I think Apple has a great game plan if what I hope is happening is actually taking place, and that is; building technology that others can't get. Such as custom processors with design/features that would take a couple years to duplicate, which by then, you have the next iteration. Battery technology that puts your products in a league others won't be able to obtain over the next 1-3 years. Just two examples of many. If you can stay far enough ahead of competition, they wither away.
So, you believe your "hopes" is reality. It is not! It's just you dreaming. Apple certainly has the money to make aggressive, advanced research but they are not doing it. Apple is afraid of taking risks. All of their "research" is how to make the iphone "thinner"! They just sit on that pile of cash. Apple actualy spend less than others on research! They spend a lot of cash on marketing instead. They could spend 50 billion on battery technology and make a breakthrough in the field, but they aren't doing it. They don't want to take risks! Apple likes too much the cash! Wake up from your dreams!
Apple past? What Apple past? There is no "Apple past" or "Apple way"! There was just "Steve Jobs way" and I have bad news for you, Steve Jobs is DEAD! And I have more bad news for you. You can not teach Genius! No more Steve Jobs, no more "Apple way"!
Troll fight! Now this is hilarious.. Don't worry guys, you're on the same team.
It would be so interesting I wouldn't be able to contain myself and sell my iPhone out of pure excitement. Sorry, some of us are iPhone and Google fans all at the same time. Didn't get the memo I had to hate one of them because Jobs and Schmidt got into a slap fight a few years ago. Please don't let Android's 75%+ market share make that heart so cold and bitter guys, there's plenty of great Google services on the iPhone. In fact, we get almost 90% of Google's features including their awesome Google Now search.
You could change it back to Google if Bing was the default.
Apple past? What Apple past? There is no "Apple past" or "Apple way"! There was just "Steve Jobs way" and I have bad news for you, Steve Jobs is DEAD! And I have more bad news for you. You can not teach Genius! No more Steve Jobs, no more "Apple way"!
So, you believe your "hopes" is reality. It is not! It's just you dreaming. Apple certainly has the money to make aggressive, advanced research but they are not doing it. Apple is afraid of taking risks. All of their "research" is how to make the iphone "thinner"! They just sit on that pile of cash. Apple actualy spend less than others on research! They spend a lot of cash on marketing instead. They could spend 50 billion on battery technology and make a breakthrough in the field, but they aren't doing it. They don't want to take risks! Apple likes too much the cash! Wake up from your dreams!
Again, the sarcasm tag was forgotten. Perhaps you didn't see iOS 7, the MacPro, or anything else in recent history.
That's correct. Since it's not sold as a product, it wasn't intended to be a commercial success in that sense. It's not like Microsoft with Windows.
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I believe MS gets something like $4 a pop for some patent rights they asserted.
Yep. HTC, Samsung and Hon Hai (the parent company of Foxconn) have all signed licensing agreements with Microsoft. AFAIK, Google and Motorola have not.
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(And someone can correct me on this - at one point I thought I heard Apple gets a minor amount as well??)
Google pays various entities a fee to make them the default search engine. For instance, the Mozilla Foundation gets a few hundred million dollars a year for that.
Likewise, Apple also sells their default search engine spot. They likely pit Microsoft against Google, to get the price up. Reportedly Google paid only $82 million in 2009 for the privilege, but analysts think that figure is heading towards $1 billion next year, being partly based on device numbers.
I love how Google just throws things against the wall. No one ever said that Apple is definitely releasing a watch or a game console. I bet they both fail...
I believe MS gets something like $4 a pop for some patent rights they asserted.
MS gets royalties from pretty much every Android vendor out there, except for Motorola who has been battling MS in court and losing spectacularly. Even heavy-hitters like Samsung have signed up. However, nobody knows how much MS is getting per device. There have been figures from $4 to $15 thrown around, but since MS makes sure there's an NDA, we never find out.
The real issue isn't how much MS makes per device - it's that Google is giving away a "free, open source" OS that contains IP that belongs to MS. Worse yet, instead of Google taking a single license from MS and indemnifying OEM's they left all their OEM's out to dry so they had to each make individual deals with MS. This is a pattern with Google. They also stated that WebM video was "free from patent encumbrances". Recently they settled with MPEG-LA but still have on-going legal issues with Nokia and others about VP8 and VP9. Again, just another example of Google giving away stuff it claims is free without checking for any possible patent infringement (or securing licenses for same).
