Do people not realize that iOS offers sharing via Bluetooth or Wi-Fi to another iOS device?
Er… the Bluetooth I didn't know. When did that happen?
Originally Posted by asdasd
And people make that point, because they are new in order to avoid trolling allegations. Of course a troll would do that too, but any argument needs to be taken on its merits.
Vicious cycle, isn't it? If the argument had merit, they wouldn't need to quantify it. We see that as troll content, regardless. Plenty of single-posters don't do that, and many of them have great ideas. Some don't, but most do.
Originally Posted by jdnc123
Market hates Tim Cook and it hates his strategy, because by all appearances he has none.
The market tends to be idiots, though.
Nobody here wants to believe it, but there will soon be quantifiable evidence Samsung has surpassed Apple in high-end phone sales.
lol. That explains why the gap between Apple and Samsung keeps increasing.
The 5S will be a major flop with no screen size change...
OF COURSE NOT. What kind of idiot wants their phone to get bigger every time they upgrade? What kind of idiot wants to relearn the interface of a device that controls his life every two years? Making sure that everything remains compatible and whatnot? Complete nonsense.
Sad to watch this company become so boring.
Maybe shut up and go away then? We know you couldn't care less about Apple or truth.
The article is about sale numbers at the CARRIERS, why would they count Apple store sales... They dont try to extrapolate market shares from those numbers, you can draw youre own conclusions.
Anyway its irrelevant here because all the sales numbers, market shares, or anecdotal evidences are always denied by the fanboys, regardless of the source.
Still it means nothing. Do iPhones sold at Apple stores not have a carrier?
I'm a long time Apple guy going back to 1979 or so. It gives me no pleasure to tell everyone that Apple has lost its edge with the iPhone. I think the iPhone is a solid phone, polished, and intuitive. Where it loses the edge is on technology. Kids love Tech, I'm a big kid and I like Tech. The big screen is really what sold me, but this Near Field Technology is very cool, so is haptic response and Air View where you hove your finger over the screen for previews. I'm not a fan of the eye scroll thingy but my wife likes it.
I've had the S4 just two days now and I miss a few things on the iPhone like the logical placement of apps and the folders. However, the S4 has just way to many cool features and a beautiful big screen for watching videos and viewing pictures.
Come on Apple dont let this lousy Korean company take the market away from you.
I don't understand why some people need to be such jerks when long time Apple users post critical comments. Are you really that indoctrinated that you cannot accept anything but positive comments?!
It is quite common for obvious or known trolls to start with something like:
"I am a long-time Apple fan but.... bash Apple, bash Apple, bash Apple..."
If someone is:
new to AI forums
enters a thread for the first time
uses the quoted technique
there is a pretty good chance that the poster is not here to constructively contribute to the thread...
FWIW, an AI noob who enters a thread criticizing an established and respected member -- is often seen as a troll, too...
Often. you can verify a user's forum "attitude" by examining past posts...
In the case of a noob using the often-used techniques -- it is just natural to consider the noob to be a troll... If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...
Er… the Bluetooth I didn't know. When did that happen?
Vicious cycle, isn't it? If the argument had merit, they wouldn't need to quantify it. We see that as troll content, regardless. Plenty of single-posters don't do that, and many of them have great ideas. Some don't, but most do.
The market tends to be idiots, though.
lol. That explains why the gap between Apple and Samsung keeps increasing.
OF COURSE NOT. What kind of idiot wants their phone to get bigger every time they upgrade? What kind of idiot wants to relearn the interface of a device that controls his life every two years? Making sure that everything remains compatible and whatnot? Complete nonsense.
Maybe shut up and go away then? We know you couldn't care less about Apple or truth.
You do realize there have been more people telling you to shut up and go away than me recently?
The collective market aren't idiots. They saw Apple's earnings dropping like a rock this year as soon as the IP5 came out last year and started selling. Stock peaked day it was announced. The market was correct.
