Photo claims to show dozens of 'iPhone 5C 'units passing through QA testing

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  • Reply 61 of 121
    MarvinMarvin Posts: 14,878moderator
    The French blog site also posted photos of a black/brown and pink model:

    http://www.nowhereelse.fr/iphone-5c-plastique-rose-et-brun-87283/

    and there's a picture of a 5S mockup with a long yellow LED, and embossed logo with yellow writing.

    This seems to be a common thing now whenever a new Apple product is coming, to post loads of fake models and mockups. It helps Apple in a way because while many are clearly fake, it makes it hard to pick out any genuine ones. This didn't happen so much back in the old days, I guess because nobody paid much attention to what they were doing. Now that they have half a billion customers, everyone with a blog wants to feed off the interest in the new products so they want people linking back to their ad-supported sites to promote them.

    The pile of phones in the Pegatron factory doesn't look right, beyond just the black front. I don't see why they'd pile up production iPhones and risk them getting scratched. They are shipping millions of these so I guess some workstations might be messier than others but they've had inside looks into their factories and I'm sure the iPhones were charged using rows and rows of docks. There's a video here with Foxconn and you can see the care they take in the operation:

    http://news.softpedia.com/news/Five-Minutes-Inside-Foxconn-s-Factories-Video-254254.shtml

    Pegatron might be run differently but it doesn't look like a testing process that would be up to standard.
  • Reply 62 of 121
    gazoobeegazoobee Posts: 3,754member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by blackbook View Post


     


    Agreed.


     


    I'm hoping there's still something special in the 5C yet to be revealed. It needs a "cool" factor that sets it apart from the competition.


     


    Maybe instead of polycarbonate it will utilize a special bio-plastic for its colorful back panel? That would appease Greenpeace and help Apple's "cool" "eco-friendly" image. 


     


    Something along those lines would make the ugliness of the phones more forgivable and help Apple continue on with their green environmental goals; the same goals that led them to move away from environmentally damaging plastics in the first place...



     


    I'm still hoping that the extra 1.2mm of thickness is all battery. Can't think of any other reason.  24 hour battery? 


     


    I mean it's hard to get the figures on internal component sizes, but 1.2 mm is (rough calculation) a 25% larger battery.


     


    Edit: numbers wrong, only 0.8mm thicker, still … larger battery? 

  • Reply 63 of 121
    blackbook wrote: »
    Something along those lines would make the ugliness of the phones more forgivable and help Apple continue on with their green environmental goals; the same goals that led them to move away from environmentally damaging plastics in the first place...

    There's nothing necessarily 'environmentally damaging' about plastics. The issue with plastics is recycling. Arguably, plastics are a good way to sequester carbon.

    Everything is a mixed blessing: I'd rather have my x-rays, toothbrushes, and buttons, with proper (incentives for) recycling.
  • Reply 64 of 121
    There is no reason why this phone, if it is genuine, cannot come with a black front or white front as the iPod Touch does have this variation too.
  • Reply 65 of 121
    blackbookblackbook Posts: 1,361member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post





    There's nothing necessarily 'environmentally damaging' about plastics. The issue with plastics is recycling. Arguably, plastics are a good way to sequester carbon.



    Everything is a mixed blessing: I'd rather have my x-rays, toothbrushes, and buttons, with proper (incentives for) recycling.


     


    That's true for the most part, but Apple themselves seem to demonize regular plastic.


     


    On their apple.com/environment page, every time a product transitions from plastic to aluminum it's marked as an environmental feat and a progressive move toward greater recyclability. 


     


    But last year it looks like the AirPort Express (one of Apple's few remaining plastic products) was upgraded to a bioplastic material. Maybe we'll see the same material in the 5C?


     


    Could be a great marketing point if the 5C is the first mass produced bioplastic smartphone (Cue Phil saying "Can't innovate anymore my ass!")

  • Reply 66 of 121
    blackbookblackbook Posts: 1,361member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post


     


    I'm still hoping that the extra 1.2mm of thickness is all battery. Can't think of any other reason.  24 hour battery? 


     


    I mean it's hard to get the figures on internal component sizes, but 1.2 mm is (rough calculation) a 25% larger battery.


     


    Edit: numbers wrong, only 0.8mm thicker, still … larger battery? 



     


    That would make sense. 


     


    It looks like from at least some reports the upcoming A7 is more power efficient and the 5S looks to have a slightly larger battery as well.


     


    With the 5C using an A6 it would probably need a more significant battery upgrade to match the 5S's battery life (if that's what Apple is going for).