On another note, I love how companies spend so much time trying to "predict" what Apple might be doing and beating them to market. Remember Smart TV's last year when the Apple TV rumors really started picking up? Apple is the elephant in the room even when they're doing/announcing nothing.
Apple now a company run by out of touch middle aged white American males, completely out of touch with those not like them. Why else would they hire John Malcovich as a IPhone spokesperson while Samsung has LeBron James. Apple is completely out of touch.
Apple past? What Apple past? There is no "Apple past" or "Apple way"! There was just "Steve Jobs way" and I have bad news for you, Steve Jobs is DEAD! And I have more bad news for you. You can not teach Genius! No more Steve Jobs, no more "Apple way"!
Says a lot about a company when it starts a fight against imaginary products. Also says a lot about a company that its imaginary products have more heft then other companies' corporeal products.
MS gets royalties from pretty much every Android vendor out there, except for Motorola who has been battling MS in court and losing spectacularly. Even heavy-hitters like Samsung have signed up. However, nobody knows how much MS is getting per device. There have been figures from $4 to $15 thrown around, but since MS makes sure there's an NDA, we never find out.
The real issue isn't how much MS makes per device - it's that Google is giving away a "free, open source" OS that contains IP that belongs to MS.
No one knows that. MS insists on keeping the patents "secret" that they claim might be infringed by Android. By requiring an NDA before even beginning negotiations they keep the patent claims from being challenged before licenses are offered. In truth there may not be any big issues with Android and Microsoft IP to begin with. More than one article has suggested that MS is for the most part simply recycling old patent claims made against Linux a few years ago and already dismissed as not applicable. They got smarter this time and won't reveal what they are in advance of an NDA.
As far as rumors of how much licensees are paying for the MS patent package the $Billion dollar numbers might be spread by MS themselves to assist in negotiations with remaining potential licensees. Because both the patents and license fees are kept under wraps I personally suspect the actual royalties being negotiated are on the low side. Keep the royalties small enough and it's not worth the legal fees to fight them, which I think is what's going on. Barnes & Noble is the only one I can think of to take it to as far as court and MS threw money at them, essentially reverse payments, to keep them quiet about the patents at stake. Seems like it was several hundred million dollars MS invested in B&N last fall IIRC.
I heavily doubt Google is developing a watch or a gaming console. I consider this nothing more than analyst bunk along the lines of an Apple watch, Apple television set, low-cost iPhone, etc.
It would be so cool if Apple had decided long ago that a watch was a dead end, but continued to use it as a decoy to mask development of an entirely new game-changing product category.
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Originally Posted by anonymouse
They'll fail, just like they've failed with Android, but that's their MO.
Actually, Android's not a commercial failure.
I believe MS gets something like $4 a pop for some patent rights they asserted.
(And someone can correct me on this - at one point I thought I heard Apple gets a minor amount as well??)
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Originally Posted by Richard Getz
I think Apple has a great game plan if what I hope is happening is actually taking place, and that is; building technology that others can't get. Such as custom processors with design/features that would take a couple years to duplicate, which by then, you have the next iteration. Battery technology that puts your products in a league others won't be able to obtain over the next 1-3 years. Just two examples of many. If you can stay far enough ahead of competition, they wither away.
So, you believe your "hopes" is reality. It is not! It's just you dreaming. Apple certainly has the money to make aggressive, advanced research but they are not doing it. Apple is afraid of taking risks. All of their "research" is how to make the iphone "thinner"! They just sit on that pile of cash. Apple actualy spend less than others on research! They spend a lot of cash on marketing instead. They could spend 50 billion on battery technology and make a breakthrough in the field, but they aren't doing it. They don't want to take risks! Apple likes too much the cash! Wake up from your dreams!
Troll fight! Now this is hilarious.. Don't worry guys, you're on the same team.
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Originally Posted by NelsonX
Apple actualy spend less than others on research! They spend a lot of cash on marketing instead...
Samsung spend more on marketing than Apple, HP, Dell, Microsoft and Coca Cola combined...
...is your Android fridge running?
Well you'd better go and catch it before it gets away.
You could change it back to Google if Bing was the default.
