“[While Apple touted 64-bit support in the new iPhone,] that’s done in Linux, has been done for a long time. The Android ecosystem just picks that up by default, they don’t have to go through any special development process to do that.” – Linux Foundation Executive Director Jim Zemlin
ANDROID IS PART OF THE LINUX FAMILY and it uses the same basic kernel that pics up code as it evolves and can be/is used by all variants. It supports both 32-bit and 64-bit instructions and has been 64-bit capable for years. Stop the madness, please...
Facts such as this will never penetrate the bubble that they live in. Remember these are people that line up for hours or days for something they can get anytime online. How anyone can decide to do such a thing speaks volumes about their lack of good judgment.
Most of you here talk about making an advance micro processor is like frying chips (ever been to England, call chips here too) if it was that easy, where is all the other processors makers now?
Having a blue print and foundry is one thing. Able to make it happens - with the vision, deep pocket and guts to do so is another. It's not like push a button, put potato in, and chips will come out from the other end.
I am sure Android will move to 64 bit eventually. But what I want to emphasis here is this - all this Apple haters say Apple don't innovate any more. Seriously? Making screen bigger is call innovation? Where design (and works!) using low memory foot print (those keep saying throw more ram in there, why? Seriously?) using you know who said at WWDC this year "don't innovate anymore my ass"
And Tim is an ultra cool awesome businessman. Who ever delivery at the time / cost / + a million things get the contract.
Do you know how many of your possession are made? Burberry made in Shenzhen. Gucci made in Yangzhou. Nike made everywhere but US of A. So take it as it is.
I use both an iphone5 and an HTC One, so I don't see myself as a fanboy of neither iOS nor Android.
Having said that... Ralph Malph and Earthzero:
Your ignorance about Linux and 64 bits computing (or more specifically memory handling, kernels and apps "written for 64 bits) is embarrassing to say the least.
Please go read up on the subject, before you embarrass yourself and other Android owners again.
Yes, the iPhone is the first 64 bits smartphone. And it can take advantage of that in ways that an Android phone can't, thanks to fragmentation.
And no, Android isn't "Linux" anymore than BB10 is QNX.
I think shackled is the wrong term to use in this situation. It is more like...because iOS is so efficient, Apple only needs to support 1 GB of RAM thus maintaining the best in class mobile device battery life. The concept is that the more RAM the device needs to power up the more battery is consumed even when idle. If you put 4 GB of RAM in the device, you need to increase the size of the battery proportionally.
This is complete rubbish. The power draw of 2 or 4GB of dram is negligible. In fact with more dram the system and applications become much more efficient, which if anything, helps battery life.
The use of 1GB is purely a cost/margin choice.
And all generations of Android will never use 64 bit. I think it's funny that other vendors have been allegedly working on better tech prior to Apple but Apple releases it first.
Full marks for most meaningless post on this thread.
Right, but it does increase. How soon will that RAM that only powers what’s in use be ready, anyway?
Not by any meaningful amount. It's like saying that the 64GB iphone has worse battery life than the 16GB. Again it probably does but not by any meaningful amount, certainly nothing that can be easily observed.
Android will never have all devices actively being sold capable of 64-bit processing.
Maybe so, but that's not what the poster stated.
How many iphone 5,4s and 4 will be active in 3 years? Quite a large number, and not a sniff of 64 bits on them.
Then what you stated is absolutely meaningless and no less true than what jungmark stated in the first place, meaning there was no reason to argue it or try to diminish Apple by pointing anything out.
Then what you stated is absolutely meaningless and no less true than what jungmark stated in the first place, meaning there was no reason to argue it or try to diminish Apple by pointing anything out.
I just assumed you had meaning to your post.
A little grumpy this morning?
Where did I try to diminish apple? I merely pointed out that the post was meaningless because all generations of apple devices will never be 64bit either.
Don't try and read into something that isn't there just to be argumentative.
It must also be meaningless that all current Macs are X86 because “not all Macs have ever been X86.“
Either that or, as I’ve already said, the message is utterly different and your post was completely pointless.
Exactly, go reread the original post. Nowhere was there mention of "current" or "actively sold", hence a meaninglessness post as you have nicely pointed out.
Samsung does a great job of manufacturing! They're a great company! Apple needs them right now.
Samsung's problem is that they can manufacture beyond Android's abilities. And Google can't simply increase Android's sophistication, due to extreme market fragmentation. Android has to work on legacy phones, and any new version of Android won't be upgraded by a majority of Android users worldwide.
This is a problem for Samsung. Their solution is going to be making their own cutting edge OS copying iOS7. Samsung will come out with their own version of iOS7, innovating no doubt in many ways.
Google will come out with its own OS as well. Chrome will run on tablets, phones, watches, googles, etc.
And Amazon will continue to refine its forked Android until it comes Android's own proprietary system.
