For those of you telling DED to stop giving these miscreants "air time" you need to realize that if he does not refute, rebuke, denounce, and trounce their idiocy then the rest of the world will only read/hear their drivel and think it the truth.
At least DED can make them look as stupid as they really are.
OMG! Plato died - the end of all of Greece is nigh! Einstein did not change the world every year - what a useless waste of humanity.
Did we really NEED these types of people and thousands like them (Steve Jobs) to constantly WOW us. I feel ashamed and scared as hell for the current generations of humanity. Gluttony, gluttony, gluttony. A must have new and instant and always on society. At least according to these wastes of DNA.
Another really stupid illustration of my point is why are these same imbeciles not applying the exact same analysis against the entire movie and film industry? After all, Steve/Pixar changed that ball game too am I right? So why are they not crapping on Disney after every movie release because Steve is not there to innovate or change that industry?
Stop listening to "analyst 'experts'", and do your OWN research -- learn to think for yourself and don't blindly trust "authority"! Yes, the late Timothy Leary said something similar.
ah, you should all (not) see Joe Wilcox over at Beta News desperately trying to debunk the 9 million sold fact of the matter. that just means shipped not real sales (he must think it's Samsung)! they're stuffing the channel!! and ... and ... wider distribution. so it's worse than last year!!! i say so!!!!
it's sheer panic on the droid/MS side of the fence this week. they know the 5s is going to clean their clock, and they know Touch ID is a "killer" feature they just don't have an answer for.
"Only 14 iPhone 5c models had been sold at the seven stores that divulged numbers. Another two stores that didn't divulge figures said the 5c wasn't selling well and that they had "plenty" in stock."
That's a cherry picked quote but the general tenor is that the 5C in Australia is not selling at 1:3, 1:4 or perhaps even 1:20 on the 5S.
I suspect there's a fair bit of inventory out there.
I ordered my 5S the moment it became available and I'm still waiting for shipment notification.
"Only 14 iPhone 5c models had been sold at the seven stores that divulged numbers. Another two stores that didn't divulge figures said the 5c wasn't selling well and that they had "plenty" in stock."
OK, it's been less than a week. Shop sales of the 5c are lower than the top line 5s. The 5c was available for preorder a week in advance, which the 5s wasn't. The only way to get a 5s on Friday was to go to a store and buy it. Meanwhile, if, for some reason, you wanted a 5c day and date of release, you preordered it the previous week, and had it delivered.
If I were to pretend to be an analyst of some sort, I'd say that people who buy the iPhone on day and date of release, will tend to go for the top of the line model, not for the "budget" model.
After all, people didn't rush out of their homes to buy the iPhone 4S last year, when it was moved into the same slot that the 5c now occupies.
Can we just wait for the initial orders to all be delivered, or even for the end of the year, before we decide if the 5c is a failure? And until we get some solid numbers before we start making up excuses for our projections being wrong?
These folks are BOUGHT, PAID FOR AND BRIBED up to the point of being remotely controlled. Their opinion and LACK OF FACTS should be exposed to the public thru ANY mechanism available to unmask trolls.
"Only 14 iPhone 5c models had been sold at the seven stores that divulged numbers. Another two stores that didn't divulge figures said the 5c wasn't selling well and that they had "plenty" in stock."
That's a cherry picked quote but the general tenor is that the 5C in Australia is not selling at 1:3, 1:4 or perhaps even 1:20 on the 5S.
I suspect there's a fair bit of inventory out there.
I ordered my 5S the moment it became available and I'm still waiting for shipment notification.
Having a product fly off the shelf faster than Apple can make it is not exactly a good thing either. They can't book revenue from people who really want to buy a product but can't because it's not in stock.
Apple simply needs to regain control of it public relations and spend more on advertising. Right now Samsung dominates the advertising market on TV & internet so my bet is this is why so many people kowtow to everything Samsung. In addition, Samsung pays higher commissions to sales staff in brick &mortar stores. These people end up pushing Samsung products as better than anything else.. Samsung buys loyalty from the media & sales people. Perhaps Tim Cook should get off some of that money and do the same.
There is nothing Apple should do. Read the book - Insanily Simple. First hand knowledge how Apple ad works. Steve Jobs really put his DNA into Apple.
Apple don't need to lower themselves to the level of Microsoft or Samsung. Clearly everyone think Apple is all about marketing. Then you can not be more wrong.
I will tell PR to shove it up their @ss any day. They are the most pointless job in the universe.
How do these analysts stay employed? They would have roasted Apple whether the iPhone 5c was actually cheap as some Chinese want (they've cheapen their brand, profit margins go downhill) or as it is (too expensive, but it sold anyways). They do this other companies, too. An analyst set a price target $10 under the closing price of the stock (Could be Piper, too) of Edwards Lifesciences! Of course it collapsed the next day (internet watchers) but now it has recovered. IMHO, the worst I saw was an analyst complaining that a company didn't rip off clients and making more money! (FYI, I work within that company.)
