Samsung is scaling back on their oversized phones as they aren't selling nearly as well. The span of the human hand most commonly known is the target.
Thats because they keep putting bigger screens on them, at some point they were bound to reach a breakpoint were bigger just wont work anymore. Looks like 5" is when a phone enters the phablet territory. So anything between 4.5" and 5" is a good size for a "phone".
BTW did you guys looked at the S4, it beats the crap out of the iphone 5 on every metrics. Thats what an high end smartphone should look like.
But wonder why apple has not put out a bigger phone yet... This is a big mistake....
Ios is competing against android available on so many manufactures ... Sizes and price points.
To compete effectively apple has to address different sizes. It boggles my mind that they are so slow and kickback about expanding the iphone lineup. Just dont get it !!!
Apple is not going to expand its user base until its ready to do so. OEMs don't have to worry about platform constraints... that's Google's problem and as we've witnessed from usage stats, not many "Android" smartphones are part of the platform - they're just glorified feature phones..
Apple has to worry about making sure the back end services that support these devices can handle the influx of requests from an expanded product line.
The article is talking Japan not China. This is subjective, but it seems a lot of my friends who are Asian like bigger phones because they only want one device. The phone takes the place of a tablet and or computer. It seems cultural.
I am in Canada and this is what I want too. I dont want to carry 2 devices. Tablets at home and on vacation and the phone for commute and work. I would like a device between 4.5" and 6". What I really want is a phabet but I could settle for a big phone.
imo if Apple release a bigger phone, it should between 4.5" and 5" and they could keep the 4" for the few that wants that "I can edit a pic with one hand BS". Since you are not suppose to dial or text while driving I really dont get that one hand crap. Maybe being able to dial with one hand is good thing, but after that its useless imo.
Very obvious comments. A few years it was Apple or junk when it came to a smartphone. Now, for all intents and purposes, their are options that are reasonable, and cheaper, alternatives. I wonder what the market would look like if Apple had taken the initiative to come out with different sizes and a lower cost model a couple years ago.
Like it or not the quality gap has narrowed significantly and in some respects Samsung offers more advanced features. Arrogance or genius on Apple's part? I guess time will tell if Apple has any other innovations up their sleeves. Right now the more Apple talks about their innovation the less it seems like they are actually innovating.
Well the nice thing about all this is the cheaper share prices makes for a more efficient buyback.
"Apple's phone is no longer "the god of all smartphones." This is a very strong line by CEO in the Business world. I wonder if he was drunk during the interview or if it was his Ego coming in for some reason. By stating such line, is he thinking himself as a god by bashing Apple?
Very obvious comments. A few years it was Apple or junk when it came to a smartphone. Now, for all intents and purposes, their are options that are reasonable, and cheaper, alternatives. I wonder what the market would look like if Apple had taken the initiative to come out with different sizes and a lower cost model a couple years ago.
Like it or not the quality gap has narrowed significantly and in some respects Samsung offers more advanced features. Arrogance or genius on Apple's part? I guess time will tell if Apple has any other innovations up their sleeves. Right now the more Apple talks about their innovation the less it seems like they are actually innovating.
Well the nice thing about all this is the cheaper share prices makes for a more efficient buyback.
I think there are some very good Android phones and many Android-bashers here have never really used one. They just think worshipping Apple must be accompanied by bashing everything else. But I am intrigued by the mention of more advanced features on android. What might those be?
Samsung is scaling back on their oversized phones as they aren't selling nearly as well. The span of the human hand most commonly known is the target.
Hand size be damned. That's like saying the physical wheel wells in cars will stop "urban wheels" from getting to 30- or 40-inches, wrapped in ever-lower profile rubber bands. In the race to one-up your competition, you don't want to be seen driving a Chrysler 300 with uncool 20-inch rims.
Apple reached the limit for what a 4" premium can do. If they want a higher volume of sales (if) and more profit they need:
- A premium 5" line together with the premium 4" line and current models (or a iPod-like phone, with only 1 or 2 gen behind hardware, not 3 or 4);
- A cheaper iPhone together with the current 4" (oh no, don't do it like that!);
- keep doing the same thing, but let carriers putting some crapware on it.
If they don't do one of those, they will lose the "extra" power that's so useful to have carriers doing what they want. DoCoMo, China Mobile, etc won't need to bend to Apple's demands.
