Does this mean we can expect a Nokia Surface now? (Or, more likely, the "Microsoft Nokia Surface Windows RT" given the catchy names Microsoft usually comes up with.)
Nokia has a Windows RT tablet in development. It was shown off last week and looks very similar to the Lumia range of phones.
After Apple's smart phone success story Google buys failed Motorola and now Microsoft follows suit with another failed phone maker. Smells like success is just around the corner!
Now which way are those deck chairs suppose to face?
And in other news the market share of WP in places like Germany is 9% and going up, and Apple is 11% and going down...
Nokia was not at all in financial trouble before Elop took over. This was a textbook destruction of a viable company. If Nokia would have (and I am not an Android fan at all) bet on Android, then Samsung would be in trouble.
Nokia's engineers and distribution network are easily worth $7.2bn, if you have the products to push... Luckily, MS hasn't.
Not strictly in financial trouble, but coasting on past successes. The momentum was running out and they really started to slide about when he started. There was nothing he could do except stop them crashing. And looking at the 2Q results they were starting to level out.
And in other news the market share of WP in places like Germany is 9% and going up, and Apple is 11% and going down...
And with Nokia selling a new and unlocked WP8 phone for 150 EUR at a loss, and Apple selling a 12 months old device for 680 EUR... this is news?
What is your suggestion for Apple? Selling itself to MS for $7.2bn after following the same strategy? Cook may not be Jobs, but at least he isn't working for Ballmer.
What's it called? The Windows RT ZOOM tablet? Does it have a kickstand that goes click? How about a 41 MP camera?
Now that's just it. The Nokia hardware is usually very, very nice. If Microsoft could get their act together to tie into the larger ecosystem of software for the enterprise, they'd have a success on their hands. They'd need to be fast, though, since there are ways of using iPads in an enterprise with an MS backend too - it just involves more non-MS software. Interesting development, nonetheless.
Not strictly in financial trouble, but coasting on past successes. The momentum was running out and they really started to slide about when he started. There was nothing he could do except stop them crashing. And looking at the 2Q results they were starting to level out.
Not only "not strictly" in financial trouble, not in financial trouble at all - the phone business was even able to balance the (then) loss-making NSN and the always loss-making maps. They were even increasing sales then (not market share though).
Looking at 2Q, a good quarter for NSN was almost able to compensate for the losses in devices and maps (combined with MS's $250m quarterly injection and marketing support) after sinking from being smart phone vendor number 1 to number 9 in less than two years.
Elop turned the (always profitable) feature phone business into mayhem and, bottom line (after overheads and expenses) lost an average of 14% on every phone (smart or not) sold. Several industry experts have called it the worst destruction of any company ever, or even "New Coke", "Deepwater Horizon" and the "Edsel" combined... Elop achieved only one thing: making Nokia cheap enough for MS.
The Apple effect, or rather the iPhone effect, is still reverberating.
On the other hand, Nintendo, another software-hardware-in-the-same-house company, is struggling.
Nintendo is struggling because there hardware / software tech is prolly old school. They refused to move into the new age software / hardware aeon we are now in.
Why would people go with Nintendo when Play Stations and Xbox's give more superior entertainment to the end user .
Hence being vertically integrated with cutting edge tech + being innovative is what it takes to be the leader
Apple should buy "Nokia Here" mapping and location services business if possible and perhaps the phone patents a.
Apple should buy the Nokia Here" mapping and location services business which is big in automobiles today. This is an opportunity to have it's own maps data and push iOS in cars in a big way.
Since Microsoft is only licensing the patents from Nokia, Apple may wish to buy them if the technologies make sense long term.
Not only "not strictly" in financial trouble, not in financial trouble at all - the phone business was even able to balance the (then) loss-making NSN and the always loss-making maps. They were even increasing sales then (not market share though).
Looking at 2Q, a good quarter for NSN was almost able to compensate for the losses in devices and maps (combined with MS's $250m quarterly injection and marketing support) after sinking from being smart phone vendor number 1 to number 9 in less than two years.
Elop turned the (always profitable) feature phone business into mayhem and, bottom line (after overheads and expenses) lost an average of 14% on every phone (smart or not) sold. Several industry experts have called it the worst destruction of any company ever, or even "New Coke", "Deepwater Horizon" and the "Edsel" combined... Elop achieved only one thing: making Nokia cheap enough for MS.
Don't quote Tomi, it only makes you look silly.
"Nokia’s management was doing a very good job of destroying its value long before he arrived." - Michael Mace
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Nokia has a Windows RT tablet in development. It was shown off last week and looks very similar to the Lumia range of phones.
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Same as before....nobody.
I think maybe HP or Dell might be interested in Blackberry, there's always a sucker out there for something. HP was dumb enough to buy Palm.
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Originally Posted by RichL
Nokia has a Windows RT tablet in development. It was shown off last week and looks very similar to the Lumia range of phones.
What's it called? The Windows RT ZOOM tablet? Does it have a kickstand that goes click? How about a 41 MP camera?
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Originally Posted by richsadams
After Apple's smart phone success story Google buys failed Motorola and now Microsoft follows suit with another failed phone maker. Smells like success is just around the corner!
Now which way are those deck chairs suppose to face?
And in other news the market share of WP in places like Germany is 9% and going up, and Apple is 11% and going down...
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Originally Posted by dreyfus2
Nokia was not at all in financial trouble before Elop took over. This was a textbook destruction of a viable company. If Nokia would have (and I am not an Android fan at all) bet on Android, then Samsung would be in trouble.
