Asus, HTC, LG and other Android licensees join Samsung in faking test results

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  • Reply 101 of 141
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by crysisftw View Post



    Stealing customer data and selling it to advertisers without their consent is bad enough. Lying about performance?!?!? I hate myself now for even trying to pehaps consider giving a though on may be purchasing an Android phone back in 2009.

     

    Google never steal data, by using Android, and other Google's services, you are more than willing to give up your privacy.

  • Reply 102 of 141
    alfiejralfiejr Posts: 1,524member
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    Originally Posted by JustSomDude View Post





    My bad, wasn't aware I had to be blindly raging at every Apple competitor in order to even post on this board.



    Hell, my only mentions of Apple will be positive as I can't see any reason to legitimately dislike Apple. So good luck trying to paint me as anti-Apple.

     

    sure, whatever.

  • Reply 103 of 141
    neo42neo42 Posts: 287member

    Benchmarks don't matter... unless there is some reason to use them in order to bash 'Fandroids'.  I don't know what's more pathetic, the increasing tendency of articles leveraging off other companies' apparent failure/error or the rabid, mindless preemptive ranting and bashing in discussion.

  • Reply 104 of 141
    alfiejralfiejr Posts: 1,524member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Neo42 View Post

     

    Benchmarks don't matter... unless there is some reason to use them in order to bash 'Fandroids'.  I don't know what's more pathetic, the increasing tendency of articles leveraging off other companies' apparent failure/error or the rabid, mindless preemptive ranting and bashing in discussion.


     

    sure, nothing to see here, move on. sweep it under the rug.  no big thing. almost everyone does it. nevermind that man behind the curtain. i was just following orders ...

  • Reply 105 of 141
    hjbhjb Posts: 278member
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    Originally Posted by Neo42 View Post

     

    Benchmarks don't matter... unless there is some reason to use them in order to bash 'Fandroids'.  I don't know what's more pathetic, the increasing tendency of articles leveraging off other companies' apparent failure/error or the rabid, mindless preemptive ranting and bashing in discussion.


     

    I agree with you that benchmarks do not matter, especially to those anything but Apple people here. 

     

    I too see many dirty mouses here, more childish reactions than MacRumors or any other tech site.  You would be called Fandroid, apologist, Android sheep...(you name it all would show up), if you have anything against Apple or anything pro or look-protective for their enemies like Sammy.

  • Reply 106 of 141
    I buy apple products because I know what I'm getting; quality and honesty. It's depressing that so many people have dismissed apple as just a fad with overpriced hardware that you can buy elsewhere. We all know that couldn't be farther from the truth!

    I'm glad to hear that google has maintained some standards of integrity; but I'm not sure I can forgive them for the gross copying of iOS.

    When Apple announced that the iPhone 5s was 2x faster than it's predecessor I believed it and I knew that it would be 2x faster in a meaningful way, not for some isolated benchmark. That's why I bought one without even seeing the device first and didn't think anything of it.

    Listen up all you electronics manufactures, in the long run, honesty and quality win the day. Your customers will only be as loyal to you as you are to them. Lie and cheat them and expect them to jump ship as soon as a bigger liar shows up in town. Be honest and focus on true innovation and they will keep coming back for more and love you for it... and they won't mind paying a little extra for your hard work!
  • Reply 107 of 141
    jdfergason wrote: »
    I buy apple products because I know what I'm getting; quality and honesty. It's depressing that so many people have dismissed apple as just a fad with overpriced hardware that you can buy elsewhere. We all know that couldn't be farther from the truth!

    I'm glad to hear that google has maintained some standards of integrity; but I'm not sure I can forgive them for the gross copying of iOS.

    When Apple announced that the iPhone 5s was 2x faster than it's predecessor I believed it and I knew that it would be 2x faster in a meaningful way, not for some isolated benchmark. That's why I bought one without even seeing the device first and didn't think anything of it.

    Listen up all you electronics manufactures, in the long run, honesty and quality win the day. Your customers will only be as loyal to you as you are to them. Lie and cheat them and expect them to jump ship as soon as a bigger liar shows up in town. Be honest and focus on true innovation and they will keep coming back for more and love you for it... and they won't mind paying a little extra for your hard work!