What gap? The gap where Samsung has massively outperformed Apple in the market, where its earnings are approaching Apple's due to Apple's dropping while Samsung's increase.
I want a larger screen. Not a huge screen, a larger one. I know plenty of Apple fans that want one also. Instead they give us a bs excuse as to why it can't be done. Given people do use their phones every day in every parts of their lives as you reference, it really doesn't take long to figure out new features, maybe a few days....oh the travesty, so difficult!
You do realize there have been more people telling you to shut up and go away than me recently?
Well, you bring the count up to 2, but there are plenty more people who've been at odds with your "opinions".
The collective market aren't idiots.
Of course they are. They wanted a physical keyboard on the iPhone.
They saw Apple's earnings dropping like a rock this year as soon as the IP5 came out last year and started selling. Stock peaked day it was announced. The market was correct.
"Correct" in what capacity? About what is there to be "correct"? You know they've sold the most iPhone 5 of any model, right? You know they make more on the iPhone 5 than any other model, right? You know it's the most successful iPhone of all time, right? Come on, man. Even if you could somehow explain what there was to be "correct" about, they weren't correct!
What gap? The gap where Samsung has massively outperformed Apple in the market, where its earnings are approaching Apple's due to Apple's dropping while Samsung's increase.
No, the gap that you were talking about (not this strawman), involving sales. We just had a thread on it.
I want a larger screen. Not a huge screen, a larger one. I know plenty of Apple fans that want one also. Instead they give us a bs excuse as to why it can't be done.
1. "Plenty" isn't enough.
2. No, they haven't given an excuse for why it can't be done.
Given people do use their phones every day in every parts of their lives as you reference, it really doesn't take long to figure out new features, maybe a few days....oh the travesty, so difficult!
You speak from the standpoint of someone who knows what they're doing, not a layman. Put yourself in a layman's shoes. And you ignored compatibility, of course.
Well, you bring the count up to 2, but there are plenty more people who've been at odds with your "opinions".
Of course they are. They wanted a physical keyboard on the iPhone.
"Correct" in what capacity? About what is there to be "correct"? You know they've sold the most iPhone 5 of any model, right? You know they make more on the iPhone 5 than any other model, right? You know it's the most successful iPhone of all time, right? Come on, man. Even if you could somehow explain what there was to be "correct" about, they weren't correct!
No, the gap that you were talking about (not this strawman), involving sales. We just had a thread on it.
1. "Plenty" isn't enough.
2. No, they haven't given an excuse for why it can't be done.
You speak from the standpoint of someone who knows what they're doing, not a layman. Put yourself in a layman's shoes. And you ignored compatibility, of course.
The market doesn't care about sales, unlike some here, it cares about earnings. The market saw the IP5 and came to the conclusion Apple no longer had the edge it once did, that competition would eat into both sales and margins. That - in fact - has happened. You speak of layman. The average lay person could give a crap about many of the things you tout about Apple these days because competing products are similar and 'good enough.' Tons of consumers buy phones just like they buy homes ...."tell me how much my monthly payment will be." Unless there is reason to stretch, that's what it comes down to. Many don't see a reason to stretch for an Apple product any longer.
The collective market aren't idiots. They saw Apple's earnings dropping like a rock this year as soon as the IP5 came out last year and started selling. Stock peaked day it was announced. The market was correct.
What gap? The gap where Samsung has massively outperformed Apple in the market, where its earnings are approaching Apple's due to Apple's dropping while Samsung's increase.
Did Apple's earnings drop or did growth slowed? Two different things. Apple still had a very profitable qtr. and as with Apple's growth, Sammy won't be able to keep it up.
The market is full of idiots. They demanded a Netbook from Apple. They also want a cheap iPhone and then complain of lower margins. Amazon's P/E ratio. If analysts were any good, they would be owning their own businesses.
Did Apple's earnings drop or did growth slowed? Two different things. Apple still had a very profitable qtr. and as with Apple's growth, Sammy won't be able to keep it up.
