My daughter is already asking for an iPhone 5C, and she has a brand spanking new iPhone 5 from a few months ago. She showed no interest in the 5S model.
... and that is what we were saying the other day when somebody (rhetorically, I think) asked who was being targeted by Apple with the 5C.
The consensus: the main group being, young females.
... and that is what we were saying the other day when somebody (rhetorically, I think) asked who was being targeted by Apple with the 5C.
The consensus: the main group being, young females.
If the 5C had 5S internals and priced the same, I'd get the 5C, yeah probably the least colorful white one, but I think colors, you know, COLORS, appeal to everyone, not just girls.
If the 5C had 5S internals and priced the same, I'd get the 5C, yeah probably the least colorful white one, but I think colors, you know, COLORS, appeal to everyone, not just girls.
Colors appeal to everyone, but you'd pick the white one
If the 5C had 5S internals and priced the same, I'd get the 5C, yeah probably the least colorful white one, but I think colors, you know, COLORS, appeal to everyone, not just girls.
I don't seem to recall saying that the colors would only appeal to girls.
Making the IPhone 5 case was expensive and time consuming. The same equipment is used to make the iPhone 5s case. Had Apple kept the iPhone 5 in production continuing to offer it would cause production problems because Apple would have to use the same equipment to make both phones cases. This move was about freeing up resources for the 5s while bringing down he cost and improving the appeal of the 5.
That is all fine and understandable, and I don't have anything against plastic.
I do agree with some other posters, though, that Apple should have made 5c a bit cheaper than what iPhone 5 would be now. Since Apple's practice of keeping last year's iPhone on the market for $100 less is well known, it might look a bit greedy to introduce new phone, perceived cheaper to make, for the price more premium looking iP5 would hold otherwise.
End of the day, extra cost on bigger battery and better camera might even nullify savings on plastic case, making iP5c equally expensive to make as iP5... but what really happens and how it is being perceived isn't always the same thing, unfortunately. Maybe Apple should have put some focus on those facts in their presentation - no harm in justifying?
We will see if iPhone5C is actually better. My wife still uses the iPhone 4. Just yesterday, in a part of the state where AT&T has meager coverage, she had 4-5 bars of signal, and my iPhone 5 had "no service". Is it a problem with the iPhone 5 or MY iPhone 5?
With a plastic case, might it be that the antenna will be substantially more effective? That alone would make the 5C substantially better, and worth the upgrade.
I'm sure my wife is in the same boat as many people. She has a iPhone 4 and is ready for an upgrade. She's ready to get the latest iPhone without paying an arm and a leg. An extra $100 for "faster" and a fingerprint reader is, for her, a lot of money. She'd rather pay $100 for twice the storage of her current 16 GB phone. So we pre-ordered the blue 32 GB one. Frankly if the price were $49 for 16 and $149 for 32, she might have stuck with 16, costing Apple $150. (Actually we could have gotten the 32 anyway, but she would have felt like she was paying 3 times the price for just twice the storage.)
I expect Apple will sell of ton of these at the current prices and then knock $50 off for some promotion at some point. I think they know what they are doing.
We will see if iPhone5C is actually better. My wife still uses the iPhone 4. Just yesterday, in a part of the state where AT&T has meager coverage, she had 4-5 bars of signal, and my iPhone 5 had "no service". Is it a problem with the iPhone 5 or MY iPhone 5?
With a plastic case, might it be that the antenna will be substantially more effective? That alone would make the 5C substantially better, and worth the upgrade.
That's pretty funny, actually... that the infamous antennagate phone, the iP4 had better signal strength. :-)
Colors appeal to everyone, but you'd pick the white one
But I'd pick the pink case, WHATS IT TO YA?!
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I don't seem to recall saying that the colors would only appeal to girls.
You said this : The consensus: the main group being, young females.
The reason I disagreed was the yellow model sold out first, and I see a lot of young guys with yellow, orange, light green cars, sure cars are not phones, the appeal is different, still, I think 5c is targeted at young people in general, and not just girls, and really females of all ages isn't it, except those who want to look serious, those would choose muted colors, guys have this thing with being macho, not wanting to look effeminate (feeeegs). Older guys definitely will reject the color, but I don't think young guys care, some of them, if you look at their fashion, and if you choose a phone the girls like, hey, that's a conversation starter right there. Yea, you're not all that wrong, but still off man. (as if I'm totally right <- you know lets just do that).
That is all fine and understandable, and I don't have anything against plastic.
I do agree with some other posters, though, that Apple should have made 5c a bit cheaper than what iPhone 5 would be now. Since Apple's practice of keeping last year's iPhone on the market for $100 less is well known, it might look a bit greedy to introduce new phone, perceived cheaper to make, for the price more premium looking iP5 would hold otherwise.
End of the day, extra cost on bigger battery and better camera might even nullify savings on plastic case, making iP5c equally expensive to make as iP5... but what really happens and how it is being perceived isn't always the same thing, unfortunately. Maybe Apple should have put some focus on those facts in their presentation - no harm in justifying?
