FWIW - this rivalry is a necessity. Neither Samsung nor Apple would really be motivated to improve, innovate, whatever without good solid threat from each other.
You mean Sammy would have to copy from another vendor.
Hey.... we'll take any volume numbers from the likes of Samsung.
Why don't we let your pals get to that first, before asking Apple for how many Verizon 16GB white iPhone 5s were sold on alternate Thursdays in Alabama.
Samsung do announce sales figures. It seems they like to wait for round million figures, which might explain Shin's circumspection.
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Samsung confirmed earlier this week that the company has sold 2 million Galaxy Note handsets since the device launched last October, according to Forbes.
Samsung is going through a purple patch. Yesterday they announced sales of 4 million units of the Galaxy S4 over its launch weekend. They shipped a further 2 million in the following week. Sales in the first two weeks are over 5 million with a Samsung executive claiming the device is on track for 10 million units sold by the end of May.
The South Korean firm said in a Twitter post that it sold more than 30 million Galaxy S3 smartphones in the five months of its release, making it one of the fastest selling smartphones in the world.
Similarly, it claims to have sold three million of its Galaxy Note 2 devices in little over a month - a pace three times faster than its predecessor - Galaxy Note.
And:
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Samsung proudly announced on its official blog that sales of the Galaxy S4 has surpassed the 10 million mark in less than a month after it was released in 60 countries last April 27.
"Patent disputes against Apple will continue," Shin said in his first Apple-related comments since the ITC handed Samsung a win in the form of an import ban on older iPhones and iPads.
Samdung- You got one way to survive- Copy the future like you did in the past from TV to Phones to Iphones to tablets. Google glass is coming- get cheaper version!
We've been told over and over how Sammy makes hundreds (thousands?) of other products, besides phones, and that the smartphone business is a minor part of the company. And yet one "analyst" gives a lukewarm forecast on sales of a SINGLE product, and the entire company stock drops SIX PERCENT? Either the stock market is over-reacting severely, or there is something else wrong with the company that this article is not addressing.
Here, take some of this, that should help you out with your cough.
As for your link, so what? Apple announced total iPad sales, that's good enough. There is no need for Apple to break down the sales figures for every single model they make, giving their enemies valuable data and intelligence. I don't want Samsung or anybody else to know how many iPad Minis have been sold compared to iPad 4's.
You mean Sammy would have to copy from another vendor.
Like in the old days when Nokia was on top and Samsung was there with Symbian based slide phones or Motorola, Samsung was there too with flip phones, Rim had the BLACKberry, Samsung had the BLACKjack.
Business as usual for Samsung, copying for over a decade.
Like in the old days when Nokia was on top and Samsung was there with Symbian based slide phones or Motorola, Samsung was there too with flip phones, Rim had the BLACKberry, Samsung had the BLACKjack.
Business as usual for Samsung, copying for over a decade.
Yes, but all those times it just happened to be a convergence of design. /s
Samsung do announce sales figures. It seems they like to wait for round million figures, which might explain Shin's circumspection.
And:
IIRC while they announce numbers they do not report numbers in an official legal document: that's the barrier that keeps them off the NYSE from my undrestanding. They decline to submit the audited financials.
Well, actually, sarcasm aside this is true and it was brought to light in one of the Apple lawsuits how Samsung actually inflates numbers drastically.
Additionally, apart from the fact that we mostly only get shipment numbers and not direct sales numbers, Samsung is very careful about its own wording and thus those X million of S4 devices likely consists mostly of S4 Mini and other cheap spinoff models, rather than of the high end model which is as expensive as an iPhone 5.
Samsung is very well aware of that and that's the reason they won't break it down for us. The same goes for all other manufacturers by the way. There's a reason for why most competitors just don't like to talk about numbers that much.
Samsung is the only one selling real volumes and even they don't like to be as open because it would then become apparent to everyone that what they are actually selling well is not competing with Apple at all.
IIRC while they announce numbers they do not report numbers in an official legal document: that's the barrier that keeps them off the NYSE from my undrestanding. They decline to submit the audited financials.
Their reporting **would be** considered sufficient by NYSE standards, since they report according to IFRS criteria.
The issue here is that they do not report quantities sold, unlike Apple. In all fairness, no one else (e.g., Amazon, Nokia, Microsoft, Motorola -- now Google) does either. Apple is head and shoulders above its competition when it comes to the quality of its disclosure.
Samsung do announce sales figures. It seems they like to wait for round million figures, which might explain Shin's circumspection.
And:
Quote:
Samsung confirmed earlier this week that the company has sold 2 million Galaxy Note handsets since the device launched last October, according to Forbes.
Samsung is going through a purple patch. Yesterday they announced sales of 4 million units of the Galaxy S4 over its launch weekend. They shipped a further 2 million in the following week. Sales in the first two weeks are over 5 million with a Samsung executive claiming the device is on track for 10 million units sold by the end of May.
