Microsoft to buy Nokia's cell phone business for $7.2B, will license patents and services

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  • Reply 41 of 109
    richlrichl Posts: 2,213member
    hawkse wrote: »
    Does this mean we can expect a Nokia Surface now? (Or, more likely, the "Microsoft Nokia Surface Windows RT" given the catchy names Microsoft usually comes up with.)

    Nokia has a Windows RT tablet in development. It was shown off last week and looks very similar to the Lumia range of phones.
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  • Reply 42 of 109
    drblankdrblank Posts: 3,386member

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    Originally Posted by whatisgoingon View Post




    Same as before....nobody.



    I think maybe HP or Dell might be interested in Blackberry, there's always a sucker out there for something.  HP was dumb enough to buy Palm.  

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  • Reply 43 of 109
    drblankdrblank Posts: 3,386member

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    Originally Posted by RichL View Post





    Nokia has a Windows RT tablet in development. It was shown off last week and looks very similar to the Lumia range of phones.


    What's it called?  The Windows RT ZOOM tablet?   Does it have a kickstand that goes click? How about a 41 MP camera?

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  • Reply 44 of 109

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    After Apple's smart phone success story Google buys failed Motorola and now Microsoft follows suit with another failed phone maker.  Smells like success is just around the corner!  


     


    Now which way are those deck chairs suppose to face?  



     


    And in other news the market share of WP in places like Germany is 9% and going up, and Apple is 11% and going down...

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  • Reply 45 of 109

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    Nokia was not at all in financial trouble before Elop took over. This was a textbook destruction of a viable company. If Nokia would have (and I am not an Android fan at all) bet on Android, then Samsung would be in trouble.


     


    Nokia's engineers and distribution network are easily worth $7.2bn, if you have the products to push... Luckily, MS hasn't.



     


    Not strictly in financial trouble, but coasting on past successes. The momentum was running out and they really started to slide about when he started. There was nothing he could do except stop them crashing. And looking at the 2Q results they were starting to level out.

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  • Reply 46 of 109
    dreyfus2dreyfus2 Posts: 1,072member

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    And in other news the market share of WP in places like Germany is 9% and going up, and Apple is 11% and going down...



     


    And with Nokia selling a new and unlocked WP8 phone for 150 EUR at a loss, and Apple selling a 12 months old device for 680 EUR... this is news?


     


    What is your suggestion for Apple? Selling itself to MS for $7.2bn after following the same strategy? Cook may not be Jobs, but at least he isn't working for Ballmer.

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    Originally Posted by drblank View Post


    What's it called?  The Windows RT ZOOM tablet?   Does it have a kickstand that goes click? How about a 41 MP camera?



    Now that's just it. The Nokia hardware is usually very, very nice. If Microsoft could get their act together to tie into the larger ecosystem of software for the enterprise, they'd have a success on their hands. They'd need to be fast, though, since there are ways of using iPads in an enterprise with an MS backend too - it just involves more non-MS software. Interesting development, nonetheless.

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  • Reply 49 of 109
    asciiascii Posts: 5,936member


    This is why you can't write MS off. They have the cash to make big moves.

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    dreyfus2dreyfus2 Posts: 1,072member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jodyfanning View Post


     


    Not strictly in financial trouble, but coasting on past successes. The momentum was running out and they really started to slide about when he started. There was nothing he could do except stop them crashing. And looking at the 2Q results they were starting to level out.



     


    Not only "not strictly" in financial trouble, not in financial trouble at all - the phone business was even able to balance the (then) loss-making NSN and the always loss-making maps. They were even increasing sales then (not market share though).


     


    Looking at 2Q, a good quarter for NSN was almost able to compensate for the losses in devices and maps (combined with MS's $250m quarterly injection and marketing support) after sinking from being smart phone vendor number 1 to number 9 in less than two years.


     


    Elop turned the (always profitable) feature phone business into mayhem and, bottom line (after overheads and expenses) lost an average of 14% on every phone (smart or not) sold. Several industry experts have called it the worst destruction of any company ever, or even "New Coke", "Deepwater Horizon" and the "Edsel" combined... Elop achieved only one thing: making Nokia cheap enough for MS.