I don't know how the cost of the 5C or 5S is computed. It seems people look at an inventory of the separate parts and then conclude the consumer is getting gouged. Perhaps looking at marginal cost, for sure. But I have not seen (perhaps I've missed it) estimates of cost based upon recovering design, building new robotics for manufacturing the phones, and a number of other capital expenses which Apple must recover.
It really rubs me the wrong way when people describe the iPhone 5C as a "new" phone. IT'S NOT!!! It has the exact same internals as an iPhone 5 (with the exception of a slightly larger battery and slightly better front camera). All they did was put it into a plastic case instead of a metal case. The price is exactly the same as the 5 would have been had Apple continued to offer it. The only difference is now Apple will definitely be making more money per handset since the casing material (and likely the manufacturing process) is much cheaper. The consumer gets a phone that does exactly nothing better than the iPhone 5 did at the same price. As one of the earlier commenters said, C stands for "CHEAP." It's not cheap in the sense that it costs less, it's cheap in that Apple is giving you a worse phone for the same price you would have paid for the iPhone 5.
Different cell service radio chip as well. That's a better "phone".
We will see if iPhone5C is actually better. My wife still uses the iPhone 4. Just yesterday, in a part of the state where AT&T has meager coverage, she had 4-5 bars of signal, and my iPhone 5 had "no service". Is it a problem with the iPhone 5 or MY iPhone 5?
With a plastic case, might it be that the antenna will be substantially more effective? That alone would make the 5C substantially better, and worth the upgrade.
Did you have your metal shell 5 in a case? Some cases interfere with reception.
... Apple has kept last year's and two years previous' iPhone in the lineup at the same working price points since at least the iPhone 4 launch. It works. Very well. This year, its even better, since the 5C is every bit a 5, but better...In several ways. And in one big meaningful way...colors. This is a massive, undeniable selling point. ...
... significance of how many iPhone 4S Apple sold in the last 12 months. Going forward over the next 12 months, the same market that applied to that price point will be looking at the iPhone 5C as their choice. Massive upgrade to market segment, iPhone 4S > to > iPhone 5C.
Yes, I expect the 5C will do quite well as currently priced. Still, at a personal level I am disappointed it wasn't introduced at a lower price point. That will teach me to let analyst predictions set my expectations.
If they'd priced it just $50 less they'd be hitting the sweet spot.
As it is they're simply profiteering, guaranteed they'll be making more per phone on the 5C then if they'd kept the iPhone 5.
It's a great phone and they will sell millions, no questions there.
Just a shame that they could not resist squeezing that little bit extra blood out of the stone.
$50 less? Really?—that’s the “sweet spot”? What’s $50 compared to what we shell out to the service providers?!?My wife and I have iPhones. We have the minimum possible plan—the only one available in our area. With the many taxes and fees courtesy of our appalling government, our bill is $187.93 per month or a staggering $2255.16 a year—the price of a brand new 15" MacBook Pro with Retina display—but, after using a MBP for a year, you can sell it for nearly what you paid. Like a BWMs and Mercedes cars, Apple products cost less to own than crappy products. When did everyone forget that stuff only costs what you pay minus what you get when you sell it?
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My daughter is already asking for an iPhone 5C, and she has a brand spanking new iPhone 5 from a few months ago. She showed no interest in the 5S model.
... and that is what we were saying the other day when somebody (rhetorically, I think) asked who was being targeted by Apple with the 5C.
The consensus: the main group being, young females.
So, next year the iPhone 5S will become plastic, but what designation will it get? iPhone 6C, or something else?
I know, I know it's too soon....
I was wondering that the other day. We were trying to figure out the designation for the 5C replacement and what specs it would have.
Now that Apple has changed the lineup, it looks a tad confusing for the introduction in 2014.
As someone else mentioned... we'll just have to wait and see how Apple handles it.
Meanwhile... I'm waiting for the 3rd week of January to see then numbers for the holiday quarter.
... and that is what we were saying the other day when somebody (rhetorically, I think) asked who was being targeted by Apple with the 5C.
The consensus: the main group being, young females.
If the 5C had 5S internals and priced the same, I'd get the 5C, yeah probably the least colorful white one, but I think colors, you know, COLORS, appeal to everyone, not just girls.
360 days to go!
If the 5C had 5S internals and priced the same, I'd get the 5C, yeah probably the least colorful white one, but I think colors, you know, COLORS, appeal to everyone, not just girls.
Colors appeal to everyone, but you'd pick the white one
Colors appeal to everyone, but you'd pick the white one
We talked about that as well. That the white model [might] have the widest appeal.
If the 5C had 5S internals and priced the same, I'd get the 5C, yeah probably the least colorful white one, but I think colors, you know, COLORS, appeal to everyone, not just girls.
I don't seem to recall saying that the colors would only appeal to girls.
That is all fine and understandable, and I don't have anything against plastic.
I do agree with some other posters, though, that Apple should have made 5c a bit cheaper than what iPhone 5 would be now. Since Apple's practice of keeping last year's iPhone on the market for $100 less is well known, it might look a bit greedy to introduce new phone, perceived cheaper to make, for the price more premium looking iP5 would hold otherwise.