The South Korean firm said in a Twitter post that it sold more than 30 million Galaxy S3 smartphones in the five months of its release, making it one of the fastest selling smartphones in the world.
Similarly, it claims to have sold three million of its Galaxy Note 2 devices in little over a month - a pace three times faster than its predecessor - Galaxy Note.
And:
Quote:
Samsung proudly announced on its official blog that sales of the Galaxy S4 has surpassed the 10 million mark in less than a month after it was released in 60 countries last April 27.
Samsung confirmed. . .
They (Samsung) announced . . .
Samsung executive claiming . . .
The South Korean firm said in a Twitter post . .
Similarly, it claims . . .
Samsung proudly announced on its official blog . .
Samsung sang from the shitter: "Nothing stinks in here . . ."
Impressive that an out dated 3.5" iPhone & a last years 4" iPhone still goes head to head with the latest 5" S4. The "war" is over when Apple come out with multiple new iPhones & sizes
Neither Samsung nor Apple would really be motivated to improve, innovate, whatever without good solid threat from each other.
Riiiight. Apple would never have created the original iPhone in the first place if it wasn't due to a good solid threat from Samsung to invent it first. Or the iPad, MacBook Air, iPod or iMac: Apple would never have created these things without a threat from Samsung. /s
FWIW - this rivalry is a necessity. Neither Samsung nor Apple would really be motivated to improve, innovate, whatever without good solid threat from each other.
So true, Apple and Samsung need at least one good competitor. Good they have each other.
The others are just also rans!
I don't believe S4 sales are as good as desired. Here the S4 down payment is now down about 50%.
Considering Samsung has not been getting phones recently from North Korea, they definitely have a sales problem.
I see the difference when I walk past our Samsung and Apple stores.
Wow, what a ridiculous supposition! Apple wouldn't be motivated to improve or innovate without a "threat"? You clearly don't understand them as a company at all.
Even though I agree with the basic notion that 'healthy competition is a good thing' you took it into pretty faulty territory. The history of Apple all by itself proves you wrong in that regard. They are not, nor have they ever been "threat driven" in their product development.
Your Apple history is very weak.
During most of Apple's history they have been fighting the major platforms for market share.
Only with their iDevices have Apple lead significantly in Sales and profits.
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You mean Sammy would have to copy from another vendor.
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Originally Posted by cnocbui
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With a four century head start, I think Leonardo had it in the bag.
I believe you may have got my point, but not my sarcasm...
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Originally Posted by cnocbui
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram
Spot on.
These guys don't reveal their volumes sold/shipped because the numbers likely suck (relative to the hype). It's as simple as that.
So would you therefore suggest that Samsung are making up their numbers when they report their quarterly profits and revenue?
Hello, anybody home? Are we on the same planet?
What about the word 'volume' don't you understand? Did Samsung start reporting that today?
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram
Hey.... we'll take any volume numbers from the likes of Samsung.
Why don't we let your pals get to that first, before asking Apple for how many Verizon 16GB white iPhone 5s were sold on alternate Thursdays in Alabama.
Samsung do announce sales figures. It seems they like to wait for round million figures, which might explain Shin's circumspection.
Quote:
Samsung confirmed earlier this week that the company has sold 2 million Galaxy Note handsets since the device launched last October, according to Forbes.
Samsung is going through a purple patch. Yesterday they announced sales of 4 million units of the Galaxy S4 over its launch weekend. They shipped a further 2 million in the following week. Sales in the first two weeks are over 5 million with a Samsung executive claiming the device is on track for 10 million units sold by the end of May.
The South Korean firm said in a Twitter post that it sold more than 30 million Galaxy S3 smartphones in the five months of its release, making it one of the fastest selling smartphones in the world.
Similarly, it claims to have sold three million of its Galaxy Note 2 devices in little over a month - a pace three times faster than its predecessor - Galaxy Note.
And:
Quote:
Samsung proudly announced on its official blog that sales of the Galaxy S4 has surpassed the 10 million mark in less than a month after it was released in 60 countries last April 27.
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider
"Patent disputes against Apple will continue," Shin said in his first Apple-related comments since the ITC handed Samsung a win in the form of an import ban on older iPhones and iPads.
Ah, what the ITC giveth, the ITC taketh away.
Samdung- You got one way to survive- Copy the future like you did in the past from TV to Phones to Iphones to tablets. Google glass is coming- get cheaper version!
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Originally Posted by cnocbui
Cough
Here, take some of this, that should help you out with your cough.
As for your link, so what? Apple announced total iPad sales, that's good enough. There is no need for Apple to break down the sales figures for every single model they make, giving their enemies valuable data and intelligence. I don't want Samsung or anybody else to know how many iPad Minis have been sold compared to iPad 4's.
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Originally Posted by cnocbui
So would you therefore suggest that Samsung are making up their numbers when they report their quarterly profits and revenue?