    Again with the copycat bs. Show me where Android 1.0 is a copy of iPhone OS...everyone says this. Is it because It's a touch based OS? It never did operate like iOS... Much to it's early detriment and now it's even further from iOS.
  • Reply 108 of 141
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    Originally Posted by JustSomDude View Post





    Again with the copycat bs. Show me where Android 1.0 is a copy of iPhone OS...everyone says this. Is it because It's a touch based OS? It never did operate like iOS... Much to it's early detriment and now it's even further from iOS.

     

    ^^^^^^^^^

    <img class=" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" /><img class=" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" /><img class=" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" /><img class=" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" /><img class=" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" /><img class=" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" /><img class=" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" /><img class=" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" /><img class=" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" /><img class=" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" /><img class=" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />

    OMFG_ROTFLPIMP

    You aren't trying to rehash that are you? where the hell have you been hiding for the last 5+ years?

    Android (since iOS and first iPhone) is a DIRECT rip-off of iOS. No debate needed, it was intended to be just that when it was first released as a touch screen OS. 

  • Reply 109 of 141
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    Originally Posted by RogueDogRandy View Post

     

     

    ^^^^^^^^^

    <img class=" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" /><img class=" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" /><img class=" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" /><img class=" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" /><img class=" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" /><img class=" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" /><img class=" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" /><img class=" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" /><img class=" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" /><img class=" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" /><img class=" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />

    OMFG_ROTFLPIMP

    You aren't trying to rehash that are you? where the hell have you been hiding for the last 5+ years?

    Android (since iOS and first iPhone) is a DIRECT rip-off of iOS. No debate needed, it was intended to be just that when it was first released as a touch screen OS. 


     

    SHOW  

     

    &

     

     

    yea...DIRECT

     

    It was intended to compete...not to be a copy. And it didn't even really do that until sometime in 2011.

     

    Samsung shamelessly copied Apple almost wholesale. And still do to this day.

     

     

    But if you're arguing that those 2 OSes that I just posted are so similar as to call one a copy then you'd have no problem admitting that the iOS notification center which is significantly different than Android's is in fact, a direct copy...somehow...since we aren't using words with their actual meanings now I guess.

     

    edit: just read your super duper awesome mature cool guy signature...arguing with you is going to be pointless so feel free to throwup some words as a response and continue being super mister cool.

  • Reply 110 of 141
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 12,968member
    I don’t understand. They’re allowed to lie in advertising–in TESTING, even–and they aren’t punished for it.

    So 'perpetrated lies go unpunished'?
  • Reply 111 of 141
    jragostajragosta Posts: 10,473member
    hjb wrote: »
    <span style="line-height:22.386363983154297px;">I agree with you that benchmarks do not matter, especially to those anything but Apple people here. </span>
    neo42 wrote: »
    Benchmarks don't matter... unless there is some reason to use them in order to bash 'Fandroids'.  I don't know what's more pathetic, the increasing tendency of articles leveraging off other companies' apparent failure/error or the rabid, mindless preemptive ranting and bashing in discussion.

    So if benchmarks don't matter and no one uses them, why did Samsung, Asus, HTC, LG, and others feel the need to cheat on the benchmarks?

    And why do so many reviews of phones include benchmark results?
    akqies wrote: »
    It's not genuine. It's been hacked — hence the name Hackintosh — so it can run on some other HW. This is why you see HW configurations that are very different from what Apple offers, which includes overclocked CPUs and high-end GPUs.

    At least Android can be freely downloaded and altered legally which you not only fail to account for but go to the ridiculous end to say that a modified version of Android, which is the nature of Android, is somehow cheating.

    It's clear that Samsung, LG, Asus and HTC have cheating by artificially throttling the CPU when different benchmarks so why do you feel the need to make shit up? All it does is make us reasonable Apple users look douchie when you make such foolish claims.

    No one is making anything up - except your silly arguments.

    Why in the world are you accusing Apple of cheating because some independent third party creates a Hackintosh?

    The two scenarios are worlds apart. In one case, Samsung, Asus, HTC, LG and others actively create hooks into their software that creates fake benchmark results. Users see official results from the vendor giving a specific benchmark result - a result that is meaningless in real life. In the other case, someone outside of Apple and with no ties at all to Apple creates a Hackintosh (in violation of Apple's TOS and specifically without Apple's consent or approval) and publishes a benchmark which is clearly NOT an Apple machine and there's no risk of confusion.

    How in the world do you consider those situations to be comparable in any way?
  • Reply 112 of 141
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 12,968member
    jragosta wrote: »

    So if benchmarks don't matter and no one uses them, why did Samsung, Asus, HTC, LG, and others feel the need to cheat on the benchmarks?

