That link is six months old and there have been quite a few more details seen since including reference to 2013 for the developers meeting on the West Coast being very significant in Samsung's plans going forward.
I have seen them too. For one the fact that they have been bypassing many of the new Android signature technologies and pushing their own in their place which undermines Google since Samsung sell most of the Android phones. They have also gone outside of Android to provide security for businesses and a consumer theft deterrent. With Samsung just released S4 they are now pushing Samsung Apps and Samsung Hub that completely replace Google Play but also provides their proprietary apps as well. They also just announce their own developer conference for October 2013. Google can see the writing on the wall even if their supporters don't.
That link is six months old and there have been quite a few more details seen since including reference to August 2013 for the developers meeting on the West Coast being very significant in Samsung's plans going forward.
I have done my research, I'm asking you you "strong indications", those are your words.
Samsung building a Tizen smartphone doesn't imply Samsung leaving Google or Android and they are not "strong indications", they have developed Bada phones, WP7.5 and WP8 phones and they don't have left Android. Why developing a Tizen smartphone would mean leaving Android?
By the way, Tizen OpenMobile's Application Compatibility Layer can't execute Google Services
I have seen them too. For one the fact that they have been bypassing many of the new Android signature technologies and pushing their own in their place which undermines Google since Samsung sell most of the Android phones. They have also gone outside of Android to provide security for businesses and a consumer theft deterrent. With Samsung just released S4 they are now pushing Samsung Apps and Samsung Hub that completely replace Google Play but also provides their proprietary apps as well. They also just announce their own developer conference for October 2013. Google can see the writing on the wall even if their supporters don't.
Since when adding features is leaving apart the core? It is funny, the only ones seeing Samsung leaving Android or forking it are the ones that can't stand Android
They are dumping massive resources into Android and getting next to nothing in return. Setting aside the $14.2 billion Moto sinkhole I'd be surprised if they are breaking even with search revenue. More likely that is also running in the red as they are giving tablets away at cost just to break into mobile search, an area Apple owns directly and indirectly.
I'm sure Samsung is loving it but this leaves Google with three choices, go to war with Samsung to take back marketshare and/or charge Samsung and every other phone maker for development and/or get out slowly to save face.
War with Samsung to take back marketshare will be long and costly and licensing will make Android more expensive thus benefiting the iPhone.
No matter what Google is going to bleed billions more in profit before this is over.
In the end crossing Apple yielded them nothing but an expensive lessen.
I'm not surprised they are in serious talks with Apple again.
At first I thought the headline was crazy, but after reading the whole article, I think you make a strong business case.
They seem to have burned their bridges. Samsung does not need them. Amazon does not need them. Apple does not need them. Who needs a new version of Android?
How is the tablet space gonna grow? It will be a race to the bottom against Amazon. Samsung will get their butt handed to them against Amazon based on price.
Yeah and Amazon barely makes money either. Giving things away is not a profitable business model but what a boon for consumers!
The very best of socialism. Amazon employs thousands, generates business for thousands of companies who employ thousands and provide and awesome almost-at-cost service to consumers while trickling up meager profits to rich investors who contribute nothing.
This article is like 3 stories tall. My neighbors on the 6th floor are seeing AppleInsider's header right now, after all the down-scrolling.
Anyone who didn't bury their heads in the sand for the last 5 years has noticed that Android never delivered on its original premise, since Google has been gaining more from iOS than from its own platform all along. Android was simply a random guy's project who was lucky to receive a lot more attention than it deserved from a multi-billion dollar company.
It would, however, surprise me to see Android die after Google wasted so much time and resources on it, not to mention that this would create a huge void that would be hard for the competition to fill. Android took Symbian's position, but if it dies by itself, who's gonna take its position now that Symbian is dead and buried? Microsoft? Blackberry? Would we see a return of vendor-specific firmwares (likely Android-based)? And can Google repair the damage that its aggressive push for Android has caused to the company? I'd still like Google Maps back as default, because Apple Maps can not compete with it, but would Apple go back?
On the contrary: I see Google reining Android in, making it a more "closed platform." My evidence? Purchasing Motorola, beginning to offer "pure" experiences on Samsung, HTC, etc phones.
Dream on, author. Android isn't going away. But it is evolving. My prediction, within 3 years Android phones be sold by only Motorola. Samsung will go with Tizen and the others will either develop their own OS or fade away.
It's worth remembering that DED's Android predictions are almost always wrong. This is what happens when you draw a conclusion and then go looking for evidence to support your conclusion, rather than looking at the evidence and then drawing a conclusion based on the evidence.
Yeah and Amazon barely makes money either. Giving things away is not a profitable business model but what a boon for consumers!
