You couldn't possibly be more wrong. They WILL be slightly cheaper, probably $399 for the 8GB and $449 for the 16 GB, off contract.
But that is not the point. It is has NEVER been the point, to sell an off contract iPhone for $300 or less...such thing is impossible and could never exist.
Every single article, including this one, that insists on mentioning "EMERGING MARKETZ" as the purpose of this device, are completely and totally wrong. As out to lunch as one could be.
And yet Tim Cook gets excited about China whenever there is some good news. The emerging market is the reason for these phones, and with 13% of the world market Apple need to compete there and quickly. The US iOS market is growing share with the present lineup, but that just puts Apple into the one country ghetto which caused Blackberry to lose dominance so quickly.
I'm sorry but the larger phone argument is nothing more than the weak adverting influence mind at work. People that see 5" Android phones just think that is a natural evolution because it EXISTS.
Remember, Dinosaurs kept getting bigger too, until about half through the Jurassic, when the herbivores had reached the largest-animal-ever plateau... nature said Size just isn't cutting it, and they moved to a new product line called the Cretaceous, where Herbivores evened out at an average size, and Carnivores kept getting bigger until they were too big to proliferate. Then the whole thing went tits up.
And yet Tim Cook gets excited about China whenever there is some good news. The emerging market is the reason for these phones, and with 13% of the world market Apple need to compete there and quickly. The US iOS market is growing share with the present lineup, but that just puts Apple into the one country ghetto which caused Blackberry to lose dominance so quickly.
I'm sure the iPhone Lite is going to be brilliant in China. As good as an iPhone 5, more durable, 16 GB of storage, and $99 on contact or $449 off contract.
That is better than anything China has ever gotten from Apple's mobile phone business.
I'm sorry but the larger phone argument is nothing more than the weak adverting influence mind at work. People that see 5" Android phones just think that is a natural evolution because it EXISTS.
Remember, Dinosaurs kept getting bigger too, until about half through the Jurassic, when the herbivores had reached the largest-animal-ever plateau... nature said Size just isn't cutting it, and they moved to a new product line called the Cretaceous, where Herbivores evened out at an average size, and Carnivores kept getting bigger until they were too big to proliferate. Then the whole thing went tits up.
I am taking from this that big phones will go tits up when a major asteroid hits destroying most flora, and fauna on Earth? Ok.....
I'm sure the iPhone Lite is going to be brilliant in China. As good as an iPhone 5, more durable, 16 GB of storage, and $99 on contact or $449 off contract.
That is better than anything China has ever gotten from Apple's mobile phone business.
Are they pricing things in dollars in China, now? You do realise that Apple is not all contracts are American style contracts, and China is not growing share for Apple. Ergo, a same priced machine wouldn't work. Its pointless.
Heres the iPhone Lite with the internal of the 5 and its in plastic, and it's got the same price the 5 - which isn't plastic - would have been. Go wild.
Clearly they are going plastic for cheapness sake. Which means they may be making other compromises. Otherwise why not continue to make the 5?
What's vomit inducing aren't the colors themselves, but how the colors look with the plastic.
Very cheap and Toys-R-Us-ish.
Apple has never made colored plastic devices like that and for good reason. Why would they start now?
This isn't a rant against fun colors. I like the colors Apple has used for the iPod Nanos over the past years.
The problem I have is how disgustingly cheap they look with this plastic. Honestly they look like the $0.15 iPhone cases you can get on Amazon from non-descript Chinese retailers. I would NOT want Apple to make devices like that.
Apple = Aluminum + Glass
I guess you slept through the original iMac days. People like you railed against the iMac, too - yet it turned out to be a major part of Apple's turnaround.
No they don't. Sales figures prove that even without the overwhelming logic.
Sales figures do prove it. IP5 is selling way better than IP4S despite the cost difference. People want/like the larger IP5 screen. How many more sales would apple make if they had a 5" screen alternative, probably quite a lot. I just came back from Japan and the number of people sporting large screen Galaxy Notes was very surprising.
I would believe your point if Apple had a 5" IP5 option and was selling none.