End of the day, extra cost on bigger battery and better camera might even nullify savings on plastic case, making iP5c equally expensive to make as iP5... but what really happens and how it is being perceived isn't always the same thing, unfortunately. Maybe Apple should have put some focus on those facts in their presentation - no harm in justifying?
Wow, did not know that mattered to Android fans.
With a plastic case, might it be that the antenna will be substantially more effective? That alone would make the 5C substantially better, and worth the upgrade.
I'm sure my wife is in the same boat as many people. She has a iPhone 4 and is ready for an upgrade. She's ready to get the latest iPhone without paying an arm and a leg. An extra $100 for "faster" and a fingerprint reader is, for her, a lot of money. She'd rather pay $100 for twice the storage of her current 16 GB phone. So we pre-ordered the blue 32 GB one. Frankly if the price were $49 for 16 and $149 for 32, she might have stuck with 16, costing Apple $150. (Actually we could have gotten the 32 anyway, but she would have felt like she was paying 3 times the price for just twice the storage.)
I expect Apple will sell of ton of these at the current prices and then knock $50 off for some promotion at some point. I think they know what they are doing.
We will see if iPhone5C is actually better. My wife still uses the iPhone 4. Just yesterday, in a part of the state where AT&T has meager coverage, she had 4-5 bars of signal, and my iPhone 5 had "no service". Is it a problem with the iPhone 5 or MY iPhone 5?
With a plastic case, might it be that the antenna will be substantially more effective? That alone would make the 5C substantially better, and worth the upgrade.
That's pretty funny, actually... that the infamous antennagate phone, the iP4 had better signal strength. :-)
Colors appeal to everyone, but you'd pick the white one
But I'd pick the pink case, WHATS IT TO YA?!
I don't seem to recall saying that the colors would only appeal to girls.
You said this : The consensus: the main group being, young females.
The reason I disagreed was the yellow model sold out first, and I see a lot of young guys with yellow, orange, light green cars, sure cars are not phones, the appeal is different, still, I think 5c is targeted at young people in general, and not just girls, and really females of all ages isn't it, except those who want to look serious, those would choose muted colors, guys have this thing with being macho, not wanting to look effeminate (feeeegs). Older guys definitely will reject the color, but I don't think young guys care, some of them, if you look at their fashion, and if you choose a phone the girls like, hey, that's a conversation starter right there. Yea, you're not all that wrong, but still off man. (as if I'm totally right <- you know lets just do that).
That is all fine and understandable, and I don't have anything against plastic.
I do agree with some other posters, though, that Apple should have made 5c a bit cheaper than what iPhone 5 would be now. Since Apple's practice of keeping last year's iPhone on the market for $100 less is well known, it might look a bit greedy to introduce new phone, perceived cheaper to make, for the price more premium looking iP5 would hold otherwise.
End of the day, extra cost on bigger battery and better camera might even nullify savings on plastic case, making iP5c equally expensive to make as iP5... but what really happens and how it is being perceived isn't always the same thing, unfortunately. Maybe Apple should have put some focus on those facts in their presentation - no harm in justifying?
I don't know how the cost of the 5C or 5S is computed. It seems people look at an inventory of the separate parts and then conclude the consumer is getting gouged. Perhaps looking at marginal cost, for sure. But I have not seen (perhaps I've missed it) estimates of cost based upon recovering design, building new robotics for manufacturing the phones, and a number of other capital expenses which Apple must recover.
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Just one of the many faces of Tekstud (a troll among trolls).
That's racist
Originally Posted by pmz
... Apple has kept last year's and two years previous' iPhone in the lineup at the same working price points since at least the iPhone 4 launch. It works. Very well. This year, its even better, since the 5C is every bit a 5, but better...In several ways. And in one big meaningful way...colors. This is a massive, undeniable selling point. ...
... significance of how many iPhone 4S Apple sold in the last 12 months. Going forward over the next 12 months, the same market that applied to that price point will be looking at the iPhone 5C as their choice. Massive upgrade to market segment, iPhone 4S > to > iPhone 5C.
Yes, I expect the 5C will do quite well as currently priced. Still, at a personal level I am disappointed it wasn't introduced at a lower price point. That will teach me to let analyst predictions set my expectations.
If they'd priced it just $50 less they'd be hitting the sweet spot.
As it is they're simply profiteering, guaranteed they'll be making more per phone on the 5C then if they'd kept the iPhone 5.
It's a great phone and they will sell millions, no questions there.
Just a shame that they could not resist squeezing that little bit extra blood out of the stone.
$50 less? Really?—that’s the “sweet spot”? What’s $50 compared to what we shell out to the service providers?!? My wife and I have iPhones. We have the minimum possible plan—the only one available in our area. With the many taxes and fees courtesy of our appalling government, our bill is $187.93 per month or a staggering $2255.16 a year—the price of a brand new 15" MacBook Pro with Retina display—but, after using a MBP for a year, you can sell it for nearly what you paid. Like a BWMs and Mercedes cars, Apple products cost less to own than crappy products. When did everyone forget that stuff only costs what you pay minus what you get when you sell it?