Samsung confirmed to be manufacturer of Apple's new A7 chip in iPhone 5s

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  • Reply 61 of 124

    I'm waiting for the day when "Corrections" will correct his outlandish articles, especially when made to look as foolish as he is by this news.

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  • Reply 62 of 124
    Originally Posted by earthzero View Post

    Android is already capable of expanding to 64-bit because it is just another branch of the Linux operating system family.


     

    Explains why they didn’t even say anything about starting to do that until Apple had already done so.

     

    ARM isn't the only architecture that Android is capable of running on and running pretty well...



     

    “Pretty well” is relative for Android.

     
    The notion that Android will have to play catch-up in some way to be 64-bit capable is just silly.

     

    Number of 64-bit devices running Android? Number of devices with 64-bit Android software?

     
    Apple has put a 64-bit ARM chip in this generation of iPhone.  The A7 is a faster chip than what ran the previous generation.  It is also still shackled to the same 1GB of RAM that last years iPhone 5 had. Unfortunately, this generation of the iPhone will never see the full fruits of the benefits that 64-bit architecture brings to the table...

     


     

    Thanks for stating you know nothing about 64-bit.

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  • Reply 63 of 124
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    Explains why they didn’t even say anything about starting to do that until Apple had already done so.

     


     

    Why do they have to announce it for you?  The transition has been a long time coming and every company has been planning for it.  Google, Intel, Samsung, Nvidia, and the rest didn't see the iPhone 5S keynote and think, "Boy, I guess we better start working on 64-bit now."  Apple is first to market with 64-bit.  The rest are coming.

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  • Reply 64 of 124
    "Oops." -- DED
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  • Reply 65 of 124
    Since the Apple SOC is custom, aside from the licensed parts, samsung better be careful on what they copy. Proving samsung's potential SOC theft might be easier to prove then what Apple has had to deal with in the past.
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  • Reply 66 of 124
    jungmarkjungmark Posts: 6,928member
    earthzero wrote: »
    The amount of misinformation and plain willful ignorance floating around in this thread is absolutely amazing to me.

    http://liliputing.com/2013/09/android-ready-64-bit-processing.html

    As stated in the article about Intel's Silvermont (or Bay-Trail) platform, Android is already capable of expanding to 64-bit because it is just another branch of the Linux operating system family.   ArsTechnica recently pointed out that Google and Samsung have become the biggest code contributors to the Linux platform over the last few years.  The two companies combined contributed over 4,300 line of code to the Linux kernel recently (for example ARM only contributed a bit over 600).  The only thing holding Android back from 64 bit apps is 64 bit hardware to run it on.  Intel brings this to the table right away and it was announced BEFORE the A7 chip at Apple's big event.  ARM isn't the only architecture that Android is capable of running on and running pretty well... Android already runs on previously existing Intel and AMD x64 capable chipsets and platforms that currently run 64-bit Windows and Mac OS.  The notion that Android will have to play catch-up in some way to be 64-bit capable is just silly.

    Apple has put a 64-bit ARM chip in this generation of iPhone.  The A7 is a faster chip than what ran the previous generation.  It is also still shackled to the same 1GB of RAM that last year's iPhone 5 had. That is reality. Unfortunately, this generation of the iPhone will never see the full fruits of the benefits that 64-bit architecture brings to the table...

    And all generations of Android will never use 64 bit. I think it's funny that other vendors have been allegedly working on better tech prior to Apple but Apple releases it first.
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  • Reply 67 of 124
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by earthzero View Post

     

    Apple has put a 64-bit ARM chip in this generation of iPhone.  The A7 is a faster chip than what ran the previous generation.  It is also still shackled to the same 1GB of RAM that last year's iPhone 5 had. That is reality. Unfortunately, this generation of the iPhone will never see the full fruits of the benefits that 64-bit architecture brings to the table...


    I think shackled is the wrong term to use in this situation. It is more like...because iOS is so efficient, Apple only needs to support 1 GB of RAM thus maintaining the best in class mobile device battery life. The concept is that the more RAM the device needs to power up the more battery is consumed even when idle. If you put 4 GB of RAM in the device, you need to increase the size of the battery proportionally.  

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  • Reply 68 of 124
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    Originally Posted by patpatpat View Post



    Good to see Apple can look past "sentiment" to deliver an outstanding product.

     

    Apple has been cutting back on display, memory orders from Samsung.  It's just that Apple doesn't have much of a choice when it comes to choosing a fab supplier.  So much for looking past the sentiment.. 

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  • Reply 69 of 124

    DED, HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.

    PIE IN FACE!!!!!

    Everyone who read that piece of fantasy crap editorial from DED, and was glowing with so much Apple Pride now realize how blind loyalty can make you believe so much fabricated BS. Let this be a listen to all you who are quick to believe something so obviously full of crap only because it fit your agenda. 

    Samsung  1, DED  0, Apple Fanboys -1000

     

    Over 306 comments in that thread. Not too many here, must be busy trying to hide from the truth. lol

     

    HOW EMBARRASSING!!!! 

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  • Reply 70 of 124
    Explains why they didn’t even say anything about starting to do that until Apple had already done so.

    Incorrect. It was already announced in roadmaps, but was not really discussed with much interest until after the iphone 5s was announced, for obvious reasons.

    Thanks for stating you know nothing about 64-bit.