This makes sense to me. This year, the iPhone "lite" could have the iPhone 5 components in a lower-cost shell, and the "5S" could get some upgraded components (fingerprint sensor touchscreen, improved camera, dual LED camera flash, A7 processor, etc.) Apple could then stop producing the iPhone 4, 4S, and 5, and sell the following iPhone lineup (prices in US Dollars):
64 GB iPhone "5S" ($399, in black/slate or white/aluminum)
32 GB iPhone "5S" ($299, in black/slate or white/aluminum)
16 GB iPhone "5S" ($199, in black/slate or white/aluminum)
16 GB iPhone "lite" ($99, in multiple colors)
8 GB iPhone "lite" ($0, in black only)
The "lite" model might replace the 1-year old and 2-year old high-end iPhone while preserving the same pricing structure. Apple would only need to build each year's tricky, narrow-tolerance, high-end iPhone for one year, then most of its components would go into the next-year "lite" model. The main differentiator between high-end and low-end models would be some kind of must-have feature, like a fingerprint-sensing touchscreen. Presumably that component would be more expensive than the regular touchscreen, so using the regular screen would keep the "lite" model costs down. And of course, the "lite" model's plastic case would have slightly greater internal volume than the high-end model's aluminum (liquidmetal?) ultra-slim case. So assembly would be easier, therefore faster, therefore cheaper. Apple might still be able to maintain high margins even on the "lite" model.
And it's possible that Apple could drop the oddball numbering scheme. There would just be "the new iPhone" and "the new iPhone 'lite'." No more numbers, like with all Mac lines, all iPods, and all iPads. Customers would no longer be offered the last-year or the 2-year-ago models. Each year the new iPhone and iPhone "lite" would replace the old models. Easier, simpler, and consistent with Apple's other product lines. (My guess is that the high-end and low-end iPhones will eventually be called "iPhone" and "iPhone L" respectively.)
The two-model strategy could also help Apple's production contractors with build capacity. Instead of 3 iPhone models, there would only be two, so they could build more of the high-end and low-end models without necessarily increasing floor space or hiring more employees.
I think this could work, but then again, I'm no spreadsheet jockey.
Looking forward to late CQ3 this year...
From the earnings call, it sounded like the iP4 was really boosting sales, because it was much preferable to the 3GS a year ago at that price point.
Is that because of speed and the screen, or because its a high end looking device sold for cheap? If its the latter, the plastic iPhone might need to be cheaper in order to do as well.
It looks passable in white but the colors we've seen so far all looked atrocious.
Like you, I hope the colors we've seen are NOT what will be offered for sale. Barf, indeed.
I'm not optimistic that the choices will be good though. Look at the iPod colors. How does a company that does neutral so well have so much trouble choosing pleasing colors?
I guess you slept through the original iMac days. People like you railed against the iMac, too - yet it turned out to be a major part of Apple's turnaround.
We are not in the 90s anymore...
Apple has completely changed course and have brought all of their products even the entry level ones up to their standards of metal and glass.
Why would they go back on that now?
If the $50 iPod Shuffle is made of aluminum why wouldn't a $400 iPhone?
It just doesn't make sense for them to backpedal on their high quality brand ethos of metal and glass.
From the earnings call, it sounded like the iP4 was really boosting sales, because it was much preferable to the 3GS a year ago at that price point.
Is that because of speed and the screen, or because its a high end looking device sold for cheap? If its the latter, the plastic iPhone might need to be cheaper in order to do as well.
Great point.
Cook repeated how well the 4 was doing over the 3GS and I believe Apple brass knows its because people want high quality and high end for an affordable price.
If Apple is making an entry level iPhone it needs to be a gateway for the brand. Part of Apple's brand is quality and precision materials.
Any iPhone Lite Apple makes today must exude those values in order to be successful.
No, people need to stop thinking that they need a larger phone.
And you're in a position to dictate what *I* should want because...?
How the hell do YOU know how I use my phone, or what I prefer, or how bad my eyes are, or the applications that would benefit from more real estate or any of an infinite number of perfectly valid reasons for wanting a larger screen? The arrogance you demonstrate by assuming to tell others what they should think is astounding.
I'm sorry but the larger phone argument is nothing more than the weak adverting influence mind at work. People that see 5" Android phones just think that is a natural evolution because it EXISTS.