     


    Maybe we'll see 24 hour battery life for both?

  • Reply 67 of 121
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 23,514member
    blackbook wrote: »
    That's true for the most part, but Apple themselves seem to demonize regular plastic.

    On their apple.com/environment page, every time a product transitions from plastic to aluminum it's marked as an environmental feat and a progressive move toward greater recyclability. 

    But last year it looks like the AirPort Express (one of Apple's few remaining plastic products) was upgraded to a bioplastic material. Maybe we'll see the same material in the 5C?

    Could be a great marketing point if the 5C is the first mass produced bioplastic smartphone (Cue Phil saying "Can't innovate anymore my ass!")

    I won't bother saying who it was :\, but there were "mass-produced bio-plastic" mobile phones in 2008. Smartphones specifically? Yeah that too, 2011.
  • Reply 68 of 121
    blackbookblackbook Posts: 1,361member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post





    I won't bother saying who it was image, but there were "mass-produced bio-plastic" mobile phones in 2008. Smartphones specifically? Yeah that too, 2011.


     


    True, but remember that the iPhone 5 was the thinnest smartphone in the world...

  • Reply 69 of 121
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 23,514member
    blackbook wrote: »
    True, but remember that the iPhone 5 was the thinnest smartphone in the world...

    :D
  • Reply 70 of 121
    charlitunacharlituna Posts: 7,217member
    I call fake on this photo.

    One, how the hell did it get taken. No way would they not have security to make sure no one takes photos
    Two, there can't be that many folks supervising QA so someone would be costing themselves a job. Can't see anyone being that stupid
    Three, apple is too anal for this to be their testing. Apple would require neat little rows, all apple only cables, everything in the same testing. Not this mashup

    This looks more like one of those knock off companies copying the rumors and trying to pass off their work as the legit thing. Make a few bucks before the polyc iPod touch is revealed.
  • Reply 71 of 121
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 23,514member
    charlituna wrote: »
    I call fake on this photo.

    One, how the hell did it get taken. No way would they not have security to make sure no one takes photos
    Two, there can't be that many folks supervising QA so someone would be costing themselves a job. Can't see anyone being that stupid
    Three, apple is too anal for this to be their testing. Apple would require neat little rows, all apple only cables, everything in the same testing. Not this mashup

    This looks more like one of those knock off companies copying the rumors and trying to pass off their work as the legit thing. Make a few bucks before the polyc iPod touch is revealed.

    Engadget has an article that explains things better.

    "...after digging around the original poster's Sina Weibo profile, we deduced that this spy shot came straight out of Pegatron's Shanghai plant..."
    http://www.engadget.com/2013/08/24/pegatron-iphone-5c-leak/

    They went on to say they've seen this type of thing before during factory tours but weren't permitted to photograph it.
  • Reply 72 of 121
    charlitunacharlituna Posts: 7,217member
    apple ][ wrote: »

    It's obviously a small test batch. That's how modern manufacturing works. It doesn't matter if you're mass producing beer or iPhones, the same principles apply.

    Apple is too anal to have even a small test batch treated like this.

    This is the company that (according to the stories) only lets certified Geniuses replace screens on the phone 5 although their mobile specialists are good enough to do everything else. Story is that they have two every expensive machines in the back that test every display after it is put on to make sure it is functioning and to program the exact levels of touch sensitivity out of the range that that display registers, among other things.

    No way would they be so shabby with even one unit, particularly in regards to using what appears to be third party power cables.
  • Reply 73 of 121
    blackbookblackbook Posts: 1,361member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by charlituna View Post





    Apple is too anal to have even a small test batch treated like this.



    This is the company that (according to the stories) only lets certified Geniuses replace screens on the phone 5 although their mobile specialists are good enough to do everything else. Story is that they have two every expensive machines in the back that test every display after it is put on to make sure it is functioning and to program the exact levels of touch sensitivity out of the range that that display registers, among other things.



    No way would they be so shabby with even one unit, particularly in regards to using what appears to be third party power cables.


     


    Maybe this is Pegatron's own in house testing to make sure the phones they built are operational? Apple likely has their own testing facilities and in house tests for quality control and such as well.


     


    The girl who originally posted these pics seemed to have an ulterior motive. She probably was given a spy cam built into a pen or eye glasses or something by the company she was really working for (either Samsung or Chinese smartphone maker Xiaomi). That's why no one caught her take the pics until she leaked them, and she probably only leaked them because her real employer told her to. Also the comment she made was notably calculated too. Comparing the 5C to a Chinese knockoff? Pretty low blow.


