Not to be outdone by Apple's iPhone 5s, Samsung pledges 64-bit chips in next Galaxy phones

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  • Reply 61 of 231

    Google is quickly working on 64bit Coffee Crisp

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  • Reply 62 of 231
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    Originally Posted by Drunkzombie View Post



    Why wouldn't the next gen of iPads have the 64 bit chip?

     

    They may, they may not.  We don't know yet. 

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  • Reply 63 of 231
    Anything Apple can do, Samsung can do it better by copying and sell it for less. They've been doing that for years and beating the hell out of rivals with that business model. Samsung will likely prove beyond a doubt it can do anything better than Apple can. Samsung is the best product cloner company in the world. Apple doesn't have any plan to go up against a company like that.

    Samsung has a huge staff of employees to mass produce things that would take Apple a long time to accomplish. Samsung can basically change direction on a dime with multiple product roadmaps. Samsung doesn't waste a lot of time with long-range product development. They see something successful, they copy it, BOOM, it's done. Samsung doesn't focus on one product at a time and uses a shotgun attack. Samsung may have to use a lot more resources but it usually pays off because it overwhelms rivals and they're beaten into submission.

    Apple already got a taste of Samsung's skills last year and it just plain sucked the value out of Apple. Apple got caught with it's pants down. Samsung smartphone sales went through the roof while iPhone sales went into the toilet.
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  • Reply 64 of 231
    Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post

    They may, they may not.  We don't know yet. 


     

    Next iPad gets A7X. Obviously it's 64-bit.

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  • Reply 65 of 231
    tbelltbell Posts: 3,146member
    yourbuddy wrote: »
    A couple of things... 

    First, don't bash Samsung for making junk. Why? The A7 is made by Samung, at least in part if not entirely: [URL=http:/2013/07/31/apples-upcoming-a7-iphone-chip-will-have-samsung-components-code-inside-ios-7-reveals/]http://************/2013/07/31/apples-upcoming-a7-iphone-chip-will-have-samsung-components-code-inside-ios-7-reveals/[/URL]

    Second, 64 bit is part of a roadmap for the future, with almost no benefit today. This is true for both Samsung and Apple, but Samsung has reached the critical limit before Apple. That's because their current phones ship with 3GB RAM, almost the 4GB limit. iPhone 5s ships with only 2GB RAM (iPhone 5 has 1GB). Read this: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57602372-94/the-real-reasons-apples-64-bit-a7-chip-makes-sense/

    Third, benchmarks show that A7 is twice as fast as A6, which puts it around the same performance as today's Galaxy S4: http://www.primatelabs.com/blog/2013/03/samsung-galaxy-s-4-benchmarks/

    People are mostly bashing Samsung for copying others. Apple designed its own processor. Samsung is merely acting as a Foundry whereby Apple is hiring it to use its manufacturing facilities to build the chip. This by the way makes it easier for Samsung to borrow Apple's ideas, but Apple would lose money if it were to build its own chip fabricating plant because unlike with Samsung Apple would not build chips for a variety of companies.
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  • Reply 66 of 231
    Didn't they stop with this immitating business already? Hahaha, bunch of shameless goons.
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  • Reply 67 of 231
    How utterly Microsoft of them...
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  • Reply 68 of 231
    tbelltbell Posts: 3,146member
    Anything Apple can do, Samsung can do it better by copying and sell it for less. They've been doing that for years and beating the hell out of rivals with that business model. Samsung will likely prove beyond a doubt it can do anything better than Apple can. Samsung is the best product cloner company in the world. Apple doesn't have any plan to go up against a company like that.

    Samsung has a huge staff of employees to mass produce things that would take Apple a long time to accomplish. Samsung can basically change direction on a dime with multiple product roadmaps. Samsung doesn't waste a lot of time with long-range product development. They see something successful, they copy it, BOOM, it's done. Samsung doesn't focus on one product at a time and uses a shotgun attack. Samsung may have to use a lot more resources but it usually pays off because it overwhelms rivals and they're beaten into submission.

    Apple already got a taste of Samsung's skills last year and it just plain sucked the value out of Apple. Apple got caught with it's pants down. Samsung smartphone sales went through the roof while iPhone sales went into the toilet.

    You might be right, but when nobody is left to copy, consumers will be left with a bunch of crappy products. I told everybody in my house they'd be disowned if ever a Samsung product makes it into my home.
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  • Reply 69 of 231
    Now the rumor makes sense that both the new iPad and the new mini will get the A7 chip. Both will be 64 bit. Both will have Retina displays, and both will have a similar form factor. The old mini will likely stick around for awhile to be replaced by mini "c" in the spring as has also been reported.
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  • Reply 70 of 231
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    Samsung should be renamed Monkey See.

    Aw, you're being too harsh: I'd give them credit for Monkey Do too.

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  • Reply 71 of 231
    "The CPU includes over a billion processor"

    Wow. Sounds technical.
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  • Reply 72 of 231
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    Originally Posted by YourBuddy View Post

     

    A couple of things... 