The market is full of idiots. They demanded a Netbook from Apple. They also want a cheap iPhone and then complain of lower margins. Amazon's P/E ratio. If analysts were any good, they would be owning their own businesses.
I don't know, do you call earning 12.30/share last yr in calendar 1Q and 10.09 this year and guiding to $6.50-7.50/share for 2Q vs $9.32 the prior year slowing growth? If that is only slowing growth, god help us when earnings actually drop.
The average lay person could give a crap about many of the things you tout about Apple these days because competing products are similar and 'good enough.'
So you've basically destroyed your own argument here. Is that really what you wanted?
Why the heck do you double space after sentences? It's not 1993.
>>>Apple is about to lose on the screen war too. it absolutly must do something about its innovation this year or its hardware is going to be completly outdated on all fronts.>>>
This year? They've done absolutely nothing for 9 months now, the longest gap in a decade or so. Stock down 4 out of the last 5 days right before WWDC. Market hates Tim Cook and it hates his strategy, because by all appearances he has none. Nobody here wants to believe it, but there will soon be quantifiable evidence Samsung has surpassed Apple in high-end phone sales. It is really sad to watch. The 5S will be a major flop with no screen size change..... consumers waited a year for what, a couple incremental/evolutionary spec changes. Sad to watch this company become so boring.
Product cycles are about to begin, lets give Apple a chance to fire its guns.
With market sentiment regarding Apple, I dont think we will see the old pattern of buy the rumor and sell the news. My bets are on the exact opposite. I am expecting a sell the rumors and buy the news. (that is if it is good news). I covered my shorts this morning and went long at multiple expiration and strikes (options). I also suggest to go light before earnings, because they will probably be bad and we will probably be up on news in the prior weeks.
So you've basically destroyed your own argument here. Is that really what you wanted?
Why the heck do you double space after sentences? It's not 1993.
2nd derivative is what matters, the pace of growth in earnings (especially considering one is negative and one is positive) is what the market cares about, as they should. So if the market insisted that Apple issue debt, increase its dividend and buyback stock and Tim Cook did exactly that, what is your opinion of him?
Nice going, Apple. You really screwed your own pooch. Samsung is probably offering spiffs to all the salespeople to push the Galaxy S4 and thereby cementing Samsung's market share lead. Meanwhile, Tim Cook sits back and looks out the window of his office trying to pick out recognizable shapes in the clouds. If consumers can really get an S4 from WalMart for $80, I don't know how people could refuse that sort of bargain for a high-end smartphone. Samsung is making all the right moves to grab market share, most likely at the expense of profit margins. I don't think Samsung really cares because I would assume they want as many of their smartphones in consumers' hands as possible to get the most possible news media mindshare.
I'm only partially joking because I know Apple is going to come back strong. I'm sure there are lot of loyal Apple customers waiting for the next latest and greatest iPhone. It just pisses me off that Samsung is pounding Apple to death with high sales numbers.
Keep in mind that the iPhone 5 is several months older than the S4 and the iPhone 4 and 4S are even older, yet still sell well (not for long according to the ITC ruling though). I would expect a brand new model to sell well initially. Also WWDC is eight around the corner so that may take some of the wind out of the S4 sails. See how it goes after 8 or 9 months before you compare.
They also didnt count electronic stores. But that wasn't the point. However you count, Samsung is doing well with their Galaxy line. Nothing wrong with that because Apple is also doing quite well. Apple doesn't need all companies to die for it to succeed.
I don't know, do you call earning 12.30/share last yr in calendar 1Q and 10.09 this year and guiding to $6.50-7.50/share for 2Q vs $9.32 the prior year slowing growth? If that is only slowing growth, god help us when earnings actually drop.
Yes because they still make billions every qty. and you really can't compare FYQ3 to last year because the ipad 3 was announced and sold then.
Regarding the current Android large screen phones, they all use OLED or amoled indeed. The tradeoff are easy to spot if you put an iphone 5 or even an ipad mini side by side with those phones. On the Apple devices, the colors are much more accurate and vivid. That being said, I am not so sure the average consumers cares more about the colors then the screen size and resolution.