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  • Reply 51 of 109


    On the day Google acquired Moto only people have expected that MS would buy Nokia. 


    No surprise.

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  • Reply 52 of 109


    Everybody now realize the power of being vertically integrated.


    That is own the hardware team and the software team right under the same roof.

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  • Reply 53 of 109

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    Originally Posted by Rogifan View Post



    So basically Elop was a Trojan horse and he's now back at Microsoft, most likely to replace Ballmer.


    Looks that way.


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    Originally Posted by blackbook View Post





    I believe there are already licensing deals in place for all of those patents so nothing is really going to change for the greater landscape.

     


    The odds that *all* patents are parts of licensing deals are pretty slim. 


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    But maybe Microsoft will bolster Bing with Navteq maps now. A better mapping client would bring Bing closer to competing with Google.


     


    Maps are not part of the deal.


     



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    Originally Posted by drblank View Post


    Since Apple and Microsoft have a patent agreement, then Apple can use Nokia technology patents, right?



    Is that what the agreement is about - both parties can use each other's technology liberally? 

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  • Reply 54 of 109

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    Everybody now realize the power of being vertically integrated.


    That is own the hardware team and the software team right under the same roof.



    The Apple effect, or rather the iPhone effect, is still reverberating.


     


    On the other hand, Nintendo, another software-hardware-in-the-same-house company, is struggling.

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  • Reply 55 of 109

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    Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton View Post





    Not more than you're likely to see a "Microsoft Nokia Xbox One, Zune, or KIN."


    But will we see Microsoft Lumia, or will it remain Nokia Lumia?

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  • Reply 56 of 109

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    Originally Posted by StruckPaper View Post


    The Apple effect, or rather the iPhone effect, is still reverberating.


     


    On the other hand, Nintendo, another software-hardware-in-the-same-house company, is struggling.



     


    Nintendo is struggling because there hardware / software tech is prolly old school. They refused to move into the new age software / hardware aeon we are now in.


    Why would people go with Nintendo when Play Stations and Xbox's give more superior entertainment to the end user :).


     


    Hence being vertically integrated with cutting edge tech + being innovative is what it takes to be the leader :)

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  • Reply 57 of 109
    nasseraenasserae Posts: 3,167member


    So this won't happen in 300 years?!


     


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  • Reply 58 of 109



    Apple should buy "Nokia Here" mapping and location services business if possible and perhaps the phone patents a.





     


    Apple should buy the Nokia Here" mapping and location services business which is big in automobiles today.  This is an opportunity to have it's own maps data and push iOS in cars in a big way.



    Since Microsoft is only licensing the patents from Nokia, Apple may wish to buy them if the technologies make sense long term.

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  • Reply 59 of 109


    Looks like HP and Blackberry are screwed.  HP is screwed because Microsoft probably will buy Dell.

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  • Reply 60 of 109

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    Originally Posted by dreyfus2 View Post


     


    Not only "not strictly" in financial trouble, not in financial trouble at all - the phone business was even able to balance the (then) loss-making NSN and the always loss-making maps. They were even increasing sales then (not market share though).


     


    Looking at 2Q, a good quarter for NSN was almost able to compensate for the losses in devices and maps (combined with MS's $250m quarterly injection and marketing support) after sinking from being smart phone vendor number 1 to number 9 in less than two years.


     


    Elop turned the (always profitable) feature phone business into mayhem and, bottom line (after overheads and expenses) lost an average of 14% on every phone (smart or not) sold. Several industry experts have called it the worst destruction of any company ever, or even "New Coke", "Deepwater Horizon" and the "Edsel" combined... Elop achieved only one thing: making Nokia cheap enough for MS.



     


    Don't quote Tomi, it only makes you look silly.


     


    "Nokia’s management was doing a very good job of destroying its value long before he arrived." - Michael Mace


    http://mobileopportunity.blogspot.fi/2013/09/microsoft-nokia-now-were-all-like-apple.html

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