Never happen. Apple doesn't allow "suites" in the first place, and even Microsoft (who would have to be the people that make it), have already ruled on this. It ain't gonna happen. Never, ever, ever.
My advice is to give up the 1990's dream and think of different ways to work. Move forward not back.
I'm not sure about never. Currently, Microsoft is refusing to come out with a full iPad version to try to bolster its surface sales. If/when they realize that this strategy is a total failure, they might decide to cut their losses and release Office for iOS.
Not allowing suites on the App Store is not an insurmountable problem. They could simply copy Apples strategy and offer each app seperately, or they could come up with another scheme to get around it.
I'm all for moving foreward, but currently I dont see a viable replacement for Office. Specifically, i dont know of any other spreadsheet software that is as well thought out and includes something like the VBA functionality as does Excel. Though an iOS version will likely have much of this functionality removed, untill someone else comes along who can improve on this Office will remain the standard for productivity software.
You said this.
iPad does not have SD Card Slot means that, it has to read it via Wi-Fi or Cellular. Card reader needs less battery power than the Wi-Fi radio.
And, if this is not truth, Apple would not make the accessory. And, it is Apple's Digital Life Design that, they would eradicate such peripherals.
You've got it backward. Even on the desktop, Apple is moving to a limited number of essential ports (TB, USB) and leaving any additional ports that only a select crowd uses to peripherals. Look at the new Mac Pro.
The iPad will NEVER get an SD slot, a USB port, etc. It flies in the face of everything the iPad is.
That's why, if you really need one, there's an optional accessory.
I'm not sure about never. Currently, Microsoft is refusing to come out with a full iPad version to try to bolster its surface sales. If/when they realize that this strategy is a total failure, they might decide to cut their losses and release Office for iOS.
Not allowing suites on the App Store is not an insurmountable problem. They could simply copy Apples strategy and offer each app seperately, or they could come up with another scheme to get around it.
I'm all for moving foreward, but currently I dont see a viable replacement for Office. Specifically, i dont know of any other spreadsheet software that is as well thought out and includes something like the VBA functionality as does Excel. Though an iOS version will likely have much of this functionality removed, untill someone else comes along who can improve on this Office will remain the standard for productivity software.
How often would the average person need to use VBA on the iPad?
I've never had to use VBA period, even on the desktop. And it's not like I don't use spreadsheets all the time.
Numbers does 99% of what the average user needs to do. Most people just think they need Office because of the brand recognition.
That said, while I love Numbers on the desktop, I find the iPad version unusable. Maybe it's just the form factor and necessary UI. I don't know.
I'm not sure about never. Currently, Microsoft is refusing to come out with a full iPad version to try to bolster its surface sales. If/when they realize that this strategy is a total failure, they might decide to cut their losses and release Office for iOS.
Not allowing suites on the App Store is not an insurmountable problem. They could simply copy Apples strategy and offer each app seperately, or they could come up with another scheme to get around it.
I'm all for moving foreward, but currently I dont see a viable replacement for Office. Specifically, i dont know of any other spreadsheet software that is as well thought out and includes something like the VBA functionality as does Excel. Though an iOS version will likely have much of this functionality removed, untill someone else comes along who can improve on this Office will remain the standard for productivity software.
No, Microsoft has already revealed their hand on this. The strategy (and its probably a good one for them) is Office 360 on mobile devices and selling through subscription only. They've also as much as confirmed that they will be going this way for the desktop as well in the near future. Most copies of Office are sold on bulk licences already anyway. The person that goes to the store and buys a copy of Office (online or retail), for themselves is all but extinct already. Those that do are just a small part of their business at best.
I would estimate that it would take a complete collapse and reorganisation of Microsoft to really change this direction, and even then it might not make sense to whomever the new owners are. It seems likely then that ifOffice ever arrives as discrete iOS apps for Word, Excel, etc. that we're looking at a good five to seven years from now at least.
You have to realise that the average Office user outside of the enterprise has no use for things like VBA and no need for the few specific advanced spreadsheet functions that can only be found in Excel. Office is really moving to an enterprise only kind of thing, thus the reason for the new licensing model which doesn't appeal to the average consumer.
This divide will only get larger over time, not smaller. In a few years you will be reading articles that raise the question of whether Office is even something a non enterprise user should consider using.
You've got it backward. Even on the desktop, Apple is moving to a limited number of essential ports (TB, USB) and leaving any additional ports that only a select crowd uses to peripherals. Look at the new Mac Pro.
