Apple joins alliance of tech heavyweights to demand increased NSA transparency

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in General Discussion edited January 2014
A group of tech titans, including Apple, Microsoft, Google, and Facebook, threw their substantial weight behind a civil rights alliance that will reportedly demand greater transparency regarding the U.S. government's surveillance programs.

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Reportedly top-secret slide regarding the U.S. government's PRISM data mining program. | Source: The Washington Post


Coming one month after a leak revealed the existence of America's PRISM data mining initiative, in which Apple supposedly played a small role, an alliance of 63 public companies, non-profit and trade organizations, and investors are calling for the government to make its operations more transparent. According to AllThingsD, the group will send a letter asking as much on Thursday.

?Basic information about how the government uses its various law enforcement?related investigative authorities has been published for years without any apparent disruption to criminal investigations,? reads a copy of the letter obtained by the publication. ?We seek permission for the same information to be made available regarding the government?s national security?related authorities.?

In particular, the group is planning to ask President Barack Obama and select members of Congress to strip away restrictions that limit what information companies can divulge regarding government requests for sensitive data. Specifically, the alliance wants to have the option to issue disclosures about requests for user data made to Internet, phone, and Web service operators in the name of national security.

The alliance wants to be able to disclose the following: the number of government requests for user data; the number of individuals, accounts, or devices connected to said requests; and the number of requests looking for communications content, subscriber information, or other similar data.

Apple was reported to be a willing participant of PRISM in June, but the company released a public statement saying it had never heard of the program, denying that it grants server access to any U.S. agency.
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  • Reply 1 of 40
    Honestly, I don't even think that it means anything. I believe that they are all trying to save their face.
  • Reply 2 of 40
    9secondko9secondko Posts: 929member
    Remember a couple years ago when Obama had all the tech leaders over for "dinner?"

    And you thought that was innocent...

  • Reply 3 of 40
    Ironic. Apple demanding transparency. The gander must have killed the goose.
  • Reply 4 of 40
    apple ][apple ][ Posts: 8,650member
    On the bright side, Apple has only been part of the program for less than a year, while all of the others have been doing it for much longer. Microsoft since 2007!

    This government does kind of suck though, when they are forcing all of those companies to lie to their customers.
  • Reply 5 of 40
    apple ][apple ][ Posts: 8,650member
    9secondko wrote: »
    Remember a couple years ago when Obama had all the tech leaders over for "dinner?"

    And you thought that was innocent...

    Steve Jobs probably told him to piss off, or at least I hope that he did, because Apple only joined after he was no longer alive.
  • Reply 6 of 40
    rob53rob53 Posts: 2,028member
    If the Washington Post got this graphic from someone other than Snowden, then there is another person who will be arrested. The classification information on this graphic means it can't be given to the Post and definitely can't be posted here. AI better get it's lawyers ready because this classification of document is not covered by the Freedom of Information Act so this site has no right to publish it.

    I know what I'm talking about on this subject. I worked as a government contractor for over 30 years. This graphic is either a fake or several people are in trouble for posting it.
  • Reply 7 of 40
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 31,087member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Enigmamatic View Post



    The gander must have killed the goose.


     


    Do you even know what you're writing?

  • Reply 8 of 40
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 31,087member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by rob53 View Post



    If the Washington Post got this graphic from someone other than Snowden, then there is another person who will be arrested. The classification information on this graphic means it can't be given to the Post and definitely can't be posted here. AI better get it's lawyers ready because this classification of document is not covered by the Freedom of Information Act so this site has no right to publish it.



    I know what I'm talking about on this subject. I worked as a government contractor for over 30 years. This graphic is either a fake or several people are in trouble for posting it.


     


    If the stories from discredited analysts and nonsensical speculation about non-existant products stop...we'll know someone has been sent to Guantanamo.

  • Reply 9 of 40
    evilutionevilution Posts: 1,356member
    That's rich, google and Facebook asking for such things when they are the worst ones for slyly collecting data.
  • Reply 10 of 40
    If your mad at these tech companies... why? The ones that are suppose to be protecting your liberties are the ones asking for IT! Go to the source of the problem. And maybe you'll finally realize voting for individuals who support big government is a bad idea. Its cost more to sustain out of your paycheck and corruption becomes more rampant with size. You wanted a group that would take over leadership of yourself and children... what did you all actually think was gonna happen!?
  • Reply 11 of 40
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 31,087member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Evilution View Post



    That's rich, google and Facebook asking for such things when they are the worst ones for slyly collecting data.


     


    Yes, but they are up front about it (more or less).

  • Reply 12 of 40
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member


    The slide is obviously a fake. It says the Prism Program costs 20M per year.


     


    Impossible!


     


    That is just the cost for the toilet paper in the men's restroom at headquarters.

  • Reply 13 of 40
    richard getzrichard getz Posts: 1,142member


    Thank you Mr. Snowden 

  • Reply 14 of 40
    mhiklmhikl Posts: 471member


    These are some pretty big guys in this game. To say it is a sham doesn't hold.


     


    Why would these companies go public, if there wasn't true intention behind their stand? Attention is drawn, expectations to be met, and good names to uphold to any who expect security by these companies.


     


    One can't move a government, but a large number with power, money, influence along with public awareness and support surely can. There is the possibility that many might also join the 'movement',  if that is what it is meant to become.

  • Reply 15 of 40
    mhiklmhikl Posts: 471member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by warheart777 View Post



    If your mad at these tech companies... why? The ones that are suppose to be protecting your liberties are the ones asking for IT! Go to the source of the problem. And maybe you'll finally realize voting for individuals who support big government is a bad idea. Its cost more to sustain out of your paycheck and corruption becomes more rampant with size. You wanted a group that would take over leadership of yourself and children... what did you all actually think was gonna happen!?


    The problem is not big government, whatever that is. When govt steps on toes, be they rich or poor, Big Govt is named Culprit  and discussion is closed.


     


    It is big business that is centre to the lose of liberties and if you know your American history (not being an American, I know little but I do know a bit about Jefferson and a few other flawed, but great men) then you know this is an old tale that has traversed to reality, gangbusters.


     


    Any step to bend the govt's ear is a step far better than a back turned which seems what some here are doing.


  • Reply 16 of 40
    In response to Rob- it's a previously leaked document. Seen here

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/prism-collection-documents/m/
  • Reply 17 of 40


    That's a really ugly powerpoint slide

  • Reply 18 of 40
    jungmarkjungmark Posts: 6,687member
    Ironic. Apple demanding transparency. The gander must have killed the goose.

    Apple takes privacy very seriously.
    evilution wrote: »
    That's rich, google and Facebook asking for such things when they are the worst ones for slyly collecting data.

    Google doesn't like competitors in private info gathering.
  • Reply 19 of 40
    Apple
    Ironic. Apple demanding transparency. The gander must have killed the goose.
    Apple is not a government.
  • Reply 20 of 40
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,399member
    Ironic. Apple demanding transparency. The gander must have killed the goose.

    Do you even know what you're talking about?
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