There is also a gap between Apple own devices, if I put the ipad mini side by side with my retina ipad3, the colors on the mini are much better too. If you look carefully at the screen you will notice the ipad 3 has better resolution, but from a distance the mini screen looks better. You will notice the same between an iphone 5 and an iphone 4s. This is due by Apple adoption of IPS on the iphone 5 and ipad mini.
I personnaly thinks Apple didnt want to used OLED, which means they just cant make a large screen phone without the device being heavy and thick for a phone. I think they will use IZGO, which allows them to use LED LCD and IPS, so the screens will look like the iphone 5, but the device will be thin and light.
This is becoming a major problem for Apple has Samsung is closing the gap in color accuracy.
Apple is about to lose on the screen war too. it absolutly must do something about its innovation this year or its hardware is going to be completly outdated on all fronts.
Except that you are wrong. The HTC One doesn't use an OLED at all, it uses the new super3 LCD screen. I also have an iPhone 5 and have seen my phone side by side a HTC One, an HTC DNA, a Galaxy 3, and a Galaxy 4. I can tell you that my iPhone had a noticeably better display than the S3 but so did the S4. It may still be OLED but Samsung managed to vastly improve the display on this phone over the S3.In fact they improved it to the point that I can't tell a difference other than it being larger. I can also tell you to my eyes at least the HTC One looked better than my iPhone 5. All phones were thin and light including the HTC One, so they somehow solved the problem of using a high quality large screen LCD while still keeping it very thin and light.
"Correct" in what capacity? About what is there to be "correct"? You know they've sold the most iPhone 5 of any model, right? You know they make more on the iPhone 5 than any other model, right? You know it's the most successful iPhone of all time, right? Come on, man. Even if you could somehow explain what there was to be "correct" about, they weren't correct!
For the markets, its all about EPS. And despite higher sell numbers, EPS did stalled. So growth went to an halt and when that happens any stock will fall like a rock, especially after a parabolic move.
That being said, we are sitting at 10 P/E on a 3% yield on top of another 3% in buybacks. We went from overvalue with too much optimist to undervalue and pessimistic. If Apple announced something that has even a remote chance of increasing EPS, we will get a violent rebound.
Except that you are wrong. The HTC One doesn't use an OLED at all, it uses the new super3 LCD screen. I also have an iPhone 5 and have seen my phone side by side a HTC One, an HTC DNA, a Galaxy 3, and a Galaxy 4. I can tell you that my iPhone had a noticeably better display than the S3 but so did the S4. It may still be OLED but Samsung managed to vastly improve the display on this phone over the S3.In fact they improved it to the point that I can't tell a difference other than it being larger. I can also tell you to my eyes at least the HTC One looked better than my iPhone 5. All phones were thin and light including the HTC One, so they somehow solved the problem of using a high quality large screen LCD while still keeping it very thin and light.
There are no free lunch, if the HTC One is thin and light, it gave up something. Whats the CPU/GPU performance? How is battery life? Concerning OLED, I did mention the S4 is closing the gap. Ok ,maybe not ALL big screen phone are OLED, but most are.
I am still hoping Apple did invest billions in Shark in ordre to have IGZO capacity right about now. If so, they will leap over the market for around 2 years.
There are no free lunch, if the HTC One is thin, it gave up something. Whats the CPU/GPU performance? How is battery life? Concerning OLED, I did mention the S4 is closing the gap.
I am still hoping Apple did invest billions in Shark in ordre to have IGZO capacity right about now. If so, they will leap over the market for around 2 years.
The CPU/GPU of the HTC One gets better benchmarks than the iPhone 5 and actually far better battery life. I think the S4 not only closed the gap but caught up and passed the iPhone in some respects.