Remember, Dinosaurs kept getting bigger too, until about half through the Jurassic, when the herbivores had reached the largest-animal-ever plateau... nature said Size just isn't cutting it, and they moved to a new product line called the Cretaceous, where Herbivores evened out at an average size, and Carnivores kept getting bigger until they were too big to proliferate. Then the whole thing went tits up.
Excellent argument, because the parallels between dinosaurs and pocket computers are spookily similar. With due respect, WTF are you talking about?
If YOU don't want a larger-screened phone, don't buy one. There's no reason to expect that if Apple finally offer a larger screen they'll stop offering the one they have now. Just PLEASE stop telling ME that I'm somehow "wrong" for wanting a keyboard big enough to accommodate my fat, clumsy fingers and to be able to see more than 1/10 of a web page at a time and not have to scroll scroll scroll scroll up and down and side to side on each page. I complained about those aspects of using an iPhone long before Samsung offered bigger screens.
Your remarks are arrogant, a value judgement, and the way you worded it, insulting. Stop it.
Heres the iPhone Lite with the internal of the 5 and its in plastic, and it's got the same price the 5 - which isn't plastic - would have been. Go wild. Clearly they are going plastic for cheapness sake. Which means they may be making other compromises. Otherwise why not continue to make the 5?
Noone can be sure what is exactly there goal here. I think they will both reduce the price a bit and also increase margins a bit. Until we actually see what the models will be and the prices, we cant know. Its impossible to predict from a bunch of leaks
I do hope they can come up with an emerging phone below $400 unlock, but at 40% gross margins, its going to be no picnic to make that thing run iOS7 smoothly.
Maybe someone said this already but: What if they drop the 'S' in iPhones completely and just release a cheaper version of the iPhone in the fall with no upgrade to the iPhone 5. Then there will be a new phone every 6 months but a new phone every year per model (as in regular model and cheaper model) then Apple wouldn't have to worry about people not buying an iPhone becuase they are just going to wait 6 months for the 'better' one. All iPhones would be on a 1 year schedule but Apple would still release a new product every 6 months. Just a guess I have no information to back that theory up. What do you think?
I'm going to say that this is a mock up for sales purposes. This looks like an electronics store employee unpacking other handset mockups. On the counter below the hand is a mockup for an Android handset. Mockups are always shipped in bubble wrap.
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And yet Tim Cook gets excited about China whenever there is some good news. The emerging market is the reason for these phones, and with 13% of the world market Apple need to compete there and quickly. The US iOS market is growing share with the present lineup, but that just puts Apple into the one country ghetto which caused Blackberry to lose dominance so quickly.
Remember, Dinosaurs kept getting bigger too, until about half through the Jurassic, when the herbivores had reached the largest-animal-ever plateau... nature said Size just isn't cutting it, and they moved to a new product line called the Cretaceous, where Herbivores evened out at an average size, and Carnivores kept getting bigger until they were too big to proliferate. Then the whole thing went tits up.
I'm sure the iPhone Lite is going to be brilliant in China. As good as an iPhone 5, more durable, 16 GB of storage, and $99 on contact or $449 off contract.
That is better than anything China has ever gotten from Apple's mobile phone business.
I am taking from this that big phones will go tits up when a major asteroid hits destroying most flora, and fauna on Earth? Ok.....
/ walks away slowly
Are they pricing things in dollars in China, now? You do realise that Apple is not all contracts are American style contracts, and China is not growing share for Apple. Ergo, a same priced machine wouldn't work. Its pointless.
Heres the iPhone Lite with the internal of the 5 and its in plastic, and it's got the same price the 5 - which isn't plastic - would have been. Go wild.
Clearly they are going plastic for cheapness sake. Which means they may be making other compromises. Otherwise why not continue to make the 5?
I guess you slept through the original iMac days. People like you railed against the iMac, too - yet it turned out to be a major part of Apple's turnaround.
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Originally Posted by pmz
No they don't. Sales figures prove that even without the overwhelming logic.
Sales figures do prove it. IP5 is selling way better than IP4S despite the cost difference. People want/like the larger IP5 screen. How many more sales would apple make if they had a 5" screen alternative, probably quite a lot. I just came back from Japan and the number of people sporting large screen Galaxy Notes was very surprising.
