A lot of people don't have a clue that a 5" phone wouldn't allow them to "not carry two devices".
Totally wrong.
Why are they buying then phones with larger displays? Between 4" and 5"? I'm excluding tablets, of course. I think I know why they are buying them, but this is a case of medical professionals which I am not.
Really? Would that not be the same type of number that Samsung and the rest release?
If Apple has inventory sitting on shelves just like everyone else how does that make their reporting numbers any different? They are all reporting units shipped including apple. All of them have sold them to someone be it an end user or a reseller including apple.
The myth has been busted.
Samsung et. al. do not post numbers, they post revenue that includes many product categories.
Analysts GUESS what the numbers are, and don't guess what the channel inventory is.
Apple actually posts its REAL numbers, and breaks out its channel inventory.
See the difference?
There's also the fact that when Apple releases a product, it's a scarce commodity for quite sometime.
Maybe it's your argument (which is not relevant at all to this thread; strikes me more as a shill post) that's "busted".
Why are they buying then phones with larger displays? Between 4" and 5"? I'm excluding tablets, of course. I think I know why they are buying them, but this is a case of medical professionals which I am not.
What Apple could do with both its laptops and iDevices is offer an EL (for Extended Life) model that's a bit thicker but doubles the battery life. The design requirements for that would be trivial.
What Apple could do with both its laptops and iDevices is offer an EL (for Extended Life) model that's a bit thicker but doubles the battery life. The design requirements for that would be trivial.
We forget that Apple is a small, tight company that designs and sells a lot of a limited number of things. They can't spread their focus over more devices, like Tim said, without really compelling reasons, like their normally really great other products. What you describe wouldn't make the cut.
Maybe after they get the new HQ going and staffed with new brilliant people (not that easy to find), things will change, They're still working out of temporary quarters.
What Apple could do with both its laptops and iDevices is offer an EL (for Extended Life) model that's a bit thicker but doubles the battery life. The design requirements for that would be trivial.
To this, Cook said, "A large screen today comes with a lot of tradeoffs. Customers are clearly looking at the size, but they also look at things like 'do the photos show the proper color? The white balance, the reflectivity, battery life. The longevity of the display.'" According to Cook, customers want Apple to weigh those benefits and make a decision as to what is best.
Tim Cook is so full of shit he doesn't even know it!
More out of touch than full of shit I reckon. But what he said here was rather ridiculous. Steve Jobs was quoted in his biography as saying that Tim Cook isn't a product guy...might explain some things then.
So a bigger screen, regardless of quality, is the only metric for a smartphone's desirability. Got it.
Even if it's a washed out contrast with yellow cast that only lasts two hours. Still bigger.
Inkling
What Apple could do with both its laptops and iDevices is offer an EL (for Extended Life) model that's a bit thicker but doubles the battery life. The design requirements for that would be trivial.
What Apple could do with both its laptops and iDevices is offer an EL (for Extended Life) model that's a bit thicker but doubles the battery life. The design requirements for that would be trivial.
More SKUs is not a good thing.
From a consumer standpoint, a company offering a myriad of choices is a good thing. But that doesn't translate to business success.
Rarely in business can you succeed by trying to be all things to all people. Apple has proved that focusing on a few truly good ideas and ignoring others works well. No doubt Apple either is or will be the primary case study for those studying business, just like Toyota's JIT model is for operations studies.
So a bigger screen, regardless of quality, is the only metric for a smartphone's desirability. Got it.
Even if it's a washed out contrast with yellow cast that only lasts two hours. Still bigger.
Yes, getting a Mophie case is trivial.
As for laptops, Haswell should do the trick.
Maybe we need a "MPG" equivalent for smartphones, since battery life can be artificially kept high due to larger batteries.
Then maybe these inefficient phablets can do the way of the Hummer H2.
Feature phones can do apps, email and web, they have for a decade now. Maybe not that well, but the distinction between a smart phone and feature phone just by what it can do is pretty fuzzy.
A smart phone can do everything easily, while a feature phone has a really dumb UI and if you press enough keys in the right order you can do some of the things a smart phone can do too.