I also hope that IGZO turns out to be what Apple has been waiting for and it pans out. I also really like the IR TV remote feature on both the HTC One and S4. Sure you can af=dd that with an iPhone but it requires a bluetooth dongle costing an extra $50 or more. I don't see why they can't build that feature in with the iPhone. I also like the Zoe features of the HTC camera.
Here is a pretty good comparison and seems very unbiased.
NFC? Ask a teen about that one. See what you get as a response.
You apparently don't have one, during my last year company's Christmas party my 13 year old daughter won a Nexus 7 playing a silly game. Three day's after owning it she asked me if she could have one of my Nokia NFC speakers. I didn't tell her about NFC, never told her the Nokia speakers were NFC compatible, she just figured it out. I think you're underestimating teenages. Now I don't care if NFC is a viable solution or not, wasn't my point, so please don't start pointing out how useless it is. Just saying kids are smarter with tech nowadays then we think.
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Originally Posted by MacBook Pro
Do people not realize that iOS offers sharing via Bluetooth or Wi-Fi to another iOS device?
Er… the Bluetooth I didn't know. When did that happen?
Originally Posted by asdasd
And people make that point, because they are new in order to avoid trolling allegations. Of course a troll would do that too, but any argument needs to be taken on its merits.
Vicious cycle, isn't it? If the argument had merit, they wouldn't need to quantify it. We see that as troll content, regardless. Plenty of single-posters don't do that, and many of them have great ideas. Some don't, but most do.
Originally Posted by jdnc123
Market hates Tim Cook and it hates his strategy, because by all appearances he has none.
The market tends to be idiots, though.
Nobody here wants to believe it, but there will soon be quantifiable evidence Samsung has surpassed Apple in high-end phone sales.
lol. That explains why the gap between Apple and Samsung keeps increasing.
The 5S will be a major flop with no screen size change...
OF COURSE NOT. What kind of idiot wants their phone to get bigger every time they upgrade? What kind of idiot wants to relearn the interface of a device that controls his life every two years? Making sure that everything remains compatible and whatnot? Complete nonsense.
Sad to watch this company become so boring.
Maybe shut up and go away then? We know you couldn't care less about Apple or truth.
Still it means nothing. Do iPhones sold at Apple stores not have a carrier?
It is quite common for obvious or known trolls to start with something like:
"I am a long-time Apple fan but.... bash Apple, bash Apple, bash Apple..."
If someone is:
there is a pretty good chance that the poster is not here to constructively contribute to the thread...
@main1event had 12 prior posts to the one above
FWIW, an AI noob who enters a thread criticizing an established and respected member -- is often seen as a troll, too...
Often. you can verify a user's forum "attitude" by examining past posts...
In the case of a noob using the often-used techniques -- it is just natural to consider the noob to be a troll... If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Er… the Bluetooth I didn't know. When did that happen?
Vicious cycle, isn't it? If the argument had merit, they wouldn't need to quantify it. We see that as troll content, regardless. Plenty of single-posters don't do that, and many of them have great ideas. Some don't, but most do.
The market tends to be idiots, though.
lol. That explains why the gap between Apple and Samsung keeps increasing.
OF COURSE NOT. What kind of idiot wants their phone to get bigger every time they upgrade? What kind of idiot wants to relearn the interface of a device that controls his life every two years? Making sure that everything remains compatible and whatnot? Complete nonsense.
Maybe shut up and go away then? We know you couldn't care less about Apple or truth.
You do realize there have been more people telling you to shut up and go away than me recently?
The collective market aren't idiots. They saw Apple's earnings dropping like a rock this year as soon as the IP5 came out last year and started selling. Stock peaked day it was announced. The market was correct.
What gap? The gap where Samsung has massively outperformed Apple in the market, where its earnings are approaching Apple's due to Apple's dropping while Samsung's increase.
I want a larger screen. Not a huge screen, a larger one. I know plenty of Apple fans that want one also. Instead they give us a bs excuse as to why it can't be done. Given people do use their phones every day in every parts of their lives as you reference, it really doesn't take long to figure out new features, maybe a few days....oh the travesty, so difficult!