     

    First, don't bash Samsung for making junk. Why? The A7 is made by Samung, at least in part if not entirely: http://************/2013/07/31/apples-upcoming-a7-iphone-chip-will-have-samsung-components-code-inside-ios-7-reveals/

     

    Second, 64 bit is part of a roadmap for the future, with almost no benefit today. This is true for both Samsung and Apple, but Samsung has reached the critical limit before Apple. That's because their current phones ship with 3GB RAM, almost the 4GB limit. iPhone 5s ships with only 2GB RAM (iPhone 5 has 1GB). Read this: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57602372-94/the-real-reasons-apples-64-bit-a7-chip-makes-sense/

     

    Third, benchmarks show that A7 is twice as fast as A6, which puts it around the same performance as today's Galaxy S4: http://www.primatelabs.com/blog/2013/03/samsung-galaxy-s-4-benchmarks/


     

    First, Samsung is one of the mfg Apple uses for producing their proprietary ARM custom chip, beside Apple bought few years ago the R&D teams reponsible for Samsung ARM development, ever since Samsung are using generic and wildly available ARM + GPU design.

     

    Second,  there is a lot more to go with 64bit computing than merely addressing over 4GB of RAM, the terms itself meaning the length of the registers.  Having registers twice as big and twice the numbers as the previous generation, the A7 is a desktop class beast for it's 1 watt power envelope.  Going 64 bits was the best way to push further the ARM platform and eventually every device will be 64 bit.  Apple does it right to be an early adopter.

     

    Third, too bad Android only wins synthetic benchmark, this picture doesn't translate in real life application like browsing and games. This is were you realize that apps won't necessary benefit from adding more core to a CPU

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  • Reply 73 of 231
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    Originally Posted by makeintosh View Post

     

    Monkey see...monkey do.  There's a surprise.


    Really morons. By your logic since samsung beat apple out with a dual core processor apple obviously copied right?

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  • Reply 74 of 231

    Samsung co-CEO Shin Jong-kyun's pep up speech to his team:

     

    Step#1: Ctrl C

    Step#2: Ctrl V

    Step#3: logo change

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  • Reply 75 of 231
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    Originally Posted by ChiA View Post

     

    Go to Russia and dare to complain like you're complaining now.

    They'll spy on you as much as the NSA and personally teach you a whole new meaning to "backdoor access".

     

    Russian inmate's beating puts spotlight on police brutality


     an unemployed man of 52, died in March after being beaten by police officers and sodomized with a champagne bottle during questioning over a minor offence.




    I agree that Russia's a pretty brutal place on a lot of fronts, but I wouldn't get too uppity: just do a search for 'Abner Louima.'

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  • Reply 76 of 231
    Samsung is a copier. It is a follower.

    Thus, Samsung is going to copy Apple's lead to create 64-big processors.

    The problem is Samsung has to follow Google. It has to wait until Google has a 64-big version of Android.

    Samsung is forever the follower and copier, not the leader.

    To be a leader, Samsung will have to develop its own fork of Android. But it is scared to since this means it will have to also create its own mapping app and other cloud services.
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  • Reply 77 of 231
    res08hao wrote: »
    There is NOTHING Koreans won't copy. Samsung should be renamed Monkey See.

    LOL! Spot on!
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  • Reply 78 of 231
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    Originally Posted by Constable Odo View Post



    Anything Apple can do, Samsung can do it better by copying and sell it for less. They've been doing that for years and beating the hell out of rivals with that business model. Samsung will likely prove beyond a doubt it can do anything better than Apple can. Samsung is the best product cloner company in the world. Apple doesn't have any plan to go up against a company like that.



    Samsung has a huge staff of employees to mass produce things that would take Apple a long time to accomplish. Samsung can basically change direction on a dime with multiple product roadmaps. Samsung doesn't waste a lot of time with long-range product development. They see something successful, they copy it, BOOM, it's done. Samsung doesn't focus on one product at a time and uses a shotgun attack. Samsung may have to use a lot more resources but it usually pays off because it overwhelms rivals and they're beaten into submission.



    Apple already got a taste of Samsung's skills last year and it just plain sucked the value out of Apple. Apple got caught with it's pants down. Samsung smartphone sales went through the roof while iPhone sales went into the toilet.

     

    One thing wrong with your view... Samsung doesnt do software, which is 50% of the user experience. 

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  • Reply 79 of 231
    scottt732 wrote: »
    Keep in mind that since most Android apps are built entirely in Java, which runs on top of the Java Virtual Machine, all of these Android apps will run in 64-bit mode once the JVM is ported to run in 64-bit mode. They don't need to be rebuilt/resubmitted to the Play store. With Apple, most apps are compiled to native binaries (no VM layer). While this has performance benefits, it's going to be a pain in the ass for developers to migrate from 32 to 64-bit--significantly harder than it will be for Android developers. This is a step that Apple needed to take first. Remember their growing pains around the switch of OSX to 64-bit? Universal binaries vs. 32-bit binaries? Same problem they're trying to solve here.

    To your first point I bolded, didn't the infinity blade developer say it took TWO HOURS to go from 32-bit to 64-bit due to the tools Apple provided? That same toolkit available to all developers? Can't imagine moving twitter or Instagram or with friends games is going to be that big of a deal. Could be wrong, who knows.

    The second bolded part? I've been using Apple computers since 1983 at least. I remember the 32>64 transition. Didn't notice many pain points at all.
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  • Reply 80 of 231
    drblankdrblank Posts: 3,386member
    Well, by Samscum's release time frame, that's next May/June. And? BUT, is Android going to be 64 bit? If so, they had better be able to ship with a 64 bit OS, or are they going to ship with a 64 bit processor and still run 32 bit? It takes Samsung 6 months or so to modify Google's release before they can release theirs. SO, either Google's Kit Kat is 64 bit, or Google has to get off their asses with another release OR Samsung won't have their 64 bit version by May/June.

    Scamscum sounds like damage control.
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