The invention isn't the important part it's the implementation of inventions that really matters. So far Apple has been able to out-implement everybody. You have to at least give them credit for the ecosystem they've created.
Actually, that won't last long due to Samsung's rise to prominence as a consumer electronics company.
Although Samsung does most *cough* (all of the inventing), Samsung rarely implements their own tech into their own consumer devices, as they are also a manufacturer, meaning they need to ensure that all the output of the machines for a particular tech they've invented reach their clients. A few years back, only Apple had that prominence, so the supplies would have some form of Apple priority.
With Samsung outstripping Apple in demand, Samsung can be sure that their OWN devices have the demand necessary to maximize their machines' capacities.
Both Apple and Dell order tech from their suppliers and then assembles them into a product.
Dell and Apple focus on macro elements for their devices. They get to control what their devices look like, how big it is, etc. The tech comes from Samsung, LG, Japanese & Taiwanese suppliers.
I don't see the difference except for the branding.
Apple has a lot of its own IP in most of the components they use...
Battery
LCD
Multi-touch digitizer
CPU
ISP
SoC
Antenna
memory controller
operating system
circuit boards
power supplies
internal fans
...and probably many more I'm forgetting.
Yes, some things they do buy, just as most others do, but you misunderstand that just because Apple doesn't actually manufacture them, doesn't mean they're not Apple's IP.
Apple has also been known for a very long time now to partner with companies to develop technology to meet Apple's needs. The biggest partnership to date was probably with Acorn and VLSI to create the ARM CPU, which was designed for mobile, more specifically the Newton.
Why was it that the Samsung display on a particular macbook model was far superior to the LG's display on the SAME macbook model?
Because the displays that came from Samsung were from Samsung's manufacturing tech while the displays that came from LG were from LG's manufacturing tech.
Face it, Apple doesn't engineer jackshit. That's Samsung's job.
Wrong, foundries =/= designing, hence why Apple can have its proprietary displays, chips, etc manufactured anywhere. Some manufactures do a better job.
There's nothing wrong with being a consumer electronics company. After all, someone HAS to assemble tech into a consumer product.
It may not require high intelligence like what IBM and Samsung does, but it's still a necessary component in our economy and lives.
Be proud that Apple has an excellent marketing team and that it can draw the best-looking rectangles. Be proud of it! There's nothing wrong with not having the intelligence and knowledge to design your own LCD screen, so you have to rely on your archnemesis to provide them for you. Nothing wrong at all.
I think many people don't understand that there's a difference between Apple and Samsung's patents.
Apple's patents are mainly broad, generic designs that take $0 in R&D costs.
Samsung's patents deal with REAL technological progress such as 4G LTE and wireless communication. This is why Samsung's patents are VALID while Apple's isn't, and why courts are upholding Samsung's patents while rejecting Apple's.
I needed a laugh. Thanks. Make sure you get a cashiers check from Sammy.
Still waiting for that imaginary list of next-gen tech that Apple is working on.
5G - Samsung
Flexible Displays - Samsung
OLED - Samsung
Memory - Samsung
IC - Samsung
Battery - Samsung
The list goes on...
Here's Apple's take on it:
Wait for Samsung to develop all those technology, buy them in large amounts, then rebrand them so that Apple customers think Apple invented them.
This is good...the onion good. What happened was Apple time traveled to after Sammy made then GS3 and the traveled back to make the original iPhone.
Honestly, it wouldn't take much for Apple to get Samsung's products banned.
All Apple has to do is start investing in next-gen tech so that they actually INVENT something for once.
Samsung is already on its way to building 5G infrastructure. If Apple beats Samsung to that goal post, then Apple could use their invention to block Samsung devices if Samsung build 5G devices.
5G will be developed by a host of companies, just like any standard.
It's disappointing when you interject crazy language in there because I'm sure you have a good point somewhere.
His point is "Apple has never done anything, ever, at any time, and simply steals ideas from others and lies about them with marketing to sell overpriced crap".
With Samsung outstripping Apple in demand, Samsung can be sure that their OWN devices have the demand necessary to maximize their machines' capacities.
Samsung is hardly outstripping Apple in demand. Samsung is merely flooding the market with devices they made from stock piles of components they manufactured for their clients that were rejected or over-produced.
Still waiting for that imaginary list of next-gen tech that Apple is working on.
5G - Samsung
Flexible Displays - Samsung
OLED - Samsung
Memory - Samsung
IC - Samsung
Battery - Samsung
The list goes on...
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Here's Apple's take on it:
Wait for Samsung to develop all those technology, buy them in large amounts, then rebrand them so tihat Apple customers think Apple invented them.
LMAO
Samsung does not even own or control its own OS and software platform
It has no content ecosystem
Samsung will now be using Intel in its tablets. Produced from Intel plants
IC and batteries are largely commodities produced by several vendors
5G has many contributors. And, It won't be live for another 20 years at best
Who cares about flexible displays. Let's see Samsung take the lead and launch products with it
Wrong, foundries =/= designing, hence why Apple can have its proprietary displays, chips, etc manufactured anywhere. Some manufactures do a better job.