But in contrast, the Retina Macbook Pro, the most recent Apple computer redesign that is being sold today, does have an SD card. I don't think you can take any conclusion about what Apple's intentions are as gospel.
Would be nice if Apple didn't hold back everything until calendar Q4. But my guess is iOS 7 will drive the release dates of iOS devices. I can't see Apple shipping new iPhones or iPads with iOS 6 on them. So the question is will iOS 7 be ready to ship by September?
Is it possible for Apple to start shipping Haswell Pros and iMacs in calendar Q3? That would break things up a bit and not have everything coming out at once.
As a mini user I have to disagree. While I'd love an RD, not at the cost of weight, bulk, shorter battery and/or heat. The mini is is a compromise that's all about max portability. Taking that away would not be good IMO.
It's not a matter of good or bad. It's a matter of preference. I prefer RD at the expense of a bit of bull and weight. Good for me. You prefer to keep it light. Good for you. There's no bad or not good in this. No right and wrong.
... The person that goes to the store and buys a copy of Office (online or retail), for themselves is all but extinct already. Those that do are just a small part of their business at best.
Is that an opinion or published fact? I haven't seen any reliable data on this, and would be interested in seeing it.
As a mini user I have to disagree. While I'd love an RD, not at the cost of weight, bulk, shorter battery and/or heat. The mini is is a compromise that's all about max portability. Taking that away would not be good IMO.
Bingo! This is exactly right.I'd be very surprised if Apple made the Mini thicker and heavier to accommodate RD.
I know they did it with the iPad 10".
Having said that, I wouldn't be surprised if Apple figure out how to put an RD on the Mini and also make it thinner, lighter and with the same or better battery life. After all, this is Apple we're talking about, not Dell or HP or Google or samsung.
I'm not sure about never. Currently, Microsoft is refusing to come out with a full iPad version to try to bolster its surface sales. If/when they realize that this strategy is a total failure, they might decide to cut their losses and release Office for iOS.
Not allowing suites on the App Store is not an insurmountable problem. They could simply copy Apples strategy and offer each app seperately, or they could come up with another scheme to get around it.
I'm all for moving foreward, but currently I dont see a viable replacement for Office. Specifically, i dont know of any other spreadsheet software that is as well thought out and includes something like the VBA functionality as does Excel. Though an iOS version will likely have much of this functionality removed, untill someone else comes along who can improve on this Office will remain the standard for productivity software.
Currently Microsoft is pre-loading Windows tablets with Microsoft Office Home and Student 2013. This will likely be an incentive they hope to help drive BayTrail devices later this year.
Example: The Acer Iconia W3 ($349 USD) is an 8inch Windows 8 tablet using CloverTrail (x86).
Pre-loaded with x86 Windows and Office, Microsoft hopes devices like this can take a stab at potential Nexus 7 or more likely iPad Mini customers.
I have a very hard time believing this is true, that it's July and they still haven't figured out whether to adopt a retina display for the mini or not - they decide those things long before now, if they expect to put it in production and spend a month or more stockpiling the device in warehouses around the world so they can meet launch day demands.
As for a fatter mini, I'd prefer they wait till they can figure out how to squeeze the retina (and various necessary additional/modified components) in the existing chassis - the best thing about the mini is its gorgeous form factor, it's what defines the product, to make it fatter would be a detraction from its main feature.
My guess is they have two full prototypes one mini and one without.... and they are weighing the cost to build vs anticipated profits vs cannabilizaion of other iPad lines (Mini 'Classic', iPad 5, iPhone 5s, MBA). While they are all about cannabilizing, they won't do it at a loss, especiallly if no one is competing with them at the current price point.
My personal opinion... is that the iPad Mini may wait till iOS 7.2 or .3 (spring release), IF apple releases a new iPhone 'Cheap' (4" form factor), and sunsets the iPhone 4 AND iPhone 4s with that release. having a 4" form factor, a Mini form factor, a MiniRD formfactor, and iPad 2 and iPad 4 form factors is about the max for developers to support without massive complaint.
Retiring the 4 and 4s allows them to shut down factory space for retooling, allows the glass manufacturers to switch to IZGO or whatever the mini RD will be built on, and as noted, keeping developers happy. On top of that, it also allows prices to drop on battery and screen technology which are a majority of the cost and weight of the device, increasing profits, and also not disrupting their product line message. That's the long game view.
