I hope that more and more people would read what the key difference between SEP which come with FRAND commitments that apply to all companies regardless of competitor status or not, versus normal patents which are exclusive to the inventor/patent holder. It would also help if articles were more clear on the differences too, than merging the two types together like certain companies who wish to get away with patent infringement want.
A samsung rep said this "Samsung will continue to launch many innovative products and we have already taken measures to ensure that all of our products will continue to be available in the United States."
Samsung will continue to launch many innovative products - His way of saying we'll keep cloning more.
and the part they have taken measures to ensure all there products will continue to be available in the US - Is a way to calm carriers / retailers from dumping there devices for dirt cheap prices and bear the losses. They'll try to prolong this until the point they figure out how to come up with techniques to overcome the infringement.
Because of the time it takes to get an import ban rendering banned products obsolete (or)
in case of damage payout's the paid out amount is a small percentage of the total profit made from the device in question, Samsung would still keep infringing and wont ever have the need to stop.
Irrespective of this, there's damage being done on Samesung's reputation. People do see that they are getting banned. Don't you think that would negatively impact sales of there non-banned phones too ? The consumers obvious question would be , "Should I buy this phone, who knows if its gonna get banned sooner or later in the country, meaning ill end up loosing support for the device in the future".
Sort of.
In reality, when you read the press, every time Samsung wins some tiny point, it's headline news. But when Apple wins a major point, it bets buried on the last page - if it appears at all. So the media is giving a very biased view of things.
In reality, when you read the press, every time Samsung wins some tiny point, it's headline news. But when Apple wins a major point, it bets buried on the last page - if it appears at all. So the media is giving a very biased view of things.
that may be true.. but their stock sure did take a beating after the Obama veto.
U.S. patent law is such nonsense - this rubbish could go on for the next century and achieve absolutely nothing (except spending a colossal amount on lawyers and not on innovation).
Translation: Innovate, don't litigate.
Response: Can it. No, that's not legalese or even filmese.
[QUOTE]The ITC's final determination found Samsung to have infringed on two Apple patents, one for a touchscreen control method and another for headphone I/O tech, which means an import ban on offending products has been ordered, reports FOSS Patents' Florian Mueller.[/QUOTE] I don't get Samsung's statement. What do either of those have to do with rounded rectangles? Are they even design patents?
Yeop its a possibility that retail outlets might drop prices of the phones to sell it before landing a ban.
Or when the ban goes into effect they'll have to push all there inventory into the gray / black market.
Still too early to judge though.
It's an import ban, not a sales ban.
What's going to be a bigger problem for Samsung is negotiating large forward contracts. It's a slim chance, but retailers may decide to pass on Samsung gear and turn more towards people like HTC. I'm thinking that's one desired affect Apple would like to see.
If Apple *really* wanted to put the screws to Samsung (and Motorola, for that matter) they should license some Apple tech to HTC for a short period. If the economics even warrant, they could even buy a large position in HTC provided Taiwan would let it happen.
So why does it impact older Samsung products only as many sources are reporting now?
Doesn't S4 use multi-touch?
Yes. it does. Otherwise, no one would buy any of Galaxy line. This is really bad for Samsung if the multi-touch technology they use is the same as the one that Apple patented.
Good news there... Will have to wait and figure out what models are in question here for the ban.
Pointless if some really old model's are being banned.
The method of multi-touch and the headphone detection when plugged, these sounds like very fundamental to the phone.
I am guessing every device model till date would be infringing those.
Apple patent didn't prohibit others from using multi-touch technology in a mobile device since there're many different multi-touch technologies before Apple's. However, others cannot copy the "method" of using multi-touch in the same manner as Apple. The same goes for headphone detection method.
Apple patent didn't prohibit others from using multi-touch technology in a mobile device since there're many different multi-touch technologies before Apple's. However, others cannot copy the "method" of using multi-touch in the same manner as Apple. The same goes for headphone detection method.
Many people are unaware of the fact that there's quite a few 'multi touch' patents out there.
I haven't found a list of what all is included in the ban, but you can be certain that they're old models.
Yes, they're old models. As I noted in a post this morning:
The accused devices are the Galaxy S 4G, Fascinate, Transform, Captivate, Intercept, Infuse 4G, Galaxy Tab (original) and Galaxy Tab 10.1 (second model).
The reason why Apple keeps pursuing seemingly meaningless bans on old products, is because they want to set a precedent that they can use on current products.
However, the touch scroll patent has already been worked around in later models. I don't know if the jack detection has already been done so as well. IIRC, it was about using impedance to recognize a microphone.
If Apple *really* wanted to put the screws to Samsung (and Motorola, for that matter) they should license some Apple tech to HTC for a short period. If the economics even warrant, they could even buy a large position in HTC provided Taiwan would let it happen.
Apple already cross-licensed ALL their non-design patents with HTC last year.
About time Samsung 'buyer known as the COPYCAT' gets kicked where it hurts. Even though the products effected are old, it still upholds what a patent stands for.