We're not going to repeat Windows 98 here. Every company wants badly to be Apple. Why? Easy! Apple is making all the money in the sector lol!
Maybe you are a genius or a promising article writer in the future...But do you know that Android accounts for 75 percent market share? Please explain how Apple is making all the money? And as for Windows 98... Does Apple have any touch-based ultrabook PCs? No? Well the brand new Windows 8 is exclusively designed for touch screens and if you spend the same amount of price for a Mac Book you will get a Windows tablet/ultrabook hybrid with wacom digitizers that Apple never supports. Take a look at the new Surface Pro 2 when it's released.
Now who wants to be who? Using your argument it makes more sense to say that Apple wants badly to be Microsoft (which I would disagree, this is the same logic of your argument). Apple is totally in a different path which the company does great, I only respect it, but so is the Microsoft. I see a great feature in ultrabook hybrids as they will give you "ALL" the opportunities of a PC and still can be a tablet which at the moment lacks applications in numbers. If Windows Store will continue developing fast, Apple will need to do act fast. I do not agree that every company wants to be Apple. Apple is good at what it does, it is a choice that it does not support stylus digitizers (please don't say iPen, it is expensive and not supported by so many apps) and touch screens for macbooks, neither it supports convertible laptops. It is a conservative brand for PCs and trying to be innovative for phones. But again, I respect but find all the products so over-priced especially in other countries out of America.
But do you know that Android accounts for 75 percent market share? Please explain how Apple is making all the money?
You’re embarrassing yourself. Please stop.
And as for Windows 98... Does Apple have any touch-based ultrabook PCs? No?
Right, because the very idea is completely idiotic and said computers are not used for touch purposes after the initial, “Hey, dude; look at this.”
Well the brand new Windows 8 is exclusively designed for touch screens
Oh! That explains why the software is so effing WORTHLESS as a real operating system! Thanks for the clarification.
…and if you spend the same amount of price for a Mac Book you will get a Windows tablet/ultrabook hybrid with wacom digitizers that Apple never supports.
Yes, let’s all spend the same amount of money and get a POS computer that will work for two years with POS software that is the industry standard in fertilizer and control it with a POS gimmick for which said software isn’t even designed. THAT’S a good idea.
And I’d love to know how it’s Apple’s fault that Wacom’s hardware “doesn’t” work with theirs.
Take a look at the new Surface Pro 2 when it's released.
I will. I always enjoy a laugh.
Now who wants to be who?
I don’t know, but he’s on first.
If Windows Store will continue developing fast, Apple will need to do act fast.
Sure it will. Just like how the Android Store makes developers more money than… oh, wait.
Apple is good at what it does, it is a choice that it does not support stylus digitizers…
There you go again. This is somehow Apple’s fault that third parties refuse to make something compatible?
…neither it supports convertible laptops.
“We’re not in the junk business.” –Tim Cook.
…all the products so over-priced especially in other countries out of America.
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Nope. Try again.
Completely wrong and 2 man hours of work, respectively. Try again.
Shut up and go away, you worthless ingrates. Where do you idiots get off even coming to this website?
Wow, a lot of bitterness in those words. You must be 12, so I'll forgive the temper tantrum.
One more time...
“[While Apple touted 64-bit support in the new iPhone,] that’s done in Linux, has been done for a long time. The Android ecosystem just picks that up by default, they don’t have to go through any special development process to do that.” – Linux Foundation Executive Director Jim Zemlin
ANDROID IS PART OF THE LINUX FAMILY and it uses the same basic kernel that pics up code as it evolves and can be/is used by all variants. It supports both 32-bit and 64-bit instructions and has been 64-bit capable for years. Stop the madness, please...
Facts such as this will never penetrate the bubble that they live in. Remember these are people that line up for hours or days for something they can get anytime online. How anyone can decide to do such a thing speaks volumes about their lack of good judgment.
Explains why they didn’t even say anything about starting to do that until Apple had already done so.
Thanks for stating you know nothing about 64-bit.
I think you've already repeatedly proven your ignorance all through this thread.
Having a blue print and foundry is one thing. Able to make it happens - with the vision, deep pocket and guts to do so is another. It's not like push a button, put potato in, and chips will come out from the other end.
I am sure Android will move to 64 bit eventually. But what I want to emphasis here is this - all this Apple haters say Apple don't innovate any more. Seriously? Making screen bigger is call innovation? Where design (and works!) using low memory foot print (those keep saying throw more ram in there, why? Seriously?) using you know who said at WWDC this year "don't innovate anymore my ass"
And Tim is an ultra cool awesome businessman. Who ever delivery at the time / cost / + a million things get the contract.
Do you know how many of your possession are made? Burberry made in Shenzhen. Gucci made in Yangzhou. Nike made everywhere but US of A. So take it as it is.
Welcome to the real business world.