Except the retina display is a trademark, not a patent, giving my argument more credence.
You apparently have no understanding of the consumer electronics-manufacturer ecosystem, do you? Nor do you even seem to understand that it's the manufacturers who do all the designing. You can't just design something and expect it to work on a manufacturer's machines. According to your logic, Dominos' ovens are able to make Papa Johns' pizzas.
Each machine is specifically tailored to produce a certain output. The machines are built in mind to make the specified tech. That's the reason why it's the manufacturers who design the next-gen tech while the consumer electronics company go around to different manufacturers to find who has the tech that best fits their needs. That's how the current ecosystem works, as it is the most efficient allocation of resources.
If we go by your world, where Consumer Electronics companies like Apple and Dell design their own tech, then the manufacturers would need to build drastically different machines to accommodate for the different designs.
Except the retina display is a trademark, not a patent, giving my argument more credence.
You apparently have no understanding of the consumer electronics-manufacturer ecosystem, do you? Nor do you even seem to understand that it's the manufacturers who do all the designing. You can't just design something and expect it to work on a manufacturer's machines. <span style="font-size:13px;line-height:1.231;">According to your logic, Dominos' ovens are able to make Papa Johns' pizzas. </span>
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Each machine is specifically tailored to produce a certain output. The machines are built in mind to make the specified tech. That's the reason why it's the manufacturers who design the next-gen tech while the consumer electronics company go around to different manufacturers to find who has the tech that best fits their needs. That's how the current ecosystem works, as it is the most efficient allocation of resources.
If we go by your world, where Consumer Electronics companies like Apple and Dell design their own tech, then the manufacturers would need to build drastically different machines to accommodate for the different designs.
In your world, I suppose that construction workers are totally invent buildings, and architects have nothing to do with it right?
And Apple does have patents on retina displays, and on the software that makes it work (and not just shrink everything down).
Actually, that won't last long due to Samsung's rise to prominence as a consumer electronics company.
Although Samsung does most *cough* (all of the inventing), Samsung rarely implements their own tech into their own consumer devices, as they are also a manufacturer, meaning they need to ensure that all the output of the machines for a particular tech they've invented reach their clients. A few years back, only Apple had that prominence, so the supplies would have some form of Apple priority.
With Samsung outstripping Apple in demand, Samsung can be sure that their OWN devices have the demand necessary to maximize their machines' capacities.
Even if that's true, Apple is still Samsung's biggest client. If things keep going the way they are Samsung will have killed off their other clients/competitors. That would leave us in a world with only Apple and Samsung and frankly it's a world I would not like.
Samsung is hardly outstripping Apple in demand. Samsung is merely flooding the market with devices they made from stock piles of components they manufactured for their clients that were rejected or over-produced.
iPhone 5 sales in 1 quarter = 20 million
Galaxy S4 sales in less than 1 month = 10 million
I leave it to you to calculate which one has the higher average sales rate.
Except the retina display is a trademark, not a patent, giving my argument more credence.
You apparently have no understanding of the consumer electronics-manufacturer ecosystem, do you? Nor do you even seem to understand that it's the manufacturers who do all the designing. You can't just design something and expect it to work on a manufacturer's machines. <span style="font-size:13px;line-height:1.231;">According to your logic, Dominos' ovens are able to make Papa Johns' pizzas. </span>
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Each machine is specifically tailored to produce a certain output. The machines are built in mind to make the specified tech. That's the reason why it's the manufacturers who design the next-gen tech while the consumer electronics company go around to different manufacturers to find who has the tech that best fits their needs. That's how the current ecosystem works, as it is the most efficient allocation of resources.
If we go by your world, where Consumer Electronics companies like Apple and Dell design their own tech, then the manufacturers would need to build drastically different machines to accommodate for the different designs.
By the by, my company actually contracts out work to an Asian manufacturing company. We create the designs, specify the materials, specify the equipment, etc. Pure outsourcing. But apparently the manufacturer does everything. Maybe I can fire my design team.
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Originally Posted by dasanman69
The invention isn't the important part it's the implementation of inventions that really matters. So far Apple has been able to out-implement everybody. You have to at least give them credit for the ecosystem they've created.
Actually, that won't last long due to Samsung's rise to prominence as a consumer electronics company.
Although Samsung does most *cough* (all of the inventing), Samsung rarely implements their own tech into their own consumer devices, as they are also a manufacturer, meaning they need to ensure that all the output of the machines for a particular tech they've invented reach their clients. A few years back, only Apple had that prominence, so the supplies would have some form of Apple priority.
With Samsung outstripping Apple in demand, Samsung can be sure that their OWN devices have the demand necessary to maximize their machines' capacities.
Quote:
Originally Posted by JoshKar426
Both Apple and Dell order tech from their suppliers and then assembles them into a product.
Dell and Apple focus on macro elements for their devices. They get to control what their devices look like, how big it is, etc. The tech comes from Samsung, LG, Japanese & Taiwanese suppliers.
I don't see the difference except for the branding.