Is that an opinion or published fact? I haven't seen any reliable data on this, and would be interested in seeing it.
Anecdotal data based on a lifetime in the computer industry. I doubt you'd find many that disagree with me though.
Most everyone I know that has a "home" copy of Office got it at work and use it at home either illegally or based on some thin justification of "working at home." I work at a large institution at the moment where everyone is on the same bulk license and we negotiate each year with Microsoft for same. They have been pushing us onto a subscription model (or trying to) for the last three years and most of the guys responsible for the actual contract are agreeable to this as it saves the yearly negotiation.
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Typically, the iPhone is the flagship that launches with the update. The iPad has often had to wait.
With the new fall schedule, that might change of course.
I'm not sure about never. Currently, Microsoft is refusing to come out with a full iPad version to try to bolster its surface sales. If/when they realize that this strategy is a total failure, they might decide to cut their losses and release Office for iOS.
Not allowing suites on the App Store is not an insurmountable problem. They could simply copy Apples strategy and offer each app seperately, or they could come up with another scheme to get around it.
I'm all for moving foreward, but currently I dont see a viable replacement for Office. Specifically, i dont know of any other spreadsheet software that is as well thought out and includes something like the VBA functionality as does Excel. Though an iOS version will likely have much of this functionality removed, untill someone else comes along who can improve on this Office will remain the standard for productivity software.
You've got it backward. Even on the desktop, Apple is moving to a limited number of essential ports (TB, USB) and leaving any additional ports that only a select crowd uses to peripherals. Look at the new Mac Pro.
The iPad will NEVER get an SD slot, a USB port, etc. It flies in the face of everything the iPad is.
That's why, if you really need one, there's an optional accessory.
How often would the average person need to use VBA on the iPad?
I've never had to use VBA period, even on the desktop. And it's not like I don't use spreadsheets all the time.
Numbers does 99% of what the average user needs to do. Most people just think they need Office because of the brand recognition.
That said, while I love Numbers on the desktop, I find the iPad version unusable. Maybe it's just the form factor and necessary UI. I don't know.
However, my storage issues with the iPad were solved when Apple released in February the 128gb 4th gen.
No, Microsoft has already revealed their hand on this. The strategy (and its probably a good one for them) is Office 360 on mobile devices and selling through subscription only. They've also as much as confirmed that they will be going this way for the desktop as well in the near future. Most copies of Office are sold on bulk licences already anyway. The person that goes to the store and buys a copy of Office (online or retail), for themselves is all but extinct already. Those that do are just a small part of their business at best.
I would estimate that it would take a complete collapse and reorganisation of Microsoft to really change this direction, and even then it might not make sense to whomever the new owners are. It seems likely then that ifOffice ever arrives as discrete iOS apps for Word, Excel, etc. that we're looking at a good five to seven years from now at least.
You have to realise that the average Office user outside of the enterprise has no use for things like VBA and no need for the few specific advanced spreadsheet functions that can only be found in Excel. Office is really moving to an enterprise only kind of thing, thus the reason for the new licensing model which doesn't appeal to the average consumer.
This divide will only get larger over time, not smaller. In a few years you will be reading articles that raise the question of whether Office is even something a non enterprise user should consider using.
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Originally Posted by Pendergast
You've got it backward. Even on the desktop, Apple is moving to a limited number of essential ports (TB, USB) and leaving any additional ports that only a select crowd uses to peripherals. Look at the new Mac Pro.
But in contrast, the Retina Macbook Pro, the most recent Apple computer redesign that is being sold today, does have an SD card. I don't think you can take any conclusion about what Apple's intentions are as gospel.
Pretty good capstone for the other nonsense. Try using iWork and you'll think you were stupid for ever wanting Office.
Every model of Mac has a user-accessible file system.
Swell. Now where's the Haswell Retina MBPs?
I need a new Mac.
Now.
Is it possible for Apple to start shipping Haswell Pros and iMacs in calendar Q3? That would break things up a bit and not have everything coming out at once.
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Originally Posted by Captain J
As a mini user I have to disagree. While I'd love an RD, not at the cost of weight, bulk, shorter battery and/or heat. The mini is is a compromise that's all about max portability. Taking that away would not be good IMO.
It's not a matter of good or bad. It's a matter of preference. I prefer RD at the expense of a bit of bull and weight. Good for me. You prefer to keep it light. Good for you. There's no bad or not good in this. No right and wrong.
