Apple says it may file new patent suit targeting Samsung Galaxy S4

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in General Discussion edited January 2014
A judge this week rejected Apple from adding Samsung's new flagship Galaxy S4 smartphone to an existing lawsuit, causing Apple to signal it may file a new suit to target the device.

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U.S. Magistrate Judge Paul S. Grewal said adding another product to the case in San Jose, Calif., would be a "tax on the court's resources," Bloomberg reported on Thursday. Citing the fact that additional products take up "considerable amounts of the court's time and energy," he said the Galaxy S4 would not become part of the ongoing patent infringement case.

In response, an attorney representing Apple said that the exclusion would require the iPhone maker to file a new, separate lawsuit. That's because the products in question in the current suit, including the Galaxy S III, will likely be out of date by the time the case goes to trial next March.

Apple first attempted to add the Galaxy S4 to the California lawsuit in May, soon after Samsung launched the device. Apple's initial analysis of the Galaxy S4 suggested to the company that it too infringes on the company's patented inventions.

Specifically, Apple believes the Galaxy S4 infringes on five patents it owns, related to Siri, data synchronization, and graphical user interface elements. Apple's complaint also took issue with the Google Now assistant service for Android.

Apple even offered to knock an existing product out of the lawsuit to appease the judge, keeping the total number of products in question at 22 with the inclusion of the Galaxy S4. But that wasn't enough for Grewal, who hopes to keep the case on track for a scheduled March 2014 trial date.
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  • Reply 1 of 38
    macfandavemacfandave Posts: 603member
    With such a gap between the speed of the court and the speed at which smartphones and tablets are currently advancing, Apple's course of action should be obvious: blatantly rip off any good ideas from any of the competitors and incorporate them into the iThings. By the time the courts get around to taking action, the device in question is at least two generations in the past.

    I really don't think there are any features from Samsung, Android, Windows Phone, Blackberry, etc. that I'd really want, but I am guessing there may be some that would be popular. Apple ought to just blow off the IP system and use them. It's obvious that their competitors have no shame or hesitation to steal from Apple, so Apple ought to get off its high horse and steal right back.

    Until our government takes its duty to "establish justice" seriously, Apple has to use the Law of the Jungle and not the Marquess of Queensberry rules.
  • Reply 2 of 38
    herbapouherbapou Posts: 2,221member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post



    Specifically, Apple believes the Galaxy S4 infringes on five patents it owns, related to Siri, data synchronization, and graphical user interface elements. Apple's complaint also took issue with the Google Now assistant service for Android.


     


    Software patents, maybe they should sue Google then... or at least sue Motorola.


    Or the infringements are all on the Samsung layer over Android?

  • Reply 3 of 38

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    Originally Posted by macFanDave View Post



    With such a gap between the speed of the court and the speed at which smartphones and tablets are currently advancing, Apple's course of action should be obvious: blatantly rip off any good ideas from any of the competitors and incorporate them into the iThings. 


     


    Did Sammy give you this line of reasoning?   What "ideas from competitors" are there?  When the competition consists of a shark-tank of rip-off artists, there's no competitor "idea" to steal.


     


    Perhaps Apple should try to file "blank" lawsuits, or simple suits over a triviality, and then when the suit finally makes it to court, they can amend it to include whatever product Sammy is selling at the moment, and drop the trivial claim.  Since it seems to take forever for the US courts to get around to doing anything.

  • Reply 4 of 38
    jax44jax44 Posts: 78member
    The length of time to get a patent case to trial should be weeks to a few months, not years.
    What a joke.
  • Reply 5 of 38
    cnocbuicnocbui Posts: 3,613member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TeaEarleGreyHot View Post


     


    Did Sammy give you this line of reasoning?   What "ideas from competitors" are there?  When the competition consists of a shark-tank of rip-off artists, there's no competitor "idea" to steal.


     


    Perhaps Apple should try to file "blank" lawsuits, or simple suits over a triviality, and then when the suit finally makes it to court, they can amend it to include whatever product Sammy is selling at the moment, and drop the trivial claim.  Since it seems to take forever for the US courts to get around to doing anything.



     


     


    And before that:


     


    Quote:


    What Did Apple Copy From Android and Windows Phone in iOS 6?



    http://pocketnow.com/2012/06/13/what-did-apple-copy-from-android-and-windows-phone-in-ios-6


     


    and...


    Quote:


    Top 10 Features iOS 5 Copied from Android




    http://www.ibtimes.com/top-10-features-ios-5-copied-android-313714#

  • Reply 6 of 38
    jessijessi Posts: 302member
    It's bad enough that the courts are so under staffed and under funded that it takes half a decade to get any progress on these issues.... but now to deny Apple adding current products is inexcusable.

    This shows how the court system is broken. "A tax on the court's resources". Government insists on running the courts and like all government services it charges a lot of taxes and then spends little to provide competent service.

    The courts "resources" should never be a question of justice. If the device is infringing then Apple has the right to pursue it... and adding it to a current case should be more efficient than doing a whole other case -- in terms of everyone's resources.

    Once again we see the lie of the statists when they claim we need the government to provide services--- government never provides quality service and it costs way WAY too much in taxes.