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A samsung rep said this "Samsung will continue to launch many innovative products and we have already taken measures to ensure that all of our products will continue to be available in the United States."
Samsung will continue to launch many innovative products - His way of saying we'll keep cloning more.
and the part they have taken measures to ensure all there products will continue to be available in the US - Is a way to calm carriers / retailers from dumping there devices for dirt cheap prices and bear the losses. They'll try to prolong this until the point they figure out how to come up with techniques to overcome the infringement.
Sort of.
In reality, when you read the press, every time Samsung wins some tiny point, it's headline news. But when Apple wins a major point, it bets buried on the last page - if it appears at all. So the media is giving a very biased view of things.
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Originally Posted by jragosta
Sort of.
In reality, when you read the press, every time Samsung wins some tiny point, it's headline news. But when Apple wins a major point, it bets buried on the last page - if it appears at all. So the media is giving a very biased view of things.
that may be true.. but their stock sure did take a beating after the Obama veto.
Originally Posted by jamesmcd
U.S. patent law is such nonsense - this rubbish could go on for the next century and achieve absolutely nothing (except spending a colossal amount on lawyers and not on innovation).
Translation: Innovate, don't litigate.
Response: Can it. No, that's not legalese or even filmese.
Originally Posted by LarryA
Troll much?
It's tooltalk. So, yes!
I don't get Samsung's statement. What do either of those have to do with rounded rectangles? Are they even design patents?
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Originally Posted by nikilok
Yeop its a possibility that retail outlets might drop prices of the phones to sell it before landing a ban.
Or when the ban goes into effect they'll have to push all there inventory into the gray / black market.
Still too early to judge though.
It's an import ban, not a sales ban.
What's going to be a bigger problem for Samsung is negotiating large forward contracts. It's a slim chance, but retailers may decide to pass on Samsung gear and turn more towards people like HTC. I'm thinking that's one desired affect Apple would like to see.
If Apple *really* wanted to put the screws to Samsung (and Motorola, for that matter) they should license some Apple tech to HTC for a short period. If the economics even warrant, they could even buy a large position in HTC provided Taiwan would let it happen.
What statement did Samsung make? I didn't see on in the article.
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Originally Posted by jason98
So why does it impact older Samsung products only as many sources are reporting now?
Doesn't S4 use multi-touch?
Yes. it does. Otherwise, no one would buy any of Galaxy line. This is really bad for Samsung if the multi-touch technology they use is the same as the one that Apple patented.
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Originally Posted by nikilok
Good news there... Will have to wait and figure out what models are in question here for the ban.
Pointless if some really old model's are being banned.
The method of multi-touch and the headphone detection when plugged, these sounds like very fundamental to the phone.
I am guessing every device model till date would be infringing those.
Apple patent didn't prohibit others from using multi-touch technology in a mobile device since there're many different multi-touch technologies before Apple's. However, others cannot copy the "method" of using multi-touch in the same manner as Apple. The same goes for headphone detection method.
Many people are unaware of the fact that there's quite a few 'multi touch' patents out there.
I believe one of the other four Apple patents tossed out in todays' ruling was a design patent.
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Originally Posted by DroidFTW
I haven't found a list of what all is included in the ban, but you can be certain that they're old models.
Yes, they're old models. As I noted in a post this morning:
The accused devices are the Galaxy S 4G, Fascinate, Transform, Captivate, Intercept, Infuse 4G, Galaxy Tab (original) and Galaxy Tab 10.1 (second model).
The reason why Apple keeps pursuing seemingly meaningless bans on old products, is because they want to set a precedent that they can use on current products.
However, the touch scroll patent has already been worked around in later models. I don't know if the jack detection has already been done so as well. IIRC, it was about using impedance to recognize a microphone.
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Originally Posted by snova
that may be true.. but their stock sure did take a beating after the Obama veto.
The day of the veto, Samsung's stock closed down just one point.
Heck, Apple stock lost more than that today.
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Originally Posted by patrickwalker
If Apple *really* wanted to put the screws to Samsung (and Motorola, for that matter) they should license some Apple tech to HTC for a short period. If the economics even warrant, they could even buy a large position in HTC provided Taiwan would let it happen.
Apple already cross-licensed ALL their non-design patents with HTC last year.
Didn't help.
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Originally Posted by Rogifan
I don't get Samsung's statement. What do either of those have to do with rounded rectangles? Are they even design patents?
There were two design patents in this case that the ITC determined Samsung did not infringe upon.
http://www.google.com/patents/USD558757
http://www.google.com/patents/USD618678
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Originally Posted by dasanman69
What statement did Samsung make? I didn't see on in the article.
Samsung made a statement to The Verge which I posted earlier in the thread. Here's a link to the original source.
http://www.theverge.com/2013/8/9/4607014/itc-bans-older-samsung-phones-for-infringing-apple-patents
good point..samsung never admits to stealing even though its business model.
How many people you know like to incriminate themselves?
Thanks, didn't see your post. Nonsensical statement if you ask me.