Right... when a person interacts with their phone, which nowadays usually means browsing, email, texting, and games, it is "proper color" and "white balance" that's on their minds. Laughable! Imagine Steve Jobs utter such nonsense. Never! What a customer actually feels is this: "This screen is too shitty tiny for most stuff I'm actually doing on my phone"
I wouldn't say that it's complete nonsense, and I think Jobs would notice that it isn't. The iPhone's maximum brightness is far higher than most phones with larger screens, and that does make a difference when you're trying to use your phone outdoors.
(That said, I have a Galaxy Nexus, because I prefer the larger screen to the occasional problems using it in bright light.)
As for white balance and color depth and all that, though, I'm inclined to agree. When I do browse my phone photos, I do it on my desktop monitor, not on the phone itself.
... From a consumer standpoint, a company offering a myriad of choices is a good thing. ....
Not really. Too much choice can be a bad thing for consumers. Part of the reason Apple has such high customer satisfaction is almost certainly the limited choices the consumer has to make when buying Apple products.
Maybe. But I would rather say they feel 4" is inadequate. I see far to many people with S3 and S4 to say there are just few of them feeling inadequate, although most of them with broken glass, showing poor quality of the product. Seems to me Apple will slaughter this segment when it comes out with larger iPhone.
Not really. Too much choice can be a bad thing for consumers. Part of the reason Apple has such high customer satisfaction is almost certainly the limited choices the consumer has to make when buying Apple products.
Well, if we bring the "non adecnotal" sales numbers or market shares, you will reject them too. I think some people here are just in pure denial of evidence coming from all fronts. BTW I travel pretty often and work in a environment that is favorable in gaging those kind of "trends".
And yet, if each individual just picked whichever phone best fits their personal needs, there wouldn't be any problem here. Who really makes their purchase decision based on market share? Well, plenty of people, unfortunately. Or they pick whatever seems popular within their social circle, building a false consensus about global market share. Either way, it's being uninformed and insecure, needing the implied reassurance of others to help decide.
We really can go on all day about which platform gives a richer experience, but everyone is different. Some care about screen size over all other concerns. But looking at the big picture, we're all using devices that are nearly magic.
"This feature is more important!"
"No, this one is!"
When did people start sucking so bad at separating fact from opinion? Add "to me" at the end of those sentences, and suddenly everything is much more reasonable.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
A lot of people don't have a clue that a 5" phone wouldn't allow them to "not carry two devices".
Totally wrong.
Why are they buying then phones with larger displays? Between 4" and 5"? I'm excluding tablets, of course. I think I know why they are buying them, but this is a case of medical professionals which I am not.
Samsung et. al. do not post numbers, they post revenue that includes many product categories.
Analysts GUESS what the numbers are, and don't guess what the channel inventory is.
Apple actually posts its REAL numbers, and breaks out its channel inventory.
See the difference?
There's also the fact that when Apple releases a product, it's a scarce commodity for quite sometime.
Maybe it's your argument (which is not relevant at all to this thread; strikes me more as a shill post) that's "busted".
Go away.
Maybe they feel inadequate.
We forget that Apple is a small, tight company that designs and sells a lot of a limited number of things. They can't spread their focus over more devices, like Tim said, without really compelling reasons, like their normally really great other products. What you describe wouldn't make the cut.
Maybe after they get the new HQ going and staffed with new brilliant people (not that easy to find), things will change, They're still working out of temporary quarters.
Originally Posted by Inkling
What Apple could do with both its laptops and iDevices is offer an EL (for Extended Life) model that's a bit thicker but doubles the battery life. The design requirements for that would be trivial.
Could, but shouldn't.
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MJ Web
To this, Cook said, "A large screen today comes with a lot of tradeoffs. Customers are clearly looking at the size, but they also look at things like 'do the photos show the proper color? The white balance, the reflectivity, battery life. The longevity of the display.'" According to Cook, customers want Apple to weigh those benefits and make a decision as to what is best.
Tim Cook is so full of shit he doesn't even know it!
More out of touch than full of shit I reckon. But what he said here was rather ridiculous. Steve Jobs was quoted in his biography as saying that Tim Cook isn't a product guy...might explain some things then.
So a bigger screen, regardless of quality, is the only metric for a smartphone's desirability. Got it.