OK, it's been less than a week. Shop sales of the 5c are lower than the top line 5s. The 5c was available for preorder a week in advance, which the 5s wasn't. The only way to get a 5s on Friday was to go to a store and buy it. Meanwhile, if, for some reason, you wanted a 5c day and date of release, you preordered it the previous week, and had it delivered.
If I were to pretend to be an analyst of some sort, I'd say that people who buy the iPhone on day and date of release, will tend to go for the top of the line model, not for the "budget" model.
After all, people didn't rush out of their homes to buy the iPhone 4S last year, when it was moved into the same slot that the 5c now occupies.
Can we just wait for the initial orders to all be delivered, or even for the end of the year, before we decide if the 5c is a failure? And until we get some solid numbers before we start making up excuses for our projections being wrong?
Don't disagree on any of those points, but the original article I linked suggests that shopfronts are concerned they have a bunch of stock they expected to sell that they haven't moved. This is a new phone after all, even if some might call it a rehash of last year phone in a plastic case. Even the Apple stores have ample stock. Third party vendors don't want to be stuck with inventory.
Gene Munster's view that a good number of iPhones sold are sitting in stores' stock rooms seems about right to me.
Apple simply needs to regain control of it public relations and spend more on advertising. Right now Samsung dominates the advertising market on TV & internet so my bet is this is why so many people kowtow to everything Samsung. In addition, Samsung pays higher commissions to sales staff in brick &mortar stores. These people end up pushing Samsung products as better than anything else.. Samsung buys loyalty from the media & sales people. Perhaps Tim Cook should get off some of that money and do the same.
Are you kidding? Apple markets like no one else. Didn't you read the story about Samsung interviewing Apple line waiters with the question "why?" You think the analysts say what they say because Apple hasn't spent enough money for their message to reach them?
Don't disagree on any of those points, but the original article I linked suggests that shopfronts are concerned they have a bunch of stock they expected to sell that they haven't moved. This is a new phone after all, even if some might call it a rehash of last year phone in a plastic case. Even the Apple stores have ample stock. Third party vendors don't want to be stuck with inventory.
Gene Munster's view that a good number of iPhones sold are sitting in stores' stock rooms seems about right to me.
Even if it were true, I can't see the stores complaining. OK, they didn't sell in the first weekend, but they still sold a couple million units according to Munster (who is universally pessimistic about Apple). They'll still be sold within a few days or weeks. Hardly anything to be concerned about.
Furthermore, if they expected more than a couple of million to be sold, it's their own stupid fault. Apple doesn't just ship phones arbitrarily. They ship the number the customer orders. If the customer ordered too many, it's their own choice. Think about it - the 5C is Apple's second tier phone using last year's technology. No one in their right mind would expect it to sell as well as the latest phone. Yet even using Munster's pessimistic estimates, the 5C STILL sold more than almost any other phone ever released to the market (a few iPhones and maybe 2 Galaxy models - all of which used the newest technology being the sole exceptions). Calling this a failure is absurd.
How many "game changing" products has Microsoft, Google, Samsung or anyone else released in the last few years?
Or at any point in time, for that matter. Well, ok, Google perhaps when they started. But when I found out it was based on their PageRank system, I knew it would be crap. And I think it still is!
Samsung, nothing comes to mind.
MS? Well, no products that's for sure. But Bill did have a vision: Windows PC on every desk. Which, at the time, was a game changing idea, gotta give him that.
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These guys credibility just went from zero to -100. Hello? Lights are on but nobody's home? And the one idiot still uses a blackberry.
LOL and were taking him seriously? Blackberry = Dead company walking.
At least DED can make them look as stupid as they really are.
OMG! Plato died - the end of all of Greece is nigh! Einstein did not change the world every year - what a useless waste of humanity.
Did we really NEED these types of people and thousands like them (Steve Jobs) to constantly WOW us. I feel ashamed and scared as hell for the current generations of humanity. Gluttony, gluttony, gluttony. A must have new and instant and always on society. At least according to these wastes of DNA.
Another really stupid illustration of my point is why are these same imbeciles not applying the exact same analysis against the entire movie and film industry? After all, Steve/Pixar changed that ball game too am I right? So why are they not crapping on Disney after every movie release because Steve is not there to innovate or change that industry?
Food for thought.
ah, you should all (not) see Joe Wilcox over at Beta News desperately trying to debunk the 9 million sold fact of the matter. that just means shipped not real sales (he must think it's Samsung)! they're stuffing the channel!! and ... and ... wider distribution. so it's worse than last year!!! i say so!!!!
it's sheer panic on the droid/MS side of the fence this week. they know the 5s is going to clean their clock, and they know Touch ID is a "killer" feature they just don't have an answer for.
No doubt the 5S is flying off the shelves, but it seems likes there's easily 50,000 of the 5C sitting around in telco inventory in Australia.
http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/mobiles/australian-telcos-struggle-to-sell-iphone-5c-20130924-2ubc5.html
"Only 14 iPhone 5c models had been sold at the seven stores that divulged numbers. Another two stores that didn't divulge figures said the 5c wasn't selling well and that they had "plenty" in stock."