Nokia's engineers and distribution network are easily worth $7.2bn, if you have the products to push... Luckily, MS hasn't.
Not strictly in financial trouble, but coasting on past successes. The momentum was running out and they really started to slide about when he started. There was nothing he could do except stop them crashing. And looking at the 2Q results they were starting to level out.
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Originally Posted by jodyfanning
And in other news the market share of WP in places like Germany is 9% and going up, and Apple is 11% and going down...
And with Nokia selling a new and unlocked WP8 phone for 150 EUR at a loss, and Apple selling a 12 months old device for 680 EUR... this is news?
What is your suggestion for Apple? Selling itself to MS for $7.2bn after following the same strategy? Cook may not be Jobs, but at least he isn't working for Ballmer.
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Originally Posted by drblank
What's it called? The Windows RT ZOOM tablet? Does it have a kickstand that goes click? How about a 41 MP camera?
Now that's just it. The Nokia hardware is usually very, very nice. If Microsoft could get their act together to tie into the larger ecosystem of software for the enterprise, they'd have a success on their hands. They'd need to be fast, though, since there are ways of using iPads in an enterprise with an MS backend too - it just involves more non-MS software. Interesting development, nonetheless.
This is why you can't write MS off. They have the cash to make big moves.
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Originally Posted by jodyfanning
Not strictly in financial trouble, but coasting on past successes. The momentum was running out and they really started to slide about when he started. There was nothing he could do except stop them crashing. And looking at the 2Q results they were starting to level out.
Not only "not strictly" in financial trouble, not in financial trouble at all - the phone business was even able to balance the (then) loss-making NSN and the always loss-making maps. They were even increasing sales then (not market share though).
Looking at 2Q, a good quarter for NSN was almost able to compensate for the losses in devices and maps (combined with MS's $250m quarterly injection and marketing support) after sinking from being smart phone vendor number 1 to number 9 in less than two years.
Elop turned the (always profitable) feature phone business into mayhem and, bottom line (after overheads and expenses) lost an average of 14% on every phone (smart or not) sold. Several industry experts have called it the worst destruction of any company ever, or even "New Coke", "Deepwater Horizon" and the "Edsel" combined... Elop achieved only one thing: making Nokia cheap enough for MS.
On the day Google acquired Moto only people have expected that MS would buy Nokia.
No surprise.
Everybody now realize the power of being vertically integrated.
That is own the hardware team and the software team right under the same roof.
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So basically Elop was a Trojan horse and he's now back at Microsoft, most likely to replace Ballmer.
Looks that way.
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I believe there are already licensing deals in place for all of those patents so nothing is really going to change for the greater landscape.
The odds that *all* patents are parts of licensing deals are pretty slim.
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But maybe Microsoft will bolster Bing with Navteq maps now. A better mapping client would bring Bing closer to competing with Google.
Maps are not part of the deal.
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Since Apple and Microsoft have a patent agreement, then Apple can use Nokia technology patents, right?
Is that what the agreement is about - both parties can use each other's technology liberally?
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Originally Posted by nikilok
Everybody now realize the power of being vertically integrated.
That is own the hardware team and the software team right under the same roof.
The Apple effect, or rather the iPhone effect, is still reverberating.
On the other hand, Nintendo, another software-hardware-in-the-same-house company, is struggling.
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Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton
Not more than you're likely to see a "Microsoft Nokia Xbox One, Zune, or KIN."
But will we see Microsoft Lumia, or will it remain Nokia Lumia?
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Originally Posted by StruckPaper
The Apple effect, or rather the iPhone effect, is still reverberating.
On the other hand, Nintendo, another software-hardware-in-the-same-house company, is struggling.
Nintendo is struggling because there hardware / software tech is prolly old school. They refused to move into the new age software / hardware aeon we are now in.
Why would people go with Nintendo when Play Stations and Xbox's give more superior entertainment to the end user
Hence being vertically integrated with cutting edge tech + being innovative is what it takes to be the leader
So this won't happen in 300 years?!
Apple should buy "Nokia Here" mapping and location services business if possible and perhaps the phone patents a.
Apple should buy the Nokia Here" mapping and location services business which is big in automobiles today. This is an opportunity to have it's own maps data and push iOS in cars in a big way.
Since Microsoft is only licensing the patents from Nokia, Apple may wish to buy them if the technologies make sense long term.
Looks like HP and Blackberry are screwed. HP is screwed because Microsoft probably will buy Dell.
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Originally Posted by dreyfus2
Not only "not strictly" in financial trouble, not in financial trouble at all - the phone business was even able to balance the (then) loss-making NSN and the always loss-making maps. They were even increasing sales then (not market share though).
Looking at 2Q, a good quarter for NSN was almost able to compensate for the losses in devices and maps (combined with MS's $250m quarterly injection and marketing support) after sinking from being smart phone vendor number 1 to number 9 in less than two years.
Elop turned the (always profitable) feature phone business into mayhem and, bottom line (after overheads and expenses) lost an average of 14% on every phone (smart or not) sold. Several industry experts have called it the worst destruction of any company ever, or even "New Coke", "Deepwater Horizon" and the "Edsel" combined... Elop achieved only one thing: making Nokia cheap enough for MS.
Don't quote Tomi, it only makes you look silly.
"Nokia’s management was doing a very good job of destroying its value long before he arrived." - Michael Mace
http://mobileopportunity.blogspot.fi/2013/09/microsoft-nokia-now-were-all-like-apple.html