     


    Anyway she probably got paid enough money where the experience was worth it, who knows?

  • Reply 74 of 121
    charlitunacharlituna Posts: 7,217member
    gatorguy wrote: »
    Engadget has an article that explains things better.

    "...after digging around the original poster's Sina Weibo profile, we deduced that this spy shot came straight out of Pegatron's Shanghai plant..."
    http://www.engadget.com/2013/08/24/pegatron-iphone-5c-leak/

    Deducing is not proving and you can fake a profile.

    I could write a bio for this site that says that I'm a 32 year old female FX specialist living in LA that has worked on dozen major motion pictures (and name them) and I could really be a 50 year old guy in Hicksville, Alabama who fixes tractors for a living
  • Reply 75 of 121
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 23,514member
    charlituna wrote: »
    Deducing is not proving and you can fake a profile.

    I could write a bio for this site that says that I'm a 32 year old female FX specialist living in LA that has worked on dozen major motion pictures (and name them) and I could really be a 50 year old guy in Hicksville, Alabama who fixes tractors for a living

    Possible, but Engadget says they've seen similar stuff before during factory tours but weren't permitted to photograph those scenes. That isn't proof that Engadget isn't "lying" of course since they don't have their own photographic evidence.
  • Reply 76 of 121
    dnd0psdnd0ps Posts: 253member


    It's Sunday!! Where's my DED Editorial?

  • Reply 77 of 121
    MarvinMarvin Posts: 14,878moderator
    gatorguy wrote: »
    Possible, but Engadget says they've seen similar stuff before during factory tours but weren't permitted to photograph those scenes. That isn't proof that Engadget isn't "lying" of course since they don't have their own photographic evidence.

    They saw similar things during factory tours of the Meizu factory. Meizu makes phones with black fronts and white plastic backs that look like iPhones:

    http://en.meizu.com

    A commenter somewhere even said that one of the screens looks like it's running Android. Maybe you can tell, does the screen with the blue/red/green colors on it resemble any of the Android startup animations or wallpapers?

    The displays are also washed out at the extreme angles, which suggests non-IPS displays. Meizu phones use ASV displays so they should be ok at extreme angles but Apple doesn't use TN panels any more, even in the iPad Mini or iPod Touch.
  • Reply 78 of 121
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 23,514member
    Marvin wrote: »
    They saw similar things during factory tours of the Meizu factory. Meizu makes phones with black fronts and white plastic backs that look like iPhones:

    http://en.meizu.com

    A commenter somewhere even said that one of the screens looks like it's running Android. Maybe you can tell, does the screen with the blue/red/green colors on it resemble any of the Android startup animations or wallpapers?

    The displays are also washed out at the extreme angles, which suggests non-IPS displays. Meizu phones use ASV displays so they should be ok at extreme angles but Apple doesn't use TN panels any more, even in the iPad Mini or iPod Touch.

    All good questions Marvin. As far as the one phone at the top I don't personally know of any Android phones with a red/green/blue animation like that but I also couldn't possibly say there wasn't one seeing as Android home screens can be anything the manufacturer wants. The iPhone-ish round and what looks like dimensional home button doesn't resemble anything Android I've seen either, not that it proves anything. FWIW the current Meizu phone you linked looks to have a softkey for home.

    In just 16 days we can revisit this thread and see if the actual iPhone looks like what we see in this photo.
  • Reply 79 of 121

    Originally Posted by toysandme View Post


    Some of these phones are MUCH LARGER than the current 5...


     


    Which you can tell from… absolutely nothing whatsoever, and in fact the size of the Lightning connector proves otherwise.

  • Reply 80 of 121
    gazoobeegazoobee Posts: 3,754member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by charlituna View Post





    Apple is too anal to have even a small test batch treated like this.  …


     


    I know you're a hot FX artist and all … image … but I'm not so sure you're right on this.  


     


    The phones all clearly have the protective film on the screen and we could assume it's also on the back, so  it's not like they would be scratched by being treated this way.  


     


    I know nothing about quality assurance procedure at such a factory, but I could imagine that they might have a deal where they pick random phones out of the lineup and toss them on the rack like this to see if they light up or something.  They can't test them all, so the testing they do might not be as structured as we imagine.  


     


    Every single iPhone I've ever bought has had some kind of manufacturing defect and had to be exchanged/fixed in the first month or so as a result.  If you buy them when they are brand new (the first batches like) there are actually a lot of faults, dings, etc.  

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