Investor Carl Icahn reveals 'large position' in Apple, advises Tim Cook to buy back more stock [u]

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  • Reply 61 of 68
    jragostajragosta Posts: 10,473member
    Yes it would. Management can easily argue that the NPV of what they plan to do with the repatriated funds is greater than the value of the tax loss. You do not and and will not have the ability to second guess that as an investor if Apple's board goes along.

    If managers were sued for stuff like this, they will not be able to do a thing. You might as well handcuff them. That's the reason courts won't allow that type of frivolity.

    It wouldn't be that hard to make that argument. First, the tax loss exists, anyway. If they EVER plan to use that money in the U.S. (for dividends, acquisitions, etc), then the taxes need to be paid. So using it for dividends doesn't change anything. Second, Apple's P/E is less than half of what it should be based on the rest of the market, so a 30% tax loss to buy back shares isn't an unreasonable hit.

    Most importantly, though, you are absolutely correct. This falls well in line with reasonable management discretion and a court wouldn't second guess it. Since the board has already authorized share buybacks, it's simply not an issue.

    Besides, they wouldn't have to repatriate money, anyway, since they also got approval for a bond sale if necessary.
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  • Reply 62 of 68
    jragostajragosta Posts: 10,473member
    BTW, shares are showing another nice gain this morning. They're pushing toward 500.
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  • Reply 63 of 68
    jragosta wrote: »
    BTW, shares are showing another nice gain this morning. They're pushing toward 500.

    Isn't that a nice change.
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  • Reply 64 of 68
    dysamoriadysamoria Posts: 3,430member
    This is even worse than the obsession with British royalty.
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  • Reply 65 of 68
    dysamoria wrote: »
    This is even worse than the obsession with British royalty.

    Quite right. Ha!
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  • Reply 66 of 68
    wovelwovel Posts: 956member
    rogifan wrote: »
    jragosta wrote: »
    Of course it's grossly undervalued. Look at Apple's P/E compared to almost anyone else in the tech arena. Then consider who's bringing new ideas and moving the industry forward and try to justify that fact.
    What say you Larry Ellison? :D

    Ellison is just projecting. He hopes the day he leaves Oracle it collapses.
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  • Reply 67 of 68
    zogzogzogzog Posts: 14member
    In other news, Carl Icahn announced that his investment vehicle has been renamed iCahn.
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