You forgot the sarcasm tag.
EV values debt is that tells you how much it's crap. It's only useful for acquiring companies.
Again, the sarcasm tag was forgotten. Perhaps you didn't see iOS 7, the MacPro, or anything else in recent history.
Just like with Apple, it's not Google claiming a smartwatch is imminent. Just another vaporware rumor like iWatch or 4K iTV.
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Originally Posted by bigpics
Actually, Android's not a commercial failure.
That's correct. Since it's not sold as a product, it wasn't intended to be a commercial success in that sense. It's not like Microsoft with Windows.
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I believe MS gets something like $4 a pop for some patent rights they asserted.
Yep. HTC, Samsung and Hon Hai (the parent company of Foxconn) have all signed licensing agreements with Microsoft. AFAIK, Google and Motorola have not.
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(And someone can correct me on this - at one point I thought I heard Apple gets a minor amount as well??)
Google pays various entities a fee to make them the default search engine. For instance, the Mozilla Foundation gets a few hundred million dollars a year for that.
Likewise, Apple also sells their default search engine spot. They likely pit Microsoft against Google, to get the price up. Reportedly Google paid only $82 million in 2009 for the privilege, but analysts think that figure is heading towards $1 billion next year, being partly based on device numbers.
I love how Google just throws things against the wall. No one ever said that Apple is definitely releasing a watch or a game console. I bet they both fail...
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Originally Posted by bigpics
I believe MS gets something like $4 a pop for some patent rights they asserted.
MS gets royalties from pretty much every Android vendor out there, except for Motorola who has been battling MS in court and losing spectacularly. Even heavy-hitters like Samsung have signed up. However, nobody knows how much MS is getting per device. There have been figures from $4 to $15 thrown around, but since MS makes sure there's an NDA, we never find out.
The real issue isn't how much MS makes per device - it's that Google is giving away a "free, open source" OS that contains IP that belongs to MS. Worse yet, instead of Google taking a single license from MS and indemnifying OEM's they left all their OEM's out to dry so they had to each make individual deals with MS. This is a pattern with Google. They also stated that WebM video was "free from patent encumbrances". Recently they settled with MPEG-LA but still have on-going legal issues with Nokia and others about VP8 and VP9. Again, just another example of Google giving away stuff it claims is free without checking for any possible patent infringement (or securing licenses for same).
On another note, I love how companies spend so much time trying to "predict" what Apple might be doing and beating them to market. Remember Smart TV's last year when the Apple TV rumors really started picking up? Apple is the elephant in the room even when they're doing/announcing nothing.
'Kay. Shut up and go away, now.
The Apple TV has been open to the App Store for two years now. It would not be "better" to have apps "on" the Apple TV. It would be objectively worse.
Dear Apple,
We don't care. We'll just get the courts to say your patents don't matter.
Sincerely, Google.
/s
No one knows that. MS insists on keeping the patents "secret" that they claim might be infringed by Android. By requiring an NDA before even beginning negotiations they keep the patent claims from being challenged before licenses are offered. In truth there may not be any big issues with Android and Microsoft IP to begin with. More than one article has suggested that MS is for the most part simply recycling old patent claims made against Linux a few years ago and already dismissed as not applicable. They got smarter this time and won't reveal what they are in advance of an NDA.
As far as rumors of how much licensees are paying for the MS patent package the $Billion dollar numbers might be spread by MS themselves to assist in negotiations with remaining potential licensees. Because both the patents and license fees are kept under wraps I personally suspect the actual royalties being negotiated are on the low side. Keep the royalties small enough and it's not worth the legal fees to fight them, which I think is what's going on. Barnes & Noble is the only one I can think of to take it to as far as court and MS threw money at them, essentially reverse payments, to keep them quiet about the patents at stake. Seems like it was several hundred million dollars MS invested in B&N last fall IIRC.
I heavily doubt Google is developing a watch or a gaming console. I consider this nothing more than analyst bunk along the lines of an Apple watch, Apple television set, low-cost iPhone, etc.
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Feel free to enlighten me, but however they phrased it, they clearly had an anti apple agenda.
Edit: I bet Murdoch is pissed about all the money he lost with The Daily.
Sorry, I should have just linked this last night but I was tired.
http://www.investopedia.com/terms/e/enterprisevalue.asp