    And why do so many reviews of phones include benchmark results?

    It's a geek pissing contest. How many people actually consider benchmark scores when buying a phone? I think it's laughable that anyone would cheat on something that most people know nothing of.
  • Reply 113 of 141
    jragostajragosta Posts: 10,473member
    dasanman69 wrote: »
    It's a geek pissing contest. How many people actually consider benchmark scores when buying a phone? I think it's laughable that anyone would cheat on something that most people know nothing of.

    Then why did all those companies feel that it's important enough for them to fake the results?

    And why do so many reviews include benchmark scores?
  • Reply 114 of 141
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 12,968member
    jragosta wrote: »
    Then why did all those companies feel that it's important enough for them to fake the results?

    And why do so many reviews include benchmark scores?

    My guess is that they think that the reviewers will give their device a positive review because of its supposed performance. The funny thing is that the phone that's gotten good reviews as of late is the Moto X which Motorola specifically said that it's midrange in performance and specs. I'm sure you'll agree that features and functionality will always trump specs.
  • Reply 115 of 141
    jragostajragosta Posts: 10,473member
    dasanman69 wrote: »
    My guess is that they think that the reviewers will give their device a positive review because of its supposed performance. .

    So they think that lying about the benchmarks will help them in reviews.

    So your "it's nothing but a geek pissing contest" statement is false -by your own admission.
  • Reply 116 of 141
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 12,968member
    jragosta wrote: »
    So they think that lying about the benchmarks will help them in reviews.

    So your "it's nothing but a geek pissing contest" statement is false -by your own admission.

    Well you tell me, who brags about benchmark scores except geeks? I've overheard people bragging about screen size, about this feature and that feature but never once have I heard someone brag about benchmark scores.
  • Reply 117 of 141
    Originally Posted by bigpics View Post

    Two Google searches (wait, that's Google searches, but whatever) and the most mainstream organ I found covering the story was Yahoo News...

     

    From the Big Three…

     

    Now, this is all “personalized”, which is the most idiotic thing to happen to search engines. Not that I ever search for anything Android anyway, but still. :grumble:

     

    Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post

    So 'perpetrated lies go unpunished'?

     

    Presently. It’s some nice alliteration, but I just don’t get why it was confusing.

  • Reply 118 of 141
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    Originally Posted by mjtomlin View Post

     

    Absolutely love the title of the first table, "I Can't Believe I Have to Make This Table"

     

    LOL


    iLOVE

  • Reply 119 of 141
    akqiesakqies Posts: 768member
    jragosta wrote: »
    Why in the world are you accusing Apple of cheating because some independent third party creates a Hackintosh?

    You accused Apple of cheating with OS X by associative property of claiming that any recorded benchmarks of Android OS on Gekbench are proof that Google is cheating. Furthermore, you've completely ignored why one might strip a vanilla version of Android down to create a streamlined OS for a specific task while also claiming that Samsung, Asus, HTC, and LG are killing services to simply run these known benchmarks, which has not been shown by AnandTech or anyone else to be the case. All you've done is take something that makes Apple look good by comparison and taint it with your bias.
  • Reply 120 of 141
    alfiejralfiejr Posts: 1,524member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post





    Well you tell me, who brags about benchmark scores except geeks? I've overheard people bragging about screen size, about this feature and that feature but never once have I heard someone brag about benchmark scores.

     

    you are right that benchmarks are used mainly for marketing hype, since few buyers base their decision merely on benchmarks. but you are wrong to then dismiss hype as inconsequential in the marketplace. reviewers cite benchmarks as "objective" performance measures for purposes of comparison with competing products, which is then one building block of a product's overall perception in the marketplace. every positive factor helps that reputation, and 'power' factors like speed benchmarks do have a significant overall impact in that perception.

     

    what is particularly egregious about this undeniable lack of integrity by these OEM's is the comparison outcomes with competing products in the charts that typically are part of these reviews - the reputation of honest products is thus impugned by the false claims of the phonied up ones.

     

    to cut to the chase, Samsung's S phones have been hyped by some based on benchmarks as 'just as fast or faster than the iPhone' (prior to the 5s) - thus a technically equivalent product by that measure - to foster the meme of Samsung's overall technical parity with Apple. turns out that was very wrong.

     

    of course reputation matters.

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