I would believe your point if Apple had a 5" IP5 option and was selling none.
iPhone (late 2013)
iPhone S (late 2013)
For the "lite" and "regular" ones respectively.
My guess.
Is that because of speed and the screen, or because its a high end looking device sold for cheap? If its the latter, the plastic iPhone might need to be cheaper in order to do as well.
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Originally Posted by Flaneur
The thing, even if fake, is absolutely delicious looking.
Is it wrong that I like the look of the thing in the photo more than the iPhone 5? Based just on the case and not considering internals, I'd buy one.
If it had a bigger screen, that is.
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Originally Posted by blackbook
It looks passable in white but the colors we've seen so far all looked atrocious.
Like you, I hope the colors we've seen are NOT what will be offered for sale. Barf, indeed.
I'm not optimistic that the choices will be good though. Look at the iPod colors. How does a company that does neutral so well have so much trouble choosing pleasing colors?
We are not in the 90s anymore...
Apple has completely changed course and have brought all of their products even the entry level ones up to their standards of metal and glass.
Why would they go back on that now?
If the $50 iPod Shuffle is made of aluminum why wouldn't a $400 iPhone?
It just doesn't make sense for them to backpedal on their high quality brand ethos of metal and glass.
Great point.
Cook repeated how well the 4 was doing over the 3GS and I believe Apple brass knows its because people want high quality and high end for an affordable price.
If Apple is making an entry level iPhone it needs to be a gateway for the brand. Part of Apple's brand is quality and precision materials.
Any iPhone Lite Apple makes today must exude those values in order to be successful.
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Originally Posted by Evilution
No, people need to stop thinking that they need a larger phone.
And you're in a position to dictate what *I* should want because...?
How the hell do YOU know how I use my phone, or what I prefer, or how bad my eyes are, or the applications that would benefit from more real estate or any of an infinite number of perfectly valid reasons for wanting a larger screen? The arrogance you demonstrate by assuming to tell others what they should think is astounding.
Get over yourself.
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Originally Posted by pmz
I'm sorry but the larger phone argument is nothing more than the weak adverting influence mind at work. People that see 5" Android phones just think that is a natural evolution because it EXISTS.
Remember, Dinosaurs kept getting bigger too, until about half through the Jurassic, when the herbivores had reached the largest-animal-ever plateau... nature said Size just isn't cutting it, and they moved to a new product line called the Cretaceous, where Herbivores evened out at an average size, and Carnivores kept getting bigger until they were too big to proliferate. Then the whole thing went tits up.
Excellent argument, because the parallels between dinosaurs and pocket computers are spookily similar.
If YOU don't want a larger-screened phone, don't buy one. There's no reason to expect that if Apple finally offer a larger screen they'll stop offering the one they have now. Just PLEASE stop telling ME that I'm somehow "wrong" for wanting a keyboard big enough to accommodate my fat, clumsy fingers and to be able to see more than 1/10 of a web page at a time and not have to scroll scroll scroll scroll up and down and side to side on each page. I complained about those aspects of using an iPhone long before Samsung offered bigger screens.
Your remarks are arrogant, a value judgement, and the way you worded it, insulting. Stop it.
Noone can be sure what is exactly there goal here. I think they will both reduce the price a bit and also increase margins a bit. Until we actually see what the models will be and the prices, we cant know. Its impossible to predict from a bunch of leaks
I do hope they can come up with an emerging phone below $400 unlock, but at 40% gross margins, its going to be no picnic to make that thing run iOS7 smoothly.
What if they drop the 'S' in iPhones completely and just release a cheaper version of the iPhone in the fall with no upgrade to the iPhone 5. Then there will be a new phone every 6 months but a new phone every year per model (as in regular model and cheaper model) then Apple wouldn't have to worry about people not buying an iPhone becuase they are just going to wait 6 months for the 'better' one. All iPhones would be on a 1 year schedule but Apple would still release a new product every 6 months.
Just a guess I have no information to back that theory up.
What do you think?
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Originally Posted by UbiquitousGeek
I'm going to say that this is a mock up for sales purposes. This looks like an electronics store employee unpacking other handset mockups. On the counter below the hand is a mockup for an Android handset. Mockups are always shipped in bubble wrap.
Or a store floor model???