Update: Samsung later had this to say about Friday's decision (viaThe Verge):
We are disappointed that the ITC has issued an exclusion order based on two of Apple?s patents. However, Apple has been stopped from trying to use its overbroad design patents to achieve a monopoly on rectangles and rounded corners. The proper focus for the smartphone industry is not a global war in the courts, but fair competition in the marketplace. Samsung will continue to launch many innovative products and we have already taken measures to ensure that all of our products will continue to be available in the United States.
LOL: their press release sounds like standard troll talking points.
In reality, when you read the press, every time Samsung wins some tiny point, it's headline news. But when Apple wins a major point, it bets buried on the last page - if it appears at all. So the media is giving a very biased view of things.
Are you saying Sammy pays off the press to keep quite ?
Ok so basically this rounded rectangle nonsense is just that as the design patents usually get thrown out.
Their comment would be nonsense only if Apple had not tried to use rounded rectangular design patents.
In this case, though, Apple used designs from real products... unlike that generic rounded rectangular EU registered design that they used to put in lawsuits.
The first one ('757) was dismissed quickly, as no Samsung product looks exactly like it.
The second one ('678) ... for a rounded rectangular faceplate with rounded rectangular speaker slot and a rectangular screen cutout, took longer to determine as not infringed.
From the Final Determination order:
"The Commission has also issued cease and desist orders prohibiting SEA and STA from further importing, selling, and distributing articles that infringe one or more of claims 1, 4-6, 10, and 17-20 of the ’949 patent and claims 1-4 and 8 of the ’501 patent in the United States."
This will likely move a lot of devices now in the US but unsold (or not yet distributed) to the dumpster or the gray market. As it only applies to Samsung and it's subsidiary, it is unclear (to me) what impact it will have on your average retailer.
Samsung may be able to ship undistributed product back out of the US.
This decision has no effect on me. I don't own any Samsung or Apple stock so I have nothing to gain/lose financially from this. None of my Apple devices will change functionality since this decision either.
So why am I feeling so happy?
Simple. Just knowing how many trolls, haters and other useless posters in countles forums around the world are going to be fuming over this all weekend long kinda brings a smile to my face. It's hot and sunny here and I'm spending the weekend with my kids. So much better than raging over something that doesn't affect you, yet that doesn't stop so many people from letting it ruin their weekend.
So right, FacsimileSam and Goolies pay a swarm of trolls to attack Apple on numerous tech sites. Proof? Look at FaxSam's response.— rounded corners— Sheesh. What a low crud company. Style, class? Neither FaxSam nor Goolies can lay claim to any such adjectives round their compounds of ill endeavours and evil vapours.
So right, FacsimileSam and Goolies pay a swarm of trolls to attack Apple on numerous tech sites. Proof?
And we have the proof right here, in IP address records. If that's not good enough, we can read quite a few news articles about how Samsung was caught doing this specifically, yes.
And we have the proof right here, in IP address records. If that's not good enough, we can read quite a few news articles about how Samsung was caught doing this specifically, yes.
That's actually helpful then. So while you were moderating you got to see evidence of Samsung paying posters. You're right about the articles that already offered evidence of it, but based on your comment th Samsung effort is more widespread than the articles have so far implied.
To be clear tho it appears you're limiting the "proof" comment to Samsung and not Google who has never been shown to "pay for posts" AFAIK. Correct? You wouldn't want to inadvertently encourage FUD.
And we have the proof right here, in IP address records. If that's not good enough, we can read quite a few news articles about how Samsung was caught doing this specifically, yes.
Just curious how an IP address record proves that someone was paid for posting something.
I've done a fair amount of IP tracing to accomplish my job as a moderator. I can compare addresses with other members and track every IP that poster has used on the site. There's other tools I can use that can go even further and tell me if a specific IP address is know for delivering spam or causing other issues via comparison reports from other websites. Other common tools give me a visual map of the poster's (supposed) location along with the service provider and other details. There's even tools for discovering where a poster really is even tho they're trying to mask it. Depending on the permissions the admin allows (in my a case a lot) it can be pretty tough to hide your identity.
I've done a fair amount of IP tracing to accomplish my job as a moderator. I can compare addresses with other members and track every IP that poster has used on the site. There's other tools I can use that can go even further and tell me if a specific IP address is know for delivering spam via comparison reports from other websites. Other common tools give me a visual map of the poster's (supposed) location along with the service provider and other details. There's even tools for discovering where a poster really is even tho they're trying to mask it. Depending on the permissions the admin allows (in my a case a lot) it can be pretty tough to hide your identity.
I can understand all that. Yes, it's possible to trace a specific IP address to a specific location. It's even possible to infer that it's a single individual when one sees multiple sites getting the same troll messages.
