  • Reply 66 of 97
    vl-tonevl-tone Posts: 337member

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    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post





    Where the **** do those people come from? If not for internet forums I wouldn't believe such people exist outside of gated facilities with padded rooms.


    Yeah, I was wondering the exact same thing, as I pondered if I should have wasted my time replying. 

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  • Reply 67 of 97
    vl-tonevl-tone Posts: 337member

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    Originally Posted by HiroPro View Post


    Do you not realize that the iPad renders everything at 1024x768 then simply upscales to "retina" resolution?



    This is simply not true and your webpage rendering example is irrelevant to this fact.


     


    It's weird how multiple posters are spreading this false notion recently. Is this a new "talking point" as MS used to call them?

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  • Reply 68 of 97
    timbittimbit Posts: 331member
    Did any of you notice Microsofts' statement at the bottom? "Images may not be to scale"

    Yup, MS did that. Just to cover their butt. Most people won't see that and assume the Asus is better. That's bad marketing, but technically legal.
    http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/compare#t1=asus-vivotab-smart

    Edit: noticed it's already been mentioned
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  • Reply 69 of 97
    jragostajragosta Posts: 10,473member
    kdarling wrote: »
    <span style="line-height:1.231;">The ad was clearly talking about viewing multiple apps on the same screen.  (They showed Outlook being used at the same time as viewing a video.)</span>

    Then why didn't they say that? Instead, they said "I can only do one thing at a time" which is clearly false.

    The fact that you, in your Apple-hating style, want to pretend that it meant something different is not a defense. Telling lies in advertising is wrong - no matter how many Apple-haters deny it.
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  • Reply 70 of 97
    rogifanrogifan Posts: 10,669member
    kdarling wrote: »
    <span style="line-height:1.231;">The ad was clearly talking about viewing multiple apps on the same screen.  (They showed Outlook being used at the same time as viewing a video.)</span>


    <img alt="" class="lightbox-enabled" data-id="25508" data-type="61" height="314" src="http://forums.appleinsider.com/content/type/61/id/25508/width/500/height/1000/flags/LL" style="; width: 500px; height: 314px;" width="500">



    You really think that'll happen?
    Because people can read emails and watch videos on the same screen at the same time. What, your left eye is reading the email an your right eye is watching the video? MS could have come up with a better/more realistic mutitask there.
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  • Reply 71 of 97
    rogifanrogifan Posts: 10,669member
    jragosta wrote: »
    Then why didn't they say that? Instead, they said "I can only do one thing at a time" which is clearly false.

    The fact that you, in your Apple-hating style, want to pretend that it meant something different is not a defense. Telling lies in advertising is wrong - no matter how many Apple-haters deny it.
    Amazing how many people show up here with some sort of duty to correct what they feel are misstatements about other companies. As if AI was Wikipedia or an encyclopedia. Of course they're rarely seen on Apple threads that don't mention the competition.
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  • Reply 72 of 97
    kdarlingkdarling Posts: 1,640member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jragosta View Post



    Then why didn't they say that? Instead, they said "I can only do one thing at a time" which is clearly false.



    The fact that you, in your Apple-hating style, want to pretend that it meant something different is not a defense. Telling lies in advertising is wrong - no matter how many Apple-haters deny it.


     


    Seriously, what is wrong with you, that you cannot hold a conversation without resorting to personal attacks?   It's as if you're so unsure of your own opinion, that you have to preemptively diss everyone else's.


     


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    Originally Posted by Rogifan View Post



    Because people can read emails and watch videos on the same screen at the same time. What, your left eye is reading the email an your right eye is watching the video? MS could have come up with a better/more realistic mutitask there.


     


    You're probably right (although I do often have TV news on and work at the same time).  What do you suggest as a better demo?


     


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    Originally Posted by Rogifan View Post



    Amazing how many people show up here with some sort of duty to correct what they feel are misstatements about other companies. As if AI was Wikipedia or an encyclopedia. Of course they're rarely seen on Apple threads that don't mention the competition.


     


    What's even more amazing (and sad), are the internet bullies here who seem totally clueless how childish they sound calling people "trolls" whenever they don't like what they say.  On any other forum, they would've been banned long ago.

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  • Reply 73 of 97
    hiroprohiropro Posts: 4member

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    Originally Posted by mstone View Post


    You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. There is no general set of principles as you keep harping on of the 1024 x 768. There are several issues to consider. 


     


    1) Apps use a GUI separate from the web and are rendered at full resolution.


    2) Text is resolution independent and is rendered at full resolution at every zoom level


    3) Some web developers are programming with conditional logic to deliver higher resolution photos to Retina devices.


     


    Now you should leave or find a new talking point.



     






    1) what the hell are you talking about here? Are you saying Safari is using a different "GUI" or compositing engine?