Here's an idea, you shut up and go away.
Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum
If someone is:
new to AI forums
enters a thread for the first time
uses the quoted technique
there is a pretty good chance that the poster is not here to constructively contribute to the thread...
Bingo. For further examples, see here.
Originally Posted by jdnc123
You do realize there have been more people telling you to shut up and go away than me recently?
Well, you bring the count up to 2, but there are plenty more people who've been at odds with your "opinions".
The collective market aren't idiots.
Of course they are. They wanted a physical keyboard on the iPhone.
They saw Apple's earnings dropping like a rock this year as soon as the IP5 came out last year and started selling. Stock peaked day it was announced. The market was correct.
"Correct" in what capacity? About what is there to be "correct"? You know they've sold the most iPhone 5 of any model, right? You know they make more on the iPhone 5 than any other model, right? You know it's the most successful iPhone of all time, right? Come on, man. Even if you could somehow explain what there was to be "correct" about, they weren't correct!
What gap? The gap where Samsung has massively outperformed Apple in the market, where its earnings are approaching Apple's due to Apple's dropping while Samsung's increase.
No, the gap that you were talking about (not this strawman), involving sales. We just had a thread on it.
I want a larger screen. Not a huge screen, a larger one. I know plenty of Apple fans that want one also. Instead they give us a bs excuse as to why it can't be done.
1. "Plenty" isn't enough.
2. No, they haven't given an excuse for why it can't be done.
Given people do use their phones every day in every parts of their lives as you reference, it really doesn't take long to figure out new features, maybe a few days....oh the travesty, so difficult!
You speak from the standpoint of someone who knows what they're doing, not a layman. Put yourself in a layman's shoes. And you ignored compatibility, of course.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Bingo. For further examples, see here.
Well, you bring the count up to 2, but there are plenty more people who've been at odds with your "opinions".
Of course they are. They wanted a physical keyboard on the iPhone.
"Correct" in what capacity? About what is there to be "correct"? You know they've sold the most iPhone 5 of any model, right? You know they make more on the iPhone 5 than any other model, right? You know it's the most successful iPhone of all time, right? Come on, man. Even if you could somehow explain what there was to be "correct" about, they weren't correct!
No, the gap that you were talking about (not this strawman), involving sales. We just had a thread on it.
1. "Plenty" isn't enough.
2. No, they haven't given an excuse for why it can't be done.
You speak from the standpoint of someone who knows what they're doing, not a layman. Put yourself in a layman's shoes. And you ignored compatibility, of course.
The market doesn't care about sales, unlike some here, it cares about earnings. The market saw the IP5 and came to the conclusion Apple no longer had the edge it once did, that competition would eat into both sales and margins. That - in fact - has happened. You speak of layman. The average lay person could give a crap about many of the things you tout about Apple these days because competing products are similar and 'good enough.' Tons of consumers buy phones just like they buy homes ...."tell me how much my monthly payment will be." Unless there is reason to stretch, that's what it comes down to. Many don't see a reason to stretch for an Apple product any longer.
Did Apple's earnings drop or did growth slowed? Two different things. Apple still had a very profitable qtr. and as with Apple's growth, Sammy won't be able to keep it up.
The market is full of idiots. They demanded a Netbook from Apple. They also want a cheap iPhone and then complain of lower margins. Amazon's P/E ratio. If analysts were any good, they would be owning their own businesses.
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Originally Posted by jungmark
Did Apple's earnings drop or did growth slowed? Two different things. Apple still had a very profitable qtr. and as with Apple's growth, Sammy won't be able to keep it up.
The market is full of idiots. They demanded a Netbook from Apple. They also want a cheap iPhone and then complain of lower margins. Amazon's P/E ratio. If analysts were any good, they would be owning their own businesses.
I don't know, do you call earning 12.30/share last yr in calendar 1Q and 10.09 this year and guiding to $6.50-7.50/share for 2Q vs $9.32 the prior year slowing growth? If that is only slowing growth, god help us when earnings actually drop.