    What is your expertise on the matter? All I see posted by you is a regurgitation of a jumble of other people's ideas, of which it seems you only have a superficial understanding.

    Do your research before you imply that others are ignorant.
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  • Reply 71 of 124
    mstone wrote: »
    I think shackled is the wrong term to use in this situation. It is more like...because iOS is so efficient, Apple only needs to support 1 GB of RAM thus maintaining the best in class mobile device battery life. The concept is that the more RAM the device needs to power up the more battery is consumed even when idle. If you put 4 GB of RAM in the device, you need to increase the size of the battery proportionally.  

    I wouldn't call it proportional at all. In fact, the additional power usage would be quite negligible. A quadrupling of memory capacity would not result in a quadrupling of power consumption, or even a doubling of it. It would be a very small increase in power consumption. It would, however, encroach on Apple's profit margins.
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  • Reply 72 of 124
    Originally Posted by lawofficer View Post
    Do your research before you imply that others are ignorant.

     

    So you stand behind the implication that 64-bit is useless without 4+ gigabytes of RAM?

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  • Reply 73 of 124

    So Apple now is coming out with specs just so they can claim to be first for the sake of being first. No use for a 64 bit OS at the moment. Minuscule RAM with minuscule number of apps (if any at the moment) to support 64 bit. 

     

    Samsung bringing 64 bit CPUs makes a lot more sense as their new Tizen OS is 64 Bit compliant straight away. We're talking about an OS more open, more powerful, and more flexible than Android. All the while being more fluid and stable.  Yeah, be prepared for total domination of the market. 

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  • Reply 74 of 124
    tooltalk wrote: »
    Apple has been cutting back on display, memory orders from Samsung.  It's just that Apple doesn't have much of a choice when it comes to choosing a fab supplier.  So much for looking past the sentiment.. 

    Really, you are an expert on apples supply chain, just like ded was?
    Bottom line is that Apple does what is best for their margin, if you think any different then you should apply for cookes job.

    Sheesh.....
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  • Reply 75 of 124
    Originally Posted by Ralph Malph

    So Apple now is coming out with specs just so they can claim to be first for the sake of being first. 

     

    Nope. Try again.

     

    No use for a 64 bit OS at the moment.


     

    Nope. Try again.

     

    Minuscule RAM with minuscule number of apps (if any at the moment) to support 64 bit. 


     

    Completely wrong and 2 man hours of work, respectively. Try again.

     
     Samsung bringing 64 bit CPUs makes a lot more sense as their new Tizen OS is 64 Bit compliant straight away. We're talking about an OS more open, more powerful, and more flexible than Android. All the while being more fluid and stable.  Yeah, be prepared for total domination of the market. 

     

    Shut up and go away, you worthless ingrates. Where do you idiots get off even coming to this website?

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  • Reply 76 of 124
    Nope. Try again.

    Nope. Try again.

    Completely wrong and 2 man hours of work, respectively. Try again.

    Shut up and go away, you worthless ingrates. Where do you idiots get off even coming to this website?

    There were 64 bit phones last year bud!

    http://m.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/huawei-ascend-d-quad-is-as-powerful-as-a-64-bit-pc-1066474

    And it ran a custom Linux android kernel
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  • Reply 77 of 124

     

    Runs “at 64-bit”, huh?

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  • Reply 78 of 124
    grkm3 wrote: »
    Nope. Try again.

    Nope. Try again.

    Completely wrong and 2 man hours of work, respectively. Try again.

    Shut up and go away, you worthless ingrates. Where do you idiots get off even coming to this website?

    There were 64 bit phones last year bud!

    http://m.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/huawei-ascend-d-quad-is-as-powerful-as-a-64-bit-pc-1066474

    And it ran a custom Linux android kernel

    I read that it runs stock Android 4

    http://pr.huawei.com/en/news/hw-124124-mwcworldsfastestquad-coresmartphonehuaweiascenddqu.htm#.Uj1B7-caySM

    Where did you get the custom 64-bit OS piece?
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  • Reply 79 of 124

    http://www.slashgear.com/android-64-bit-support-already-baked-in-just-add-hardware-17298038/

     

    “[While Apple touted 64-bit support in the new iPhone,] that’s done in Linux, has been done for a long time. The Android ecosystem just picks that up by default, they don’t have to go through any special development process to do that.” – Linux Foundation Executive Director Jim Zemlin

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  • Reply 80 of 124
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    And all generations of Android will never use 64 bit. I think it's funny that other vendors have been allegedly working on better tech prior to Apple but Apple releases it first.

     

    One more time...

     

    “[While Apple touted 64-bit support in the new iPhone,] that’s done in Linux, has been done for a long time. The Android ecosystem just picks that up by default, they don’t have to go through any special development process to do that.” – Linux Foundation Executive Director Jim Zemlin

     

    ANDROID IS PART OF THE LINUX FAMILY and it uses the same basic kernel that pics up code as it evolves and can be/is used by all variants.  It supports both 32-bit and 64-bit instructions and has been 64-bit capable for years.  Stop the madness, please...

     

    As I said in my first post, sure Apple has a chip capable of running 64-bit.  I still feel that this particular phone, the 5s, will be left behind when they come out with actual software and applications that can fully make use of the capabilities of a 64-bit OS.  Let's let time be the judge of whether I'm right or wrong.

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