But a 5" premium line? Oh yes they would.
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Originally Posted by pedromartins
Who said something about China? But now that to mention it, yes.
In Europe, India and Chine is ALL about big screens. Apple can have it all, they don't even need a cheaper iPhone, just another premium 5" line. Then, 500 stores in China, 500 india, 600 Europe and Global iTunes and Ecosystem. No delays, no "US" App store crap. Just "global" app store.
Here, the tips for iOS domination. Give me a beer.
I love reading this guys posts. First reaction I always get is "what the heck is this guy talking about"? But then afterwards I always have a good chuckle as I recognize that this is his own naive opinion (I dont think he realizes Apple does tons of research on this stuff and what he wants is not necessarily what the majority wants). It is ALMOST as good as reading 'The Daily WTF'...
I'll end with this: Apple is good at figuring out what most people want or making them want something customers didn't even know they wanted. They may make a bigger phone, they may not. Apple will do what it thinks is best, not what some bloke on the internet who thinks he has the next best idea since sliced bread.
IPhone will be on the largest carrier within a few years when SoftBank grows larger than Docomo if they don't get iPhone first. Docomo marketshare in Japan is steadily decreasing.
Sony is of course Japanese, so I'm sure it is partly Japan pulling together as no.1.
Where the carriers get it wrong is that they believe its all about them.....the iphone is about the iphone for me...the carrier is merely a way for me to use it...and if I didn't have too I wouldn't!
Good to see Sony faring better... They had all that ecosystem once..... as apple do now.
Its necessary to explain the economics of the carriers - often different outside the US.
1) They lose money the day you buy the phone. Lets say that for the iPhone that is a cost on average of $450 and for Samsung it is a cost of $300. 2) They gain money per month in the contract. However the contract price outside America is not really related to the original price of the phone, you pay more for better contract terms, unlimited data, texts etc. The expensive phone is a sweetener for expensive contracts, but that's it. 3) The monthly consumer payment for iPhones and Samsung devices is about the same, so it takes longer for carriers to get the upfront iPhone costs back. 4) They also make money if you over use your phone, particularly data, but iPhones would probably be sold with unlimited data at the high end, and Apple with iMessage has potentially cost them some revenue with texts, and voice with FaceTime. Although the text and voice limit on high contracts is really high. 5) They make money from installed "crapware" and "services" on Android phones, and in fact these services - like cloud for instance - can also lock people into a carrier.
So unless the iPhone is so much better than the other phones, and so much more in demand, or you have guaranteed exclusivity there is little advantage to iPhones at the moment and far more for Android, particularly in countries where consumers prefer bigger screens.
No doubt there will be arguments but thats the reality. Me? I would give carriers a take, say 30%, of the App Store revenue - that is of Apple's take, because taking 70% of a market which is potentially twice as big as now is more than 100 % of todays market. As for crapware a compromise would be a permanent link on the app store to the carriers stuff. in the banners at the top, maybe.
And, this is Japan. No nonsense about people not paying for apps. Anyone who knows shareware knows the Japanese are the most honest consumers.
If Apple doesn't do this it doesn't really matter to most carriers whether they get the iPhone or not.
I love reading this guys posts. First reaction I always get is "what the heck is this guy talking about"? :???: But then afterwards I always have a good chuckle as I recognize that this is his own naive opinion (I dont think he realizes Apple does tons of research on this stuff and what he wants is not necessarily what the majority wants). It is ALMOST as good as reading 'The Daily WTF'...
I'll end with this: Apple is good at figuring out what most people want or making them want something customers didn't even know they wanted. They may make a bigger phone, they may not. Apple will do what it thinks is best, not what some bloke on the internet who thinks he has the next best idea since sliced bread.
He is merely saying what he sees - and the evidence and stats show. You on the other hand are hoping for a unicorn.
I'm a little curious how Apple would market a larger display to the public when they currently take pride in enlarging the screen "the right way" by making it taller but not wider (http://www.apple.com/iphone/features/)
No doubt there will be arguments but thats the reality. Me? I would give carriers a take, say 30%, of the App Store revenue - that is of Apple's take, because taking 70% of a market which is potentially twice as big as now is more than 100 % of todays market.
From what I've read, Apple already shares their App Store revenue, with carriers who made it part of their deal for carrying the iPhone.
(Some carriers used to make some pretty good money from their own feature phone app stores.)