Apple has a lot of its own IP in most of the components they use...
Battery
LCD
Multi-touch digitizer
CPU
ISP
SoC
Antenna
memory controller
operating system
circuit boards
power supplies
internal fans
...and probably many more I'm forgetting.
Yes, some things they do buy, just as most others do, but you misunderstand that just because Apple doesn't actually manufacture them, doesn't mean they're not Apple's IP.
Apple has also been known for a very long time now to partner with companies to develop technology to meet Apple's needs. The biggest partnership to date was probably with Acorn and VLSI to create the ARM CPU, which was designed for mobile, more specifically the Newton.
Just report the posts, everyone. Don't waste time replying anymore.
Wrong, foundries =/= designing, hence why Apple can have its proprietary displays, chips, etc manufactured anywhere. Some manufactures do a better job.
Why do people here have such a problem with Dell?
There's nothing wrong with being a consumer electronics company. After all, someone HAS to assemble tech into a consumer product.
It may not require high intelligence like what IBM and Samsung does, but it's still a necessary component in our economy and lives.
Be proud that Apple has an excellent marketing team and that it can draw the best-looking rectangles. Be proud of it! There's nothing wrong with not having the intelligence and knowledge to design your own LCD screen, so you have to rely on your archnemesis to provide them for you. Nothing wrong at all.
I needed a laugh. Thanks. Make sure you get a cashiers check from Sammy.
This is good...the onion good. What happened was Apple time traveled to after Sammy made then GS3 and the traveled back to make the original iPhone.
Originally Posted by mrrodriguez
Usually you guys are quick to refute what people post about Apple but no one has refuted Josh's claims.
Come off it. Not only is this a complete lie (read the effing thread), only an idiot would believe what he's saying in the first place.
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Originally Posted by JoshKar426
Face it, Apple doesn't engineer jackshit. That's Samsung's job.
Wow, you sound angry.
It's disappointing when you interject crazy language in there because I'm sure you have a good point somewhere.
5G will be developed by a host of companies, just like any standard.
Originally Posted by drewys808
Wow, you sound angry.
It's disappointing when you interject crazy language in there because I'm sure you have a good point somewhere.
His point is "Apple has never done anything, ever, at any time, and simply steals ideas from others and lies about them with marketing to sell overpriced crap".
In short, he doesn't have a point.
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Originally Posted by JoshKar426
With Samsung outstripping Apple in demand, Samsung can be sure that their OWN devices have the demand necessary to maximize their machines' capacities.
Samsung is hardly outstripping Apple in demand. Samsung is merely flooding the market with devices they made from stock piles of components they manufactured for their clients that were rejected or over-produced.
LMAO
Samsung does not even own or control its own OS and software platform
It has no content ecosystem
Samsung will now be using Intel in its tablets. Produced from Intel plants
IC and batteries are largely commodities produced by several vendors
5G has many contributors. And, It won't be live for another 20 years at best
Who cares about flexible displays. Let's see Samsung take the lead and launch products with it
It's the "jackshit" part. Context is: he's full of it.
Samsung?... Mhmmmm....They follow Apple.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pendergast
Wrong, foundries =/= designing, hence why Apple can have its proprietary displays, chips, etc manufactured anywhere. Some manufactures do a better job.
Except the retina display is a trademark, not a patent, giving my argument more credence.
You apparently have no understanding of the consumer electronics-manufacturer ecosystem, do you? Nor do you even seem to understand that it's the manufacturers who do all the designing. You can't just design something and expect it to work on a manufacturer's machines. According to your logic, Dominos' ovens are able to make Papa Johns' pizzas.
Each machine is specifically tailored to produce a certain output. The machines are built in mind to make the specified tech. That's the reason why it's the manufacturers who design the next-gen tech while the consumer electronics company go around to different manufacturers to find who has the tech that best fits their needs. That's how the current ecosystem works, as it is the most efficient allocation of resources.
If we go by your world, where Consumer Electronics companies like Apple and Dell design their own tech, then the manufacturers would need to build drastically different machines to accommodate for the different designs.
In your world, I suppose that construction workers are totally invent buildings, and architects have nothing to do with it right?
And Apple does have patents on retina displays, and on the software that makes it work (and not just shrink everything down).
But whatever. I mean a shill's gotta eat.
Even if that's true, Apple is still Samsung's biggest client. If things keep going the way they are Samsung will have killed off their other clients/competitors. That would leave us in a world with only Apple and Samsung and frankly it's a world I would not like.
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Originally Posted by mjtomlin
Samsung is hardly outstripping Apple in demand. Samsung is merely flooding the market with devices they made from stock piles of components they manufactured for their clients that were rejected or over-produced.
iPhone 5 sales in 1 quarter = 20 million
Galaxy S4 sales in less than 1 month = 10 million
I leave it to you to calculate which one has the higher average sales rate.
By the by, my company actually contracts out work to an Asian manufacturing company. We create the designs, specify the materials, specify the equipment, etc. Pure outsourcing. But apparently the manufacturer does everything. Maybe I can fire my design team.