The very best of socialism. Amazon employs thousands, generates business for thousands of companies who employ thousands and provide and awesome almost-at-cost service to consumers while trickling up meager profits to rich investors who contribute nothing.
What happens when Amazon decides (or Wall Street demands) it needs to turn a profit? Where is the profit going to come from?
This article is like 3 stories tall. My neighbors on the 6th floor are seeing AppleInsider's header right now, after all the down-scrolling.
Anyone who didn't bury their heads in the sand for the last 5 years has noticed that Android never delivered on its original premise, since Google has been gaining more from iOS than from its own platform all along. Android was simply a random guy's project who was lucky to receive a lot more attention than it deserved from a multi-billion dollar company.
It would, however, surprise me to see Android die after Google wasted so much time and resources on it, not to mention that this would create a huge void that would be hard for the competition to fill. Android took Symbian's position, but if it dies by itself, who's gonna take its position now that Symbian is dead and buried? Microsoft? Blackberry? Would we see a return of vendor-specific firmwares (likely Android-based)? And can Google repair the damage that its aggressive push for Android has caused to the company? I'd still like Google Maps back as default, because Apple Maps can not compete with it, but would Apple go back?
It will not suddenly die. It will go away, little by little. Chrome will begin to have a more major role in Android until Chrome OS is ready. And when that time comes Fandroids will hailed it as a big success of Google, a natural progression from Android, not the getting rid of the failure people on Apple camp believe.
In the end crossing Apple yielded them nothing but an expensive lessen.
I'm not surprised they are in serious talks with Apple again.
I keep seeing this comment, aren't Google apps still some of the most downloaded on iTunes, yep just checked. Google search might no longer be the default but I truly believe no one will be using Bing with iOS 7 and will just type Google.com into Safari, at least that's what I'll be doing, Bing is utter crap. Why can't I change the default search engine back to Google if I wanted too or change the default browser for that matter.
Google produced Android to preserve and grow their search business. Nothing more. With growth in emerging markets as the key driver in the industry, Android is a large way for them to access these new, first-time customers. For many around the world, a stripped-down Android phone is their primary if not only access to the web. Mobile is by far gout pacing other channels in terms of global growth, and Google want to own these markets worldwide. Android is not going anywhere, and we will see more development and innovation as Google more tightly integrates their product services into Android.
I feel that the long drought in Android updates is simply Google realising the futility of releasing so many new versions of their OS in so short a period of time, when they simply aren't cascading down to the end users. Not everyone is going to run out and buy a new phone everytime Android updates, much less be savvy enough to root their phones. I would like to believe that they are simply brainstorming a more effective way of pushing them to the consumers.
After all, while Apple updates IOS once a year, all iphone users are going to get it, and get it on the same day, without fear of carrier meddling.
Android isn't going anywhere, though I do believe that it will eventually become more closed. Apple has shown that the most profitable way is still to control the hardware and software. Samsung is trying to do something like that, and I think the siren's call of higher profits will eventually tempt Google to do the same thing as well.
I keep seeing this comment, aren't Google apps still some of the most downloaded on iTunes, yep just checked. Google search might no longer be the default but I truly believe no one will be using Bing with iOS 7 and will just type Google.com into Safari, at least that's what I'll be doing, Bing is utter crap. Why can't I change the default search engine back to Google if I wanted too or change the default browser for that matter.
OK, maybe I'm missing something here. But what's wrong with Bing? It seems to me that the different engines do things slightly differently, sure, but the fact of the matter remains: If you type "How do I make a pot roast?" into any of them, you'll more than likely get a decent set of results.
A search engine is a search engine, from what I can tell.
The whole article is based on the wrong assumption: they did not use Android therefore they want to dump it. You might want to step back and see what is Android, exactly and what it is for. Android consists of several layers: - Linux kernel (slightly modified, but very close now to mainline) - Dalvik virtual machine (for all means a purposes a modified Java virtual machine) - Android SDK, used for user interaction
Now the Chromecast does not have an UI per se (it does just one thing) and does not need sensors and the like. Android SDK and Dalvik would be an overkill for such a low cost platform (native code runs faster than Java/Dalvik binaries) so they kept the Linux kernel and they ran the Chrome application natively to get the best performance.
So you are reading too much in the tea leaves: Google operates differently than Apple and engineers can influence a decision.
(That does not change the fact Samsung is the biggest beast in Android world. But I might have noticed they are hedging their bets with Tizen)
I keep seeing this comment, aren't Google apps still some of the most downloaded on iTunes, yep just checked.