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee
... The person that goes to the store and buys a copy of Office (online or retail), for themselves is all but extinct already. Those that do are just a small part of their business at best.
Is that an opinion or published fact? I haven't seen any reliable data on this, and would be interested in seeing it.
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Originally Posted by AppleZilla
Swell. Now where's the Haswell Retina MBPs?
I need a new Mac.
Now.
I ordered my Haswell MBAs a few weeks ago and nothing has arrived well. Either Intel or Apple is having trouble meeting demand.
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Originally Posted by Captain J
As a mini user I have to disagree. While I'd love an RD, not at the cost of weight, bulk, shorter battery and/or heat. The mini is is a compromise that's all about max portability. Taking that away would not be good IMO.
Bingo!
I know they did it with the iPad 10".
Having said that, I wouldn't be surprised if Apple figure out how to put an RD on the Mini and also make it thinner, lighter and with the same or better battery life. After all, this is Apple we're talking about, not Dell or HP or Google or samsung.
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Originally Posted by iaeen
I'm not sure about never. Currently, Microsoft is refusing to come out with a full iPad version to try to bolster its surface sales. If/when they realize that this strategy is a total failure, they might decide to cut their losses and release Office for iOS.
Not allowing suites on the App Store is not an insurmountable problem. They could simply copy Apples strategy and offer each app seperately, or they could come up with another scheme to get around it.
I'm all for moving foreward, but currently I dont see a viable replacement for Office. Specifically, i dont know of any other spreadsheet software that is as well thought out and includes something like the VBA functionality as does Excel. Though an iOS version will likely have much of this functionality removed, untill someone else comes along who can improve on this Office will remain the standard for productivity software.
Currently Microsoft is pre-loading Windows tablets with Microsoft Office Home and Student 2013. This will likely be an incentive they hope to help drive BayTrail devices later this year.
Example: The Acer Iconia W3 ($349 USD) is an 8inch Windows 8 tablet using CloverTrail (x86).
Pre-loaded with x86 Windows and Office, Microsoft hopes devices like this can take a stab at potential Nexus 7 or more likely iPad Mini customers.
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Bingo!
Exactly right? How could this be exactly right or wrong? What if it was 2 grams heavier, or 0.5 mm thicker? Still Bingo? How silly.
You're confusing opinions and preferences with factual validity. That's ok because that just makes you a member of majority.
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I have a very hard time believing this is true, that it's July and they still haven't figured out whether to adopt a retina display for the mini or not - they decide those things long before now, if they expect to put it in production and spend a month or more stockpiling the device in warehouses around the world so they can meet launch day demands.
As for a fatter mini, I'd prefer they wait till they can figure out how to squeeze the retina (and various necessary additional/modified components) in the existing chassis - the best thing about the mini is its gorgeous form factor, it's what defines the product, to make it fatter would be a detraction from its main feature.
My guess is they have two full prototypes one mini and one without.... and they are weighing the cost to build vs anticipated profits vs cannabilizaion of other iPad lines (Mini 'Classic', iPad 5, iPhone 5s, MBA). While they are all about cannabilizing, they won't do it at a loss, especiallly if no one is competing with them at the current price point.
My personal opinion... is that the iPad Mini may wait till iOS 7.2 or .3 (spring release), IF apple releases a new iPhone 'Cheap' (4" form factor), and sunsets the iPhone 4 AND iPhone 4s with that release. having a 4" form factor, a Mini form factor, a MiniRD formfactor, and iPad 2 and iPad 4 form factors is about the max for developers to support without massive complaint.
Retiring the 4 and 4s allows them to shut down factory space for retooling, allows the glass manufacturers to switch to IZGO or whatever the mini RD will be built on, and as noted, keeping developers happy. On top of that, it also allows prices to drop on battery and screen technology which are a majority of the cost and weight of the device, increasing profits, and also not disrupting their product line message. That's the long game view.
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Is that an opinion or published fact? I haven't seen any reliable data on this, and would be interested in seeing it.
Anecdotal data based on a lifetime in the computer industry. I doubt you'd find many that disagree with me though.
Most everyone I know that has a "home" copy of Office got it at work and use it at home either illegally or based on some thin justification of "working at home." I work at a large institution at the moment where everyone is on the same bulk license and we negotiate each year with Microsoft for same. They have been pushing us onto a subscription model (or trying to) for the last three years and most of the guys responsible for the actual contract are agreeable to this as it saves the yearly negotiation.