That's a cherry picked quote but the general tenor is that the 5C in Australia is not selling at 1:3, 1:4 or perhaps even 1:20 on the 5S.
I suspect there's a fair bit of inventory out there.
I ordered my 5S the moment it became available and I'm still waiting for shipment notification.
OK, it's been less than a week. Shop sales of the 5c are lower than the top line 5s. The 5c was available for preorder a week in advance, which the 5s wasn't. The only way to get a 5s on Friday was to go to a store and buy it. Meanwhile, if, for some reason, you wanted a 5c day and date of release, you preordered it the previous week, and had it delivered.
If I were to pretend to be an analyst of some sort, I'd say that people who buy the iPhone on day and date of release, will tend to go for the top of the line model, not for the "budget" model.
After all, people didn't rush out of their homes to buy the iPhone 4S last year, when it was moved into the same slot that the 5c now occupies.
Can we just wait for the initial orders to all be delivered, or even for the end of the year, before we decide if the 5c is a failure? And until we get some solid numbers before we start making up excuses for our projections being wrong?
I'm love to see his reaction to that question
Good start but we have to do more...
No doubt the 5S is flying off the shelves, but it seems likes there's easily 50,000 of the 5C sitting around in telco inventory in Australia.
http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/mobiles/australian-telcos-struggle-to-sell-iphone-5c-20130924-2ubc5.html
"Only 14 iPhone 5c models had been sold at the seven stores that divulged numbers. Another two stores that didn't divulge figures said the 5c wasn't selling well and that they had "plenty" in stock."
That's a cherry picked quote but the general tenor is that the 5C in Australia is not selling at 1:3, 1:4 or perhaps even 1:20 on the 5S.
I suspect there's a fair bit of inventory out there.
I ordered my 5S the moment it became available and I'm still waiting for shipment notification.
Having a product fly off the shelf faster than Apple can make it is not exactly a good thing either. They can't book revenue from people who really want to buy a product but can't because it's not in stock.
There is nothing Apple should do. Read the book - Insanily Simple. First hand knowledge how Apple ad works. Steve Jobs really put his DNA into Apple.
Apple don't need to lower themselves to the level of Microsoft or Samsung. Clearly everyone think Apple is all about marketing. Then you can not be more wrong.
I will tell PR to shove it up their @ss any day. They are the most pointless job in the universe.
And now, they're calling the 5c a "Surface style flop". http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/computers/blogs/gadgets-on-the-go/is-the-iphone-5c-apples-surface-rt-flop-20130925-2ud7n.html
OK, it's been less than a week. Shop sales of the 5c are lower than the top line 5s. The 5c was available for preorder a week in advance, which the 5s wasn't. The only way to get a 5s on Friday was to go to a store and buy it. Meanwhile, if, for some reason, you wanted a 5c day and date of release, you preordered it the previous week, and had it delivered.
If I were to pretend to be an analyst of some sort, I'd say that people who buy the iPhone on day and date of release, will tend to go for the top of the line model, not for the "budget" model.
After all, people didn't rush out of their homes to buy the iPhone 4S last year, when it was moved into the same slot that the 5c now occupies.
Can we just wait for the initial orders to all be delivered, or even for the end of the year, before we decide if the 5c is a failure? And until we get some solid numbers before we start making up excuses for our projections being wrong?
Don't disagree on any of those points, but the original article I linked suggests that shopfronts are concerned they have a bunch of stock they expected to sell that they haven't moved. This is a new phone after all, even if some might call it a rehash of last year phone in a plastic case. Even the Apple stores have ample stock. Third party vendors don't want to be stuck with inventory.
Gene Munster's view that a good number of iPhones sold are sitting in stores' stock rooms seems about right to me.
Are you kidding? Apple markets like no one else. Didn't you read the story about Samsung interviewing Apple line waiters with the question "why?" You think the analysts say what they say because Apple hasn't spent enough money for their message to reach them?
Even if it were true, I can't see the stores complaining. OK, they didn't sell in the first weekend, but they still sold a couple million units according to Munster (who is universally pessimistic about Apple). They'll still be sold within a few days or weeks. Hardly anything to be concerned about.
Furthermore, if they expected more than a couple of million to be sold, it's their own stupid fault. Apple doesn't just ship phones arbitrarily. They ship the number the customer orders. If the customer ordered too many, it's their own choice. Think about it - the 5C is Apple's second tier phone using last year's technology. No one in their right mind would expect it to sell as well as the latest phone. Yet even using Munster's pessimistic estimates, the 5C STILL sold more than almost any other phone ever released to the market (a few iPhones and maybe 2 Galaxy models - all of which used the newest technology being the sole exceptions). Calling this a failure is absurd.
The phablet, glasses and wristwatch markets have not proved to be "game changers" so far.
Or at any point in time, for that matter. Well, ok, Google perhaps when they started. But when I found out it was based on their PageRank system, I knew it would be crap. And I think it still is!
Samsung, nothing comes to mind.
MS? Well, no products that's for sure. But Bill did have a vision: Windows PC on every desk. Which, at the time, was a game changing idea, gotta give him that.