He is merely saying what he thinks he sees - and the evidence and stats show what the media and analysts want them to show. You on the other hand are hoping for a an awesome product produced by Apple.
FTFY.
I am just a random bloke on the internet just as he is. It is interesting to see someone else's 'common sense' at work when it defies my own common sense. I would argue the 4.5+" iPhone is the unicorn "bigger screen is better" enthusiasts are hoping for. THAT really is a fictional beast until Apple releases one.
I'm a little curious how Apple would market a larger display to the public when they currently take pride in enlarging the screen "the right way" by making it taller but not wider (http://www.apple.com/iphone/features/)
The same way that they brought out the iPad mini after their CEO claimed that the original model was the minimum size for tablets, and that any smaller would require sandpapered fingertips.
He is merely saying what he thinks he sees - and the evidence and stats show what the media and analysts want them to show. You on the other hand are hoping for a an awesome product produced by Apple.
FTFY.
I am just a random bloke on the internet just as he is. It is interesting to see someone else's 'common sense' at work when it defies my own common sense. I would argue the 4.5+" iPhone is the unicorn "bigger screen is better" enthusiasts are hoping for. THAT really is a fictional beast until Apple releases one.
Clearly you never used a phone with a bigger screen. Give it a day.
Even if inferior as a device, the bigger screen alone makes it a gazillion times better to do everything you use your iPhone for. I said 5" but I don't care it it is 4.7 or 5.01. It has to be bigger, but that that big.
The phone functionality is secondary for everyone I see and talk with. An iPhone with a bigger screen is simply a better iPhone for millions of people willing to pay good dollars. Every one that buys an s4, one, z, zl, z ultra, bla bla is a potential sale lost. That's how many dozens of million per quarter?
You don't need research, go outside. People actually love big screens, even if some people take it to the extreme with bricks, like everything else.
I'm a little curious how Apple would market a larger display to the public when they currently take pride in enlarging the screen "the right way" by making it taller but not wider (http://www.apple.com/iphone/features/)
The same way that they brought out the iPad mini after their CEO claimed that the original model was the minimum size for tablets, and that any smaller would require sandpapered fingertips.
He only said that 7" is stupid and for stupid people. Because of that they made a screen that offers 40% more real estate on portrait and called iPad mini.
Who said something about China? But now that to mention it, yes.
In Europe, India and Chine is ALL about big screens. Apple can have it all, they don't even need a cheaper iPhone, just another premium 5" line. Then, 500 stores in China, 500 india, 600 Europe and Global iTunes and Ecosystem. No delays, no "US" App store crap. Just "global" app store.
Here, the tips for iOS domination. Give me a beer.
What makes you think iOS doesn't dominate now? Most usage statistics indicate that iOS does indeed dominate.
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Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer
Samsung is scaling back on their oversized phones as they aren't selling nearly as well. The span of the human hand most commonly known is the target.
Thats because they keep putting bigger screens on them, at some point they were bound to reach a breakpoint were bigger just wont work anymore. Looks like 5" is when a phone enters the phablet territory. So anything between 4.5" and 5" is a good size for a "phone".
BTW did you guys looked at the S4, it beats the crap out of the iphone 5 on every metrics. Thats what an high end smartphone should look like.
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Originally Posted by Yojimbo007
I love my iphone and ipad...
But wonder why apple has not put out a bigger phone yet... This is a big mistake....
Ios is competing against android available on so many manufactures ... Sizes and price points.
To compete effectively apple has to address different sizes. It boggles my mind that they are so slow and kickback about expanding the iphone lineup. Just dont get it !!!
Apple is not going to expand its user base until its ready to do so. OEMs don't have to worry about platform constraints... that's Google's problem and as we've witnessed from usage stats, not many "Android" smartphones are part of the platform - they're just glorified feature phones..
Apple has to worry about making sure the back end services that support these devices can handle the influx of requests from an expanded product line.
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Originally Posted by TBell
The article is talking Japan not China. This is subjective, but it seems a lot of my friends who are Asian like bigger phones because they only want one device. The phone takes the place of a tablet and or computer. It seems cultural.