Originally Posted by jdnc123
The market doesn't care about sales
You do, though.
…it cares about earnings.
And Apple exceeds Samsung.
The average lay person could give a crap about many of the things you tout about Apple these days because competing products are similar and 'good enough.'
So you've basically destroyed your own argument here. Is that really what you wanted?
Why the heck do you double space after sentences? It's not 1993.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jdnc123
>>>Apple is about to lose on the screen war too. it absolutly must do something about its innovation this year or its hardware is going to be completly outdated on all fronts.>>>
This year? They've done absolutely nothing for 9 months now, the longest gap in a decade or so. Stock down 4 out of the last 5 days right before WWDC. Market hates Tim Cook and it hates his strategy, because by all appearances he has none. Nobody here wants to believe it, but there will soon be quantifiable evidence Samsung has surpassed Apple in high-end phone sales. It is really sad to watch. The 5S will be a major flop with no screen size change..... consumers waited a year for what, a couple incremental/evolutionary spec changes. Sad to watch this company become so boring.
Product cycles are about to begin, lets give Apple a chance to fire its guns.
With market sentiment regarding Apple, I dont think we will see the old pattern of buy the rumor and sell the news. My bets are on the exact opposite. I am expecting a sell the rumors and buy the news. (that is if it is good news). I covered my shorts this morning and went long at multiple expiration and strikes (options). I also suggest to go light before earnings, because they will probably be bad and we will probably be up on news in the prior weeks.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
You do, though.
And Apple exceeds Samsung.
So you've basically destroyed your own argument here. Is that really what you wanted?
Why the heck do you double space after sentences? It's not 1993.
2nd derivative is what matters, the pace of growth in earnings (especially considering one is negative and one is positive) is what the market cares about, as they should. So if the market insisted that Apple issue debt, increase its dividend and buyback stock and Tim Cook did exactly that, what is your opinion of him?
Keep in mind that the iPhone 5 is several months older than the S4 and the iPhone 4 and 4S are even older, yet still sell well (not for long according to the ITC ruling though). I would expect a brand new model to sell well initially. Also WWDC is eight around the corner so that may take some of the wind out of the S4 sails. See how it goes after 8 or 9 months before you compare.
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Originally Posted by ankleskater
They also didnt count electronic stores. But that wasn't the point. However you count, Samsung is doing well with their Galaxy line. Nothing wrong with that because Apple is also doing quite well. Apple doesn't need all companies to die for it to succeed.
Tell that to Wall Street.
Yep, you know what is coming next after that line
Yes because they still make billions every qty. and you really can't compare FYQ3 to last year because the ipad 3 was announced and sold then.
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Originally Posted by herbapou
Regarding the current Android large screen phones, they all use OLED or amoled indeed. The tradeoff are easy to spot if you put an iphone 5 or even an ipad mini side by side with those phones. On the Apple devices, the colors are much more accurate and vivid. That being said, I am not so sure the average consumers cares more about the colors then the screen size and resolution.
There is also a gap between Apple own devices, if I put the ipad mini side by side with my retina ipad3, the colors on the mini are much better too. If you look carefully at the screen you will notice the ipad 3 has better resolution, but from a distance the mini screen looks better. You will notice the same between an iphone 5 and an iphone 4s. This is due by Apple adoption of IPS on the iphone 5 and ipad mini.
I personnaly thinks Apple didnt want to used OLED, which means they just cant make a large screen phone without the device being heavy and thick for a phone. I think they will use IZGO, which allows them to use LED LCD and IPS, so the screens will look like the iphone 5, but the device will be thin and light.
This is becoming a major problem for Apple has Samsung is closing the gap in color accuracy.
http://samsunggalaxy-s4.info/color-super-amoled-screen-samsung-galaxy-s4-very-natural_774.html
Apple is about to lose on the screen war too. it absolutly must do something about its innovation this year or its hardware is going to be completly outdated on all fronts.