    2) what the hell are you talking about again... fonts have a fixed pixel matrix pal and devs use webfonts with @font-face HTML5 feature enabled 90% of the time and CSS @media selectors for pages rendered to iOS devices


    3) pathetic attempt to sound like you know WTF you're talking about but clearly you show as an average luser machead with no technical knowledge what so ever.

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  • Reply 74 of 97
    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,992member
    jragosta wrote: »
    Then why didn't they say that? Instead, they said "I can only do one thing at a time" which is clearly false.

    Especially as Siri is doing one thing, as the iPad is doing another.

    Hey Microsoft, that's two things at once, thanks for the demonstration.

    ;)
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  • Reply 75 of 97
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by HiroPro View Post




    1) what the hell are you talking about here? Are you saying Safari is using a different "GUI" or compositing engine?


    2) what the hell are you talking about again... fonts have a fixed pixel matrix pal and devs use webfonts with @font-face HTML5 feature enabled 90% of the time and CSS @media selectors for pages rendered to iOS devices


    3) pathetic attempt to sound like you know WTF you're talking about but clearly you show as an average luser machead with no technical knowledge what so ever.



    No comment. Just put on the blindfold, the firing squad is assembling. You are history in 1,2,3 well maybe 4 but clearly no response is required of me at this point. Goodbye.

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  • Reply 76 of 97
    b9botb9bot Posts: 238member
    Microsoft also draws attention to the fact that "the only consumer Office app the iPad can run is OneNote. Another lie in there advertising, iWork is available that does the same as Office does as well. So basically there whole commercial comparison is lie after lie. But when you have no real products that can compete, this is the only thing left for Microsoft to do is lie!
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  • Reply 77 of 97
    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,992member
    b9bot wrote: »
    Microsoft also draws attention to the fact that "the only consumer Office app the iPad can run is OneNote. Another lie in there advertising, iWork is available that does the same as Office does as well. So basically there whole commercial comparison is lie after lie. But when you have no real products that can compete, this is the only thing left for Microsoft to do is lie!

    They specify "Microsoft Office", I was thinking along the same lines then double checked their site.
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  • Reply 78 of 97
    timgriff84timgriff84 Posts: 912member


    The page has changed now but if MS did say the ASUS has a "bigger screen" then they were wrong. But I'm generally willing to give people the benefit of the doubt and believe that the person who wrote it though because the diagonal is larger the screen was bigger.


     


    The AI article though is far far far more misleading though.


     


    Mentioning the Retina display resolution is makes it sound like more fit's on the screen. But as quite a few people have mentioned, it doesn't! It simply means the pixels are clearer assuming the images used are at an increased size, which for most webpages they aren't. Text is always clearer though. The ASUS however is going to show more on the screen.


     


    Saying Skydrive is available for the iPad making the total online storage 12GB is first of all just being argumentative. There's also Dropbox, Google Drive etc for both making it even higher. But more importantly it's just wrong. The iPad has a Skydrive app but nothing else on the iPad can use the storage unless the app individually adds the functionality. On Win8 Skydrive is integrated with the file system so every app automatically can use it. That's a huge fundamental difference.


     


    Lastly stating the efforts have failed to gain traction is also a bit weird considering Win8 is selling as fast as Win7. And Win8 tablets achieved 7% market share in Q1 up from 0%.


     


    I'm all for articles that point out companies making mistakes, but don't ruin all credibility by including a load of crap that's so misleading and borderline on not being true.

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  • Reply 79 of 97
    timgriff84timgriff84 Posts: 912member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by b9bot View Post



    Microsoft also draws attention to the fact that "the only consumer Office app the iPad can run is OneNote. Another lie in there advertising, iWork is available that does the same as Office does as well. So basically there whole commercial comparison is lie after lie. But when you have no real products that can compete, this is the only thing left for Microsoft to do is lie!


    "Does the same as Office does as well" - Seriously? Does pages now have smart art? Does numbers have flashfill and macros? Can you build an entire application on numbers?


     


    I think you mean does the same as Office does as well, assuming you are a 14 year old child doing some homework and just want to change the font and spell check.

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  • Reply 80 of 97
    MacPromacpro Posts: 19,873member
    kdarling wrote: »
    <span style="line-height:1.231;">The ad was clearly talking about viewing multiple apps on the same screen.  (They showed Outlook being used at the same time as viewing a video.)</span>


    <img alt="" class="lightbox-enabled" data-id="25508" data-type="61" height="314" src="http://forums.appleinsider.com/content/type/61/id/25508/width/500/height/1000/flags/LL" style="; width: 500px; height: 314px;" width="500">



    You really think that'll happen?

    I'm genuinely curious. What blogs to you post on where you actually like the products discussed there?
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