I am in Canada and this is what I want too. I dont want to carry 2 devices. Tablets at home and on vacation and the phone for commute and work. I would like a device between 4.5" and 6". What I really want is a phabet but I could settle for a big phone.
imo if Apple release a bigger phone, it should between 4.5" and 5" and they could keep the 4" for the few that wants that "I can edit a pic with one hand BS". Since you are not suppose to dial or text while driving I really dont get that one hand crap. Maybe being able to dial with one hand is good thing, but after that its useless imo.
Very obvious comments. A few years it was Apple or junk when it came to a smartphone. Now, for all intents and purposes, their are options that are reasonable, and cheaper, alternatives. I wonder what the market would look like if Apple had taken the initiative to come out with different sizes and a lower cost model a couple years ago.
Like it or not the quality gap has narrowed significantly and in some respects Samsung offers more advanced features. Arrogance or genius on Apple's part? I guess time will tell if Apple has any other innovations up their sleeves. Right now the more Apple talks about their innovation the less it seems like they are actually innovating.
Well the nice thing about all this is the cheaper share prices makes for a more efficient buyback.
This qualifies as bashing?
You're not god. Is that bashing?
I think there are some very good Android phones and many Android-bashers here have never really used one. They just think worshipping Apple must be accompanied by bashing everything else. But I am intrigued by the mention of more advanced features on android. What might those be?
Hand size be damned. That's like saying the physical wheel wells in cars will stop "urban wheels" from getting to 30- or 40-inches, wrapped in ever-lower profile rubber bands. In the race to one-up your competition, you don't want to be seen driving a Chrysler 300 with uncool 20-inch rims.
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Originally Posted by pedromartins
Apple reached the limit for what a 4" premium can do. If they want a higher volume of sales (if) and more profit they need:
- A premium 5" line together with the premium 4" line and current models (or a iPod-like phone, with only 1 or 2 gen behind hardware, not 3 or 4);
- A cheaper iPhone together with the current 4" (oh no, don't do it like that!);
- keep doing the same thing, but let carriers putting some crapware on it.
If they don't do one of those, they will lose the "extra" power that's so useful to have carriers doing what they want. DoCoMo, China Mobile, etc won't need to bend to Apple's demands.
But a 5" premium line? Oh yes they would.
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Originally Posted by pedromartins
Who said something about China? But now that to mention it, yes.
In Europe, India and Chine is ALL about big screens. Apple can have it all, they don't even need a cheaper iPhone, just another premium 5" line. Then, 500 stores in China, 500 india, 600 Europe and Global iTunes and Ecosystem. No delays, no "US" App store crap. Just "global" app store.
Here, the tips for iOS domination. Give me a beer.
I love reading this guys posts. First reaction I always get is "what the heck is this guy talking about"?
I'll end with this: Apple is good at figuring out what most people want or making them want something customers didn't even know they wanted. They may make a bigger phone, they may not. Apple will do what it thinks is best, not what some bloke on the internet who thinks he has the next best idea since sliced bread.
Agreed on a bigger screen size and other innovations.
Apple(Tim Cook) should take to heart what SJ advised concerning NOT to think what SJ would do...
I have an iPhone 4 and considering an upgrade---and the HTC One looks very nice (vs iPhone 5).
The only thing holding me back is android (vs IOS).
I also chose Lightroom 4 over Aperature.
Same reason: lack of innovation and upgrade.
And although I wouldn't buy Samsung for the game they play, I admire their recent innovation with the Galaxy S4 ACTIVE.
Think about it: cracked screens and water damage are the 2 primary icebergs for the iPhone.
How obvious does it need to be for Apple to bring greater value to the iPhone by simply addressing these 2 issues?!?
Or producing a 4.5 or 4.75" screen? Keep the same width, just length it 1/2 to 3/4".
Or making the screen without any border?
Honestly, we're not talking earth shaking innovations.
And I believe my Apple stock is sucking air because other investors see similar tail spin.
Where the carriers get it wrong is that they believe its all about them.....the iphone is about the iphone for me...the carrier is merely a way for me to use it...and if I didn't have too I wouldn't!
Good to see Sony faring better... They had all that ecosystem once..... as apple do now.
1) They lose money the day you buy the phone. Lets say that for the iPhone that is a cost on average of $450 and for Samsung it is a cost of $300.
2) They gain money per month in the contract. However the contract price outside America is not really related to the original price of the phone, you pay more for better contract terms, unlimited data, texts etc. The expensive phone is a sweetener for expensive contracts, but that's it.