Having said that... Ralph Malph and Earthzero:
Your ignorance about Linux and 64 bits computing (or more specifically memory handling, kernels and apps "written for 64 bits) is embarrassing to say the least.
Please go read up on the subject, before you embarrass yourself and other Android owners again.
Yes, the iPhone is the first 64 bits smartphone. And it can take advantage of that in ways that an Android phone can't, thanks to fragmentation.
And no, Android isn't "Linux" anymore than BB10 is QNX.
64 bit will only take advantage of its processing power when there is more than 4GB of RAM.
Most phones now only have 1 - 2GB of RAM.
Samsung's Galaxy Note 3 now has 3GB of Ram.
Again, Apple is Samsung's bitch.
Samsung wins either way.
Again, that’s wrong.
Again, you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about. Par for your course.
The use of 1GB is purely a cost/margin choice.
Right, but it does increase. How soon will that RAM that only powers what’s in use be ready, anyway?
Full marks for most meaningless post on this thread.
Will all generations of iPhone/ios use 64bits?
Yes, in exactly three years at the latest.
Android will never have all devices actively being sold capable of 64-bit processing.
Maybe so, but that's not what the poster stated.
How many iphone 5,4s and 4 will be active in 3 years? Quite a large number, and not a sniff of 64 bits on them.
Then what you stated is absolutely meaningless and no less true than what jungmark stated in the first place, meaning there was no reason to argue it or try to diminish Apple by pointing anything out.
I just assumed you had meaning to your post.
Where did I try to diminish apple? I merely pointed out that the post was meaningless because all generations of apple devices will never be 64bit either.
Don't try and read into something that isn't there just to be argumentative.
It must also be meaningless that all current Macs are X86 because “not all Macs have ever been X86.“
Either that or, as I’ve already said, the message is utterly different and your post was completely pointless.
Samsung does a great job of manufacturing! They're a great company! Apple needs them right now.
Samsung's problem is that they can manufacture beyond Android's abilities. And Google can't simply increase Android's sophistication, due to extreme market fragmentation. Android has to work on legacy phones, and any new version of Android won't be upgraded by a majority of Android users worldwide.
This is a problem for Samsung. Their solution is going to be making their own cutting edge OS copying iOS7. Samsung will come out with their own version of iOS7, innovating no doubt in many ways.
Google will come out with its own OS as well. Chrome will run on tablets, phones, watches, googles, etc.
And Amazon will continue to refine its forked Android until it comes Android's own proprietary system.
We're not going to repeat Windows 98 here. Every company wants badly to be Apple. Why? Easy! Apple is making all the money in the sector lol!
Maybe you are a genius or a promising article writer in the future...But do you know that Android accounts for 75 percent market share? Please explain how Apple is making all the money? And as for Windows 98... Does Apple have any touch-based ultrabook PCs? No? Well the brand new Windows 8 is exclusively designed for touch screens and if you spend the same amount of price for a Mac Book you will get a Windows tablet/ultrabook hybrid with wacom digitizers that Apple never supports. Take a look at the new Surface Pro 2 when it's released.
Now who wants to be who? Using your argument it makes more sense to say that Apple wants badly to be Microsoft (which I would disagree, this is the same logic of your argument). Apple is totally in a different path which the company does great, I only respect it, but so is the Microsoft. I see a great feature in ultrabook hybrids as they will give you "ALL" the opportunities of a PC and still can be a tablet which at the moment lacks applications in numbers. If Windows Store will continue developing fast, Apple will need to do act fast. I do not agree that every company wants to be Apple. Apple is good at what it does, it is a choice that it does not support stylus digitizers (please don't say iPen, it is expensive and not supported by so many apps) and touch screens for macbooks, neither it supports convertible laptops. It is a conservative brand for PCs and trying to be innovative for phones. But again, I respect but find all the products so over-priced especially in other countries out of America.
But do you know that Android accounts for 75 percent market share? Please explain how Apple is making all the money?
You’re embarrassing yourself. Please stop.
Right, because the very idea is completely idiotic and said computers are not used for touch purposes after the initial, “Hey, dude; look at this.”
Oh! That explains why the software is so effing WORTHLESS as a real operating system! Thanks for the clarification.
Yes, let’s all spend the same amount of money and get a POS computer that will work for two years with POS software that is the industry standard in fertilizer and control it with a POS gimmick for which said software isn’t even designed. THAT’S a good idea.
And I’d love to know how it’s Apple’s fault that Wacom’s hardware “doesn’t” work with theirs.
I will. I always enjoy a laugh.
I don’t know, but he’s on first.
Sure it will. Just like how the Android Store makes developers more money than… oh, wait.
There you go again. This is somehow Apple’s fault that third parties refuse to make something compatible?
“We’re not in the junk business.” –Tim Cook.
Go read a dictionary.