Maybe that's another reason for them not to do Android any more? In the beginning they worried: "If we don't do this OS, Apple will put their own services on iPhone and lock us out," but now they see that people will ignore the built in apps and use Google's anyway, so they didn't need their own OS after all.
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Originally Posted by Gwydion
Can you point to those strong indications?
Certainly but I think everyone would agree that you should do your own research in the fast moving field of tech to avoid fanboy misinformation.
Start here with old news:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/heres-samsungs-plan-free-itself-000400865.html
That link is six months old and there have been quite a few more details seen since including reference to 2013 for the developers meeting on the West Coast being very significant in Samsung's plans going forward.
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Originally Posted by Gwydion
Can you point to those strong indications?
I have seen them too. For one the fact that they have been bypassing many of the new Android signature technologies and pushing their own in their place which undermines Google since Samsung sell most of the Android phones. They have also gone outside of Android to provide security for businesses and a consumer theft deterrent. With Samsung just released S4 they are now pushing Samsung Apps and Samsung Hub that completely replace Google Play but also provides their proprietary apps as well. They also just announce their own developer conference for October 2013. Google can see the writing on the wall even if their supporters don't.
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Originally Posted by 4phun
Certainly but I think everyone would agree that you should do your own research in the fast moving field of tech to avoid fanboy misinformation.
Start here with old news:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/heres-samsungs-plan-free-itself-000400865.html
That link is six months old and there have been quite a few more details seen since including reference to August 2013 for the developers meeting on the West Coast being very significant in Samsung's plans going forward.
I have done my research, I'm asking you you "strong indications", those are your words.
Samsung building a Tizen smartphone doesn't imply Samsung leaving Google or Android and they are not "strong indications", they have developed Bada phones, WP7.5 and WP8 phones and they don't have left Android. Why developing a Tizen smartphone would mean leaving Android?
By the way, Tizen OpenMobile's Application Compatibility Layer can't execute Google Services
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Originally Posted by genovelle
I have seen them too. For one the fact that they have been bypassing many of the new Android signature technologies and pushing their own in their place which undermines Google since Samsung sell most of the Android phones. They have also gone outside of Android to provide security for businesses and a consumer theft deterrent. With Samsung just released S4 they are now pushing Samsung Apps and Samsung Hub that completely replace Google Play but also provides their proprietary apps as well. They also just announce their own developer conference for October 2013. Google can see the writing on the wall even if their supporters don't.
Since when adding features is leaving apart the core? It is funny, the only ones seeing Samsung leaving Android or forking it are the ones that can't stand Android
They are dumping massive resources into Android and getting next to nothing in return. Setting aside the $14.2 billion Moto sinkhole I'd be surprised if they are breaking even with search revenue. More likely that is also running in the red as they are giving tablets away at cost just to break into mobile search, an area Apple owns directly and indirectly.
I'm sure Samsung is loving it but this leaves Google with three choices, go to war with Samsung to take back marketshare and/or charge Samsung and every other phone maker for development and/or get out slowly to save face.
War with Samsung to take back marketshare will be long and costly and licensing will make Android more expensive thus benefiting the iPhone.
No matter what Google is going to bleed billions more in profit before this is over.
In the end crossing Apple yielded them nothing but an expensive lessen.
I'm not surprised they are in serious talks with Apple again.
Hope this isn't the cliffhanger/bomb he told us he was going to drop lol
Google has bled $14.2 billion and is looking at continuing billion dollar losses. Explain how they turn a profit?
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Originally Posted by snova
At first I thought the headline was crazy, but after reading the whole article, I think you make a strong business case.
They seem to have burned their bridges. Samsung does not need them. Amazon does not need them. Apple does not need them. Who needs a new version of Android?
How is the tablet space gonna grow? It will be a race to the bottom against Amazon. Samsung will get their butt handed to them against Amazon based on price.
Yeah and Amazon barely makes money either. Giving things away is not a profitable business model but what a boon for consumers!
The very best of socialism. Amazon employs thousands, generates business for thousands of companies who employ thousands and provide and awesome almost-at-cost service to consumers while trickling up meager profits to rich investors who contribute nothing.
This article is like 3 stories tall. My neighbors on the 6th floor are seeing AppleInsider's header right now, after all the down-scrolling.
Anyone who didn't bury their heads in the sand for the last 5 years has noticed that Android never delivered on its original premise, since Google has been gaining more from iOS than from its own platform all along. Android was simply a random guy's project who was lucky to receive a lot more attention than it deserved from a multi-billion dollar company.