Except that you are wrong. The HTC One doesn't use an OLED at all, it uses the new super3 LCD screen. I also have an iPhone 5 and have seen my phone side by side a HTC One, an HTC DNA, a Galaxy 3, and a Galaxy 4. I can tell you that my iPhone had a noticeably better display than the S3 but so did the S4. It may still be OLED but Samsung managed to vastly improve the display on this phone over the S3.In fact they improved it to the point that I can't tell a difference other than it being larger. I can also tell you to my eyes at least the HTC One looked better than my iPhone 5. All phones were thin and light including the HTC One, so they somehow solved the problem of using a high quality large screen LCD while still keeping it very thin and light.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
"Correct" in what capacity? About what is there to be "correct"? You know they've sold the most iPhone 5 of any model, right? You know they make more on the iPhone 5 than any other model, right? You know it's the most successful iPhone of all time, right? Come on, man. Even if you could somehow explain what there was to be "correct" about, they weren't correct!
For the markets, its all about EPS. And despite higher sell numbers, EPS did stalled. So growth went to an halt and when that happens any stock will fall like a rock, especially after a parabolic move.
That being said, we are sitting at 10 P/E on a 3% yield on top of another 3% in buybacks. We went from overvalue with too much optimist to undervalue and pessimistic. If Apple announced something that has even a remote chance of increasing EPS, we will get a violent rebound.
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Originally Posted by gwmac
Except that you are wrong. The HTC One doesn't use an OLED at all, it uses the new super3 LCD screen. I also have an iPhone 5 and have seen my phone side by side a HTC One, an HTC DNA, a Galaxy 3, and a Galaxy 4. I can tell you that my iPhone had a noticeably better display than the S3 but so did the S4. It may still be OLED but Samsung managed to vastly improve the display on this phone over the S3.In fact they improved it to the point that I can't tell a difference other than it being larger. I can also tell you to my eyes at least the HTC One looked better than my iPhone 5. All phones were thin and light including the HTC One, so they somehow solved the problem of using a high quality large screen LCD while still keeping it very thin and light.
There are no free lunch, if the HTC One is thin and light, it gave up something. Whats the CPU/GPU performance? How is battery life? Concerning OLED, I did mention the S4 is closing the gap. Ok ,maybe not ALL big screen phone are OLED, but most are.
I am still hoping Apple did invest billions in Shark in ordre to have IGZO capacity right about now. If so, they will leap over the market for around 2 years.
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Originally Posted by herbapou
There are no free lunch, if the HTC One is thin, it gave up something. Whats the CPU/GPU performance? How is battery life? Concerning OLED, I did mention the S4 is closing the gap.
I am still hoping Apple did invest billions in Shark in ordre to have IGZO capacity right about now. If so, they will leap over the market for around 2 years.
The CPU/GPU of the HTC One gets better benchmarks than the iPhone 5 and actually far better battery life. I think the S4 not only closed the gap but caught up and passed the iPhone in some respects.
I also hope that IGZO turns out to be what Apple has been waiting for and it pans out. I also really like the IR TV remote feature on both the HTC One and S4. Sure you can af=dd that with an iPhone but it requires a bluetooth dongle costing an extra $50 or more. I don't see why they can't build that feature in with the iPhone. I also like the Zoe features of the HTC camera.
Here is a pretty good comparison and seems very unbiased.
http://www.gadgetreview.com/2013/05/htc-one-vs-iphone-5-comparison.html
You apparently don't have one, during my last year company's Christmas party my 13 year old daughter won a Nexus 7 playing a silly game. Three day's after owning it she asked me if she could have one of my Nokia NFC speakers. I didn't tell her about NFC, never told her the Nokia speakers were NFC compatible, she just figured it out. I think you're underestimating teenages. Now I don't care if NFC is a viable solution or not, wasn't my point, so please don't start pointing out how useless it is. Just saying kids are smarter with tech nowadays then we think.