Even if it's a washed out contrast with yellow cast that only lasts two hours. Still bigger.
Inkling
What Apple could do with both its laptops and iDevices is offer an EL (for Extended Life) model that's a bit thicker but doubles the battery life. The design requirements for that would be trivial.
Yes, getting a Mophie case is trivial.
As for laptops, Haswell should do the trick.
Why do people keep trying to get Apple to improve on perfection?
They're the most profitable business in the world for a reason. Trust them that they know what they're doing.
More SKUs is not a good thing.
From a consumer standpoint, a company offering a myriad of choices is a good thing. But that doesn't translate to business success.
Rarely in business can you succeed by trying to be all things to all people. Apple has proved that focusing on a few truly good ideas and ignoring others works well. No doubt Apple either is or will be the primary case study for those studying business, just like Toyota's JIT model is for operations studies.
Maybe we need a "MPG" equivalent for smartphones, since battery life can be artificially kept high due to larger batteries.
Then maybe these inefficient phablets can do the way of the Hummer H2.
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Originally Posted by JeffDM
Feature phones can do apps, email and web, they have for a decade now. Maybe not that well, but the distinction between a smart phone and feature phone just by what it can do is pretty fuzzy.
A smart phone can do everything easily, while a feature phone has a really dumb UI and if you press enough keys in the right order you can do some of the things a smart phone can do too.
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Originally Posted by jobsisgod
Why do people keep trying to get Apple to improve on perfection?
They're the most profitable business in the world for a reason. Trust them that they know what they're doing.
To many people Apple is just like God; they don't trust either one to do what they want without leaning over their shoulder, trying to help.
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Originally Posted by matrix07
Yeah. It's busted because of one link on the web. There's thousand links that claimed Elvis still alive. :roll eyes:
But...but...but...Elvis IS alive... isn't he??? I mean, who else could the fat guy in Denny's at 2 a.m. be, but The King!!!
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Originally Posted by enature
Right... when a person interacts with their phone, which nowadays usually means browsing, email, texting, and games, it is "proper color" and "white balance" that's on their minds. Laughable! Imagine Steve Jobs utter such nonsense. Never! What a customer actually feels is this: "This screen is too shitty tiny for most stuff I'm actually doing on my phone"
I wouldn't say that it's complete nonsense, and I think Jobs would notice that it isn't. The iPhone's maximum brightness is far higher than most phones with larger screens, and that does make a difference when you're trying to use your phone outdoors.
(That said, I have a Galaxy Nexus, because I prefer the larger screen to the occasional problems using it in bright light.)
As for white balance and color depth and all that, though, I'm inclined to agree. When I do browse my phone photos, I do it on my desktop monitor, not on the phone itself.
Not really. Too much choice can be a bad thing for consumers. Part of the reason Apple has such high customer satisfaction is almost certainly the limited choices the consumer has to make when buying Apple products.
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Originally Posted by jungmark
Maybe they feel inadequate.
Maybe. But I would rather say they feel 4" is inadequate. I see far to many people with S3 and S4 to say there are just few of them feeling inadequate, although most of them with broken glass, showing poor quality of the product. Seems to me Apple will slaughter this segment when it comes out with larger iPhone.
Fair enough.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
LIKE. EFFING. CLOCKWORK.
Well, if we bring the "non adecnotal" sales numbers or market shares, you will reject them too. I think some people here are just in pure denial of evidence coming from all fronts. BTW I travel pretty often and work in a environment that is favorable in gaging those kind of "trends".
And yet, if each individual just picked whichever phone best fits their personal needs, there wouldn't be any problem here. Who really makes their purchase decision based on market share? Well, plenty of people, unfortunately. Or they pick whatever seems popular within their social circle, building a false consensus about global market share. Either way, it's being uninformed and insecure, needing the implied reassurance of others to help decide.
We really can go on all day about which platform gives a richer experience, but everyone is different. Some care about screen size over all other concerns. But looking at the big picture, we're all using devices that are nearly magic.
"This feature is more important!"
"No, this one is!"
When did people start sucking so bad at separating fact from opinion? Add "to me" at the end of those sentences, and suddenly everything is much more reasonable.