But how do you use the IP address to prove that they've been PAID for that (which is what TS claimed). Unless it comes from Samsung HQ, how do you differentiate between an amateur shill and a paid one?
I can understand all that. Yes, it's possible to trace a specific IP address to a specific location. It's even possible to infer that it's a single individual when one sees multiple sites getting the same troll messages.
But how do you use the IP address to prove that they've been PAID for that (which is what TS claimed). Unless it comes from Samsung HQ, how do you differentiate between an amateur shill and a paid one?
Usually (but not always) you can't prove they're paid to post. At least I've not been able to and I'm not aware of anyone else claiming regular success. For the most part IP inspection reveals inference indicators and not definitive proof.
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider
Update: Samsung later had this to say about Friday's decision (via The Verge):
LOL: their press release sounds like standard troll talking points.
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Originally Posted by KDarling
Yes, they're old models. As I noted in a post this morning:
Old models, new models. That's not the point.
It's the fact that they were found guilty.
It confirms this kind of thing:
King of Samsung: a chairman's reign of cunning and corruption
http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/30/3709688/samsung-25-years-lee-kun-hee
It's fodder for Fandroids.
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Originally Posted by DroidFTW
Are you going to have to change your username?
There's hasn't been too much winning lately...
Are you saying Sammy pays off the press to keep quite ?
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Originally Posted by nikilok
Are you saying Sammy pays off the press to keep quite ?
He's saying that he doesn't keep up with the news very well.
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Originally Posted by Rogifan
Ok so basically this rounded rectangle nonsense is just that as the design patents usually get thrown out.
Their comment would be nonsense only if Apple had not tried to use rounded rectangular design patents.
In this case, though, Apple used designs from real products... unlike that generic rounded rectangular EU registered design that they used to put in lawsuits.
The first one ('757) was dismissed quickly, as no Samsung product looks exactly like it.
The second one ('678) ... for a rounded rectangular faceplate with rounded rectangular speaker slot and a rectangular screen cutout, took longer to determine as not infringed.
From the Final Determination order:
"The Commission has also issued cease and desist orders prohibiting SEA and STA from further importing, selling, and distributing articles that infringe one or more of claims 1, 4-6, 10, and 17-20 of the ’949 patent and claims 1-4 and 8 of the ’501 patent in the United States."
This will likely move a lot of devices now in the US but unsold (or not yet distributed) to the dumpster or the gray market. As it only applies to Samsung and it's subsidiary, it is unclear (to me) what impact it will have on your average retailer.
Samsung may be able to ship undistributed product back out of the US.
Of course. Where do you think the trolls get their talking points?
So right, FacsimileSam and Goolies pay a swarm of trolls to attack Apple on numerous tech sites. Proof? Look at FaxSam's response.— rounded corners— Sheesh. What a low crud company. Style, class? Neither FaxSam nor Goolies can lay claim to any such adjectives round their compounds of ill endeavours and evil vapours.
And I mean this in the truest scents.
Originally Posted by mhikl
So right, FacsimileSam and Goolies pay a swarm of trolls to attack Apple on numerous tech sites. Proof?
And we have the proof right here, in IP address records. If that's not good enough, we can read quite a few news articles about how Samsung was caught doing this specifically, yes.
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That's actually helpful then. So while you were moderating you got to see evidence of Samsung paying posters. You're right about the articles that already offered evidence of it, but based on your comment th Samsung effort is more widespread than the articles have so far implied.
To be clear tho it appears you're limiting the "proof" comment to Samsung and not Google who has never been shown to "pay for posts" AFAIK. Correct? You wouldn't want to inadvertently encourage FUD.
Just curious how an IP address record proves that someone was paid for posting something.
If an IP address can be traced to a Sammy office.
That makes sense but, who can do such tracing?
I've done a fair amount of IP tracing to accomplish my job as a moderator. I can compare addresses with other members and track every IP that poster has used on the site. There's other tools I can use that can go even further and tell me if a specific IP address is know for delivering spam or causing other issues via comparison reports from other websites. Other common tools give me a visual map of the poster's (supposed) location along with the service provider and other details. There's even tools for discovering where a poster really is even tho they're trying to mask it. Depending on the permissions the admin allows (in my a case a lot) it can be pretty tough to hide your identity.
I can understand all that. Yes, it's possible to trace a specific IP address to a specific location. It's even possible to infer that it's a single individual when one sees multiple sites getting the same troll messages.
But how do you use the IP address to prove that they've been PAID for that (which is what TS claimed). Unless it comes from Samsung HQ, how do you differentiate between an amateur shill and a paid one?
Usually (but not always) you can't prove they're paid to post. At least I've not been able to and I'm not aware of anyone else claiming regular success. For the most part IP inspection reveals inference indicators and not definitive proof.