    But politicians don't care, they get rich off of the tax money (by spending it on programs and getting kickbacks or by handing it out to favored contributors to their campaigns, etc.)
  • Reply 7 of 38
    jessijessi Posts: 302member


     


    This article only serves to show how dishonest the android zealots are in their desperation to claim that it was OK for google to rip off iOS.

  • Reply 8 of 38
    jessijessi Posts: 302member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by herbapou View Post

    Software patents, maybe they should sue Google then... or at least sue Motorola.


    Or the infringements are all on the Samsung layer over Android?



     


    Motorola suing Apple was the first patent lawsuit that started the whole "patent war".

  • Reply 9 of 38
    customtbcustomtb Posts: 336member


    I just love all the hoopla about Apple copying shamesungs copy of Apple iOS. 

  • Reply 10 of 38
    robin huberrobin huber Posts: 3,246member
    New suit makes sense to me. One to focus on how current Samsung phones, while now more differentiated, were based on and profited from the initial theft of Apple's IP.
  • Reply 11 of 38
    3eleven3eleven Posts: 87member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Jessi View Post


     


    This article only serves to show how dishonest the android zealots are in their desperation to claim that it was OK for google to rip off iOS.



    Huh?

  • Reply 12 of 38

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    Originally Posted by TeaEarleGreyHot View Post


     


    Did Sammy give you this line of reasoning?   What "ideas from competitors" are there?  When the competition consists of a shark-tank of rip-off artists, there's no competitor "idea" to steal.


     


    Perhaps Apple should try to file "blank" lawsuits, or simple suits over a triviality, and then when the suit finally makes it to court, they can amend it to include whatever product Sammy is selling at the moment, and drop the trivial claim.  Since it seems to take forever for the US courts to get around to doing anything.





    "A blind squirrel finds an acorn every now and then."  Sure, most of Samsung's "features" are silly gimmicks, but even if they stumble upon a cool trick, Apple ought to shamelessly adopt it as partial payback for the wholesale theft Samsung committed.  Every now and then, my hands are wet or dirty and I'd rather not make physical contact with my gorgeous iPhone, so I could occasionally use those remote gestures.


     


    The main point is that the courts are so slow, the devices will be obsolete before they face justice.  The government ought to set up a fast-track court for high-profile, fast-moving technology.

  • Reply 13 of 38
    philboogiephilboogie Posts: 7,438member
    Phase 4: rinse and repeat.
  • Reply 14 of 38
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,399member
    cnocbui wrote: »
    [links]

    lol.
    3eleven wrote: »
    Huh?

    What could possibly have been confusing.
  • Reply 15 of 38
    rednivalrednival Posts: 331member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by herbapou View Post


     


    Software patents, maybe they should sue Google then... or at least sue Motorola.


    Or the infringements are all on the Samsung layer over Android?



     


    There is a reason Apple goes after the hardware.  Software patents are far riskier.  It would be incredibly complicated to explain how Android (in and of itself) is a violation of patents.  It would probably involve showing lines of code to a jury and explaining algorithms and programming concepts in great detail.  Software patents cover concepts and logic, not physical or visual ideas.  


     


    It's far easier to show a jury two devices that look near identical and ask them to decide if it is a patent violation or not.  It's like the difference between a criminal trial with a lot of physical evidence versus a criminal trial with nothing but circumstantial evidence. 

  • Reply 16 of 38

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    Originally Posted by Jessi View Post


     


    This article only serves to show how dishonest the android zealots are in their desperation to claim that it was OK for google to rip off iOS.





    Did you read this article or just talking out of your a... or you are one of those spin doctor graduates.?

  • Reply 17 of 38

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    Originally Posted by macFanDave View Post




    "A blind squirrel finds an acorn every now and then."  Sure, most of Samsung's "features" are silly gimmicks, but even if they stumble upon a cool trick, Apple ought to shamelessly adopt it as partial payback for the wholesale theft Samsung committed.  Every now and then, my hands are wet or dirty and I'd rather not make physical contact with my gorgeous iPhone, so I could occasionally use those remote gestures.


     


    The main point is that the courts are so slow, the devices will be obsolete before they face justice.  The government ought to set up a fast-track court for high-profile, fast-moving technology.



    Can you list some of those "silly gimmicks"? iOS7 is adopting most of them, so iOS is "silly" in your opinion?

  • Reply 18 of 38

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    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post





    lol.

    What could possibly have been confusing.




    Why, you cannot read? and or comprehend info?.

  • Reply 19 of 38

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by andrzejls View Post


    Can you list some of those "silly gimmicks"? iOS7 is adopting most of them, so iOS is "silly" in your opinion?



    The ridiculous phone-bumping.  AirDrop via Bluetooth is much more practical and dignified.


     


    The camera looking at your eyes and stopping video is both creepy and stupid.  We can only imagine what Samsung is doing with the data it harvests from the camera that always watches you.

  • Reply 20 of 38
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,399member
    andrzejls wrote: »
    Why, you cannot read? and or comprehend info?.

    Whoop, you quoted the wrong one.
    andrzejls wrote: »
    Can you list some of those "silly gimmicks"? iOS7 is adopting most of them, so iOS is "silly" in your opinion?

    If you don't even know what the gimmicks are, how can you POSSIBLY say that iOS is "adopting most of them"? :no:

    Think before you troll.
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