They are either making up their financials and misleading the stock exchanges of the world or they are selling something else other than phones. \s
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-22305179
Samsung are selling something else other than Galaxy S4's (or other high end handsets), low end and mid range make up the majority of their sales.
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Originally Posted by jungmark
You mean Sammy would have to copy from another vendor.
Like in the old days when Nokia was on top and Samsung was there with Symbian based slide phones or Motorola, Samsung was there too with flip phones, Rim had the BLACKberry, Samsung had the BLACKjack.
Business as usual for Samsung, copying for over a decade.
Yes, but all those times it just happened to be a convergence of design. /s
Quote:
Originally Posted by cnocbui
Samsung do announce sales figures. It seems they like to wait for round million figures, which might explain Shin's circumspection.
And:
IIRC while they announce numbers they do not report numbers in an official legal document: that's the barrier that keeps them off the NYSE from my undrestanding. They decline to submit the audited financials.
Quote:
Originally Posted by cnocbui
So would you therefore suggest that Samsung are making up their numbers when they report their quarterly profits and revenue?
They are either making up their financials and misleading the stock exchanges of the world or they are selling something else other than phones. \s
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-22305179
Well, actually, sarcasm aside this is true and it was brought to light in one of the Apple lawsuits how Samsung actually inflates numbers drastically.
Additionally, apart from the fact that we mostly only get shipment numbers and not direct sales numbers, Samsung is very careful about its own wording and thus those X million of S4 devices likely consists mostly of S4 Mini and other cheap spinoff models, rather than of the high end model which is as expensive as an iPhone 5.
Samsung is very well aware of that and that's the reason they won't break it down for us. The same goes for all other manufacturers by the way. There's a reason for why most competitors just don't like to talk about numbers that much.
Samsung is the only one selling real volumes and even they don't like to be as open because it would then become apparent to everyone that what they are actually selling well is not competing with Apple at all.
Their reporting **would be** considered sufficient by NYSE standards, since they report according to IFRS criteria.
The issue here is that they do not report quantities sold, unlike Apple. In all fairness, no one else (e.g., Amazon, Nokia, Microsoft, Motorola -- now Google) does either. Apple is head and shoulders above its competition when it comes to the quality of its disclosure.
Quote:
Originally Posted by cnocbui
Samsung do announce sales figures. It seems they like to wait for round million figures, which might explain Shin's circumspection.
And:
Quote:
Samsung confirmed earlier this week that the company has sold 2 million Galaxy Note handsets since the device launched last October, according to Forbes.
Samsung is going through a purple patch. Yesterday they announced sales of 4 million units of the Galaxy S4 over its launch weekend. They shipped a further 2 million in the following week. Sales in the first two weeks are over 5 million with a Samsung executive claiming the device is on track for 10 million units sold by the end of May.
The South Korean firm said in a Twitter post that it sold more than 30 million Galaxy S3 smartphones in the five months of its release, making it one of the fastest selling smartphones in the world.
Similarly, it claims to have sold three million of its Galaxy Note 2 devices in little over a month - a pace three times faster than its predecessor - Galaxy Note.
And:
Quote:
Samsung proudly announced on its official blog that sales of the Galaxy S4 has surpassed the 10 million mark in less than a month after it was released in 60 countries last April 27.
Samsung confirmed. . .
They (Samsung) announced . . .
Samsung executive claiming . . .
The South Korean firm said in a Twitter post . .
Similarly, it claims . . .
Samsung proudly announced on its official blog . .
Samsung sang from the shitter: "Nothing stinks in here . . ."
Riiiight. Apple would never have created the original iPhone in the first place if it wasn't due to a good solid threat from Samsung to invent it first. Or the iPad, MacBook Air, iPod or iMac: Apple would never have created these things without a threat from Samsung. /s
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Originally Posted by LuxoM3
FWIW - this rivalry is a necessity. Neither Samsung nor Apple would really be motivated to improve, innovate, whatever without good solid threat from each other.
So true, Apple and Samsung need at least one good competitor. Good they have each other.
The others are just also rans!
I don't believe S4 sales are as good as desired. Here the S4 down payment is now down about 50%.
Considering Samsung has not been getting phones recently from North Korea, they definitely have a sales problem.
I see the difference when I walk past our Samsung and Apple stores.
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Originally Posted by tribalogical
Wow, what a ridiculous supposition! Apple wouldn't be motivated to improve or innovate without a "threat"? You clearly don't understand them as a company at all.
Even though I agree with the basic notion that 'healthy competition is a good thing' you took it into pretty faulty territory. The history of Apple all by itself proves you wrong in that regard. They are not, nor have they ever been "threat driven" in their product development.
Your Apple history is very weak.
During most of Apple's history they have been fighting the major platforms for market share.
Only with their iDevices have Apple lead significantly in Sales and profits.