3) The monthly consumer payment for iPhones and Samsung devices is about the same, so it takes longer for carriers to get the upfront iPhone costs back.
4) They also make money if you over use your phone, particularly data, but iPhones would probably be sold with unlimited data at the high end, and Apple with iMessage has potentially cost them some revenue with texts, and voice with FaceTime. Although the text and voice limit on high contracts is really high.
5) They make money from installed "crapware" and "services" on Android phones, and in fact these services - like cloud for instance - can also lock people into a carrier.
So unless the iPhone is so much better than the other phones, and so much more in demand, or you have guaranteed exclusivity there is little advantage to iPhones at the moment and far more for Android, particularly in countries where consumers prefer bigger screens.
No doubt there will be arguments but thats the reality. Me? I would give carriers a take, say 30%, of the App Store revenue - that is of Apple's take, because taking 70% of a market which is potentially twice as big as now is more than 100 % of todays market. As for crapware a compromise would be a permanent link on the app store to the carriers stuff. in the banners at the top, maybe.
And, this is Japan. No nonsense about people not paying for apps. Anyone who knows shareware knows the Japanese are the most honest consumers.
If Apple doesn't do this it doesn't really matter to most carriers whether they get the iPhone or not.
He is merely saying what he sees - and the evidence and stats show. You on the other hand are hoping for a unicorn.
I'm a little curious how Apple would market a larger display to the public when they currently take pride in enlarging the screen "the right way" by making it taller but not wider (http://www.apple.com/iphone/features/)
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No doubt there will be arguments but thats the reality. Me? I would give carriers a take, say 30%, of the App Store revenue - that is of Apple's take, because taking 70% of a market which is potentially twice as big as now is more than 100 % of todays market.
From what I've read, Apple already shares their App Store revenue, with carriers who made it part of their deal for carrying the iPhone.
(Some carriers used to make some pretty good money from their own feature phone app stores.)
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Originally Posted by asdasd
He is merely saying what he thinks he sees - and the evidence and stats show what the media and analysts want them to show. You on the other hand are hoping for a an awesome product produced by Apple.
FTFY.
I am just a random bloke on the internet just as he is. It is interesting to see someone else's 'common sense' at work when it defies my own common sense. I would argue the 4.5+" iPhone is the unicorn "bigger screen is better" enthusiasts are hoping for. THAT really is a fictional beast until Apple releases one.
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Originally Posted by d4NjvRzf
I'm a little curious how Apple would market a larger display to the public when they currently take pride in enlarging the screen "the right way" by making it taller but not wider (http://www.apple.com/iphone/features/)
The same way that they brought out the iPad mini after their CEO claimed that the original model was the minimum size for tablets, and that any smaller would require sandpapered fingertips.
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Originally Posted by asdasd
He is merely saying what he thinks he sees - and the evidence and stats show what the media and analysts want them to show. You on the other hand are hoping for a an awesome product produced by Apple.
FTFY.
I am just a random bloke on the internet just as he is. It is interesting to see someone else's 'common sense' at work when it defies my own common sense. I would argue the 4.5+" iPhone is the unicorn "bigger screen is better" enthusiasts are hoping for. THAT really is a fictional beast until Apple releases one.
Clearly you never used a phone with a bigger screen. Give it a day.
Even if inferior as a device, the bigger screen alone makes it a gazillion times better to do everything you use your iPhone for. I said 5" but I don't care it it is 4.7 or 5.01. It has to be bigger, but that that big.
The phone functionality is secondary for everyone I see and talk with. An iPhone with a bigger screen is simply a better iPhone for millions of people willing to pay good dollars. Every one that buys an s4, one, z, zl, z ultra, bla bla is a potential sale lost. That's how many dozens of million per quarter?
You don't need research, go outside. People actually love big screens, even if some people take it to the extreme with bricks, like everything else.
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Originally Posted by d4NjvRzf
I'm a little curious how Apple would market a larger display to the public when they currently take pride in enlarging the screen "the right way" by making it taller but not wider (http://www.apple.com/iphone/features/)
The same way that they brought out the iPad mini after their CEO claimed that the original model was the minimum size for tablets, and that any smaller would require sandpapered fingertips.
He only said that 7" is stupid and for stupid people. Because of that they made a screen that offers 40% more real estate on portrait and called iPad mini.
What makes you think iOS doesn't dominate now? Most usage statistics indicate that iOS does indeed dominate.