It would, however, surprise me to see Android die after Google wasted so much time and resources on it, not to mention that this would create a huge void that would be hard for the competition to fill. Android took Symbian's position, but if it dies by itself, who's gonna take its position now that Symbian is dead and buried? Microsoft? Blackberry? Would we see a return of vendor-specific firmwares (likely Android-based)? And can Google repair the damage that its aggressive push for Android has caused to the company? I'd still like Google Maps back as default, because Apple Maps can not compete with it, but would Apple go back?
Dream on, author. Android isn't going away. But it is evolving. My prediction, within 3 years Android phones be sold by only Motorola. Samsung will go with Tizen and the others will either develop their own OS or fade away.
Just my .02
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Originally Posted by Epsico
This article is like 3 stories tall. My neighbors on the 6th floor are seeing AppleInsider's header right now, after all the down-scrolling.
Anyone who didn't bury their heads in the sand for the last 5 years has noticed that Android never delivered on its original premise, since Google has been gaining more from iOS than from its own platform all along. Android was simply a random guy's project who was lucky to receive a lot more attention than it deserved from a multi-billion dollar company.
It would, however, surprise me to see Android die after Google wasted so much time and resources on it, not to mention that this would create a huge void that would be hard for the competition to fill. Android took Symbian's position, but if it dies by itself, who's gonna take its position now that Symbian is dead and buried? Microsoft? Blackberry? Would we see a return of vendor-specific firmwares (likely Android-based)? And can Google repair the damage that its aggressive push for Android has caused to the company? I'd still like Google Maps back as default, because Apple Maps can not compete with it, but would Apple go back?
It will not suddenly die. It will go away, little by little. Chrome will begin to have a more major role in Android until Chrome OS is ready. And when that time comes Fandroids will hailed it as a big success of Google, a natural progression from Android, not the getting rid of the failure people on Apple camp believe.
I keep seeing this comment, aren't Google apps still some of the most downloaded on iTunes, yep just checked. Google search might no longer be the default but I truly believe no one will be using Bing with iOS 7 and will just type Google.com into Safari, at least that's what I'll be doing, Bing is utter crap. Why can't I change the default search engine back to Google if I wanted too or change the default browser for that matter.
I feel that the long drought in Android updates is simply Google realising the futility of releasing so many new versions of their OS in so short a period of time, when they simply aren't cascading down to the end users. Not everyone is going to run out and buy a new phone everytime Android updates, much less be savvy enough to root their phones. I would like to believe that they are simply brainstorming a more effective way of pushing them to the consumers.
After all, while Apple updates IOS once a year, all iphone users are going to get it, and get it on the same day, without fear of carrier meddling.
Android isn't going anywhere, though I do believe that it will eventually become more closed. Apple has shown that the most profitable way is still to control the hardware and software. Samsung is trying to do something like that, and I think the siren's call of higher profits will eventually tempt Google to do the same thing as well.
Another brilliant article from AI ....
Now we know why Google has been in lots of lots of talks with Apple!
Google: We are so sorry for stealing and copying your codes. We even kicked Andy out of company ...
Apple: ....
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Originally Posted by Relic
I keep seeing this comment, aren't Google apps still some of the most downloaded on iTunes, yep just checked. Google search might no longer be the default but I truly believe no one will be using Bing with iOS 7 and will just type Google.com into Safari, at least that's what I'll be doing, Bing is utter crap. Why can't I change the default search engine back to Google if I wanted too or change the default browser for that matter.
OK, maybe I'm missing something here. But what's wrong with Bing? It seems to me that the different engines do things slightly differently, sure, but the fact of the matter remains: If you type "How do I make a pot roast?" into any of them, you'll more than likely get a decent set of results.
A search engine is a search engine, from what I can tell.
Android consists of several layers:
- Linux kernel (slightly modified, but very close now to mainline)
- Dalvik virtual machine (for all means a purposes a modified Java virtual machine)
- Android SDK, used for user interaction
Now the Chromecast does not have an UI per se (it does just one thing) and does not need sensors and the like. Android SDK and Dalvik would be an overkill for such a low cost platform (native code runs faster than Java/Dalvik binaries) so they kept the Linux kernel and they ran the Chrome application natively to get the best performance.
So you are reading too much in the tea leaves: Google operates differently than Apple and engineers can influence a decision.
(That does not change the fact Samsung is the biggest beast in Android world. But I might have noticed they are hedging their bets with Tizen)
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Originally Posted by Relic
I keep seeing this comment, aren't Google apps still some of the most downloaded on iTunes, yep just checked.
Maybe that's another reason for them not to do Android any more? In the beginning they worried: "If we don't do this OS, Apple will put their own services on iPhone and lock us out," but now they see that people will ignore the built in apps and use Google's anyway, so they didn't need their own OS after all.