Official Google Music app for Apple's iOS to launch this month - report

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  • Reply 21 of 45
    philboogiephilboogie Posts: 7,675member
    gatorguy wrote: »
    philboogie wrote: »
    Ah, an ad channel! With a bit of music in between; can't wait ¡

    Do hope royalties will be paid, this time.

    There's no ads on Google's All-Access Music. It's not an ad-supported music service like Apple's iRadio.

    No ads? So Google isn't even being true to themselves? Weird. What, exactly, is it actually that Google wants? To be in every single market that uses some form of digital storage, anything IT related? Or are they trying to do another Microsoftonian, by eliminating the competition and become #1 in whatever they do?
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  • Reply 22 of 45
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    No ads? So Google isn't even being true to themselves? Weird. What, exactly, is it actually that Google wants? To be in every single market that uses some form of digital storage, anything IT related? Or are they trying to do another Microsoftonian, by eliminating the competition and become #1 in whatever they do?

     

    They've been in this market for a while already, they're just going cross platform. They have a pretty impressive list of international availability.

    Music

    Australia, Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, Finland, France, Germany, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Netherlands, New Zealand, Portugal, Russia, Spain, Switzerland, United Kingdom, United States

    Music All Access

    Australia, Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, Finland, France, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Netherlands, New Zealand, Portugal, Russia, Spain, Switzerland, United Kingdom, United States

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  • Reply 23 of 45
    philboogiephilboogie Posts: 7,675member
    jessi wrote: »
    .... unlike google which violates customers rights with impunity, and doesn't respect privacy.

    Or copyrights, like photos from Life Magazine, books, French news agency AFP et cetera
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  • Reply 24 of 45
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,769member
    philboogie wrote: »
    No ads? So Google isn't even being true to themselves? Weird. What, exactly, is it actually that Google wants? To be in every single market that uses some form of digital storage, anything IT related? Or are they trying to do another Microsoftonian, by eliminating the competition and become #1 in whatever they do?

    By the same token what is Apple wanting to accomplish? For the first time (?) they've abandoned their traditional pay-for-services and embraced Google's typical ad targeting/data mining approach. Is it a harbinger of more to come, with Apple doing more to monetize their users? That's what I think will happen.
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  • Reply 25 of 45
    philboogiephilboogie Posts: 7,675member
    patpatpat wrote: »
    They've been in this market for a while already, they're just going cross platform. They have a pretty impressive list of international availability.

    Wow, didn't know that. They seem very persistent. I must admit, I fail to see the reasons for all this, but whatever.
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  • Reply 26 of 45
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     My kids use iTunes radio but my youngest is pissed off that she can't skip and control everything. She rarely listens to a song all the way (!) For here a 9 bucks a month service would probably be much better


    Hmmm...I'm able to skip songs.  But yes, pause and skip is pretty much the only form of control with iTunes Radio

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  • Reply 27 of 45
    philboogiephilboogie Posts: 7,675member
    gatorguy wrote: »
    philboogie wrote: »
    No ads? So Google isn't even being true to themselves? Weird. What, exactly, is it actually that Google wants? To be in every single market that uses some form of digital storage, anything IT related? Or are they trying to do another Microsoftonian, by eliminating the competition and become #1 in whatever they do?

    By the same token what is Apple wanting to accomplish? For the first time (?) they've abandoned their traditional pay-for-services and embraced Google's typical ad targeting/data mining approach. Is it a harbinger of more to come, with Apple doing more to monetize their users? That's what I think will happen.

    Apple is a hardware company and they create software and services to make their products more valuable. Seems to be working out great for them, with very high satisfaction rates for their products.
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  • Reply 28 of 45
    rogifanrogifan Posts: 10,669member
    gatorguy wrote: »
    By the same token what is Apple wanting to accomplish? For the first time (?) they've abandoned their traditional pay-for-services and embraced Google's typical ad targeting/data mining approach. Is it a harbinger of more to come, with Apple doing more to monetize their users? That's what I think will happen.
    Can you expand on the data mining within iTunes radio? I'm assuming the only thing iTunes radio is tracking is my music selections so it can build better custom radio stations.
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  • Reply 29 of 45
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    Can you expand on the data mining within iTunes radio? I'm assuming the only thing iTunes radio is tracking is my music selections so it can build better custom radio stations.

     

    I would imagine that ads delivered to any user are only useful if they can be targeted (tailored to users habits/likes) which usually requires some data mining. 

     

    Did anyone watch Person of Interest Episode 2 this week. The CEO of a data mining company gave the president of a potential investing company, a present of a baby rattle, even though the president had not announced his wife was pregnant. The CEO based it on the presidents decrease in alcohol consumption over last 2 months and increase in purchase of yoghurt/dairy products, all which was learned from data mining the guys "vons card" usage.

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  • Reply 30 of 45
    paxmanpaxman Posts: 4,729member
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    Hmmm...I'm able to skip songs.  But yes, pause and skip is pretty much the only form of control with iTunes Radio


     

    Limited skipping. No good for an 11 yo. :/

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  • Reply 31 of 45
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    Then what is the point of it? Google is an ad company, unless it is just to gain access to the data on your device.


    I would argue that many of The Google's services/offerings are intended to disrupt and to ensure majority control (i.e. acquire data &  mindshare) of the worlds computing/mobile experience.  Note that I said "many" not all.  The Google, thru betas and half-baked services, is truly good enough...good enough to hold your attention and compete with all other services.  It is not The Google's intention to give you the best possible experience, instead, its to perpetuate ad revenue.  It ALL comes down to ad revenue.

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  • Reply 32 of 45
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    Originally Posted by drewys808 View Post

     

    I would argue that many of The Google's services/offerings are intended to disrupt and to ensure majority control (i.e. acquire data &  mindshare) of the worlds computing/mobile experience.  Note that I said "many" not all.  The Google, thru betas and half-baked services, is truly good enough...good enough to hold your attention and compete with all other services.  It is not The Google's intention to give you the best possible experience, instead, its to perpetuate ad revenue.  It ALL comes down to ad revenue.


     

    True. While they may not be delivering ads in its music app, the data gathered by the app could be used to feed ad recommendation engines that deliver ads via other paths, like while browsing the web.

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  • Reply 33 of 45

    I'm amazed no one has mentioned this, but Google Music does not have to cost money.  They give you FREE cloud space for up to ~20,000 songs that you can stream to the web, or the google music client.  I've been using google music for 6 months or so now, and absolutely love it.  I have my 1000 or CDs that I owned uploaded, and it works pretty flawlessly.  It's a far better deal to me than paying apple $29.99 or whatever for a year to hold only a few gigs of my music. 

     

    Phil

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  • Reply 34 of 45
    philgar wrote: »
    I'm amazed no one has mentioned this, but Google Music does not have to cost money.  They give you FREE cloud space for up to ~20,000 songs that you can stream to the web, or the google music client.  I've been using google music for 6 months or so now, and absolutely love it.  I have my 1000 or CDs that I owned uploaded, and it works pretty flawlessly.  It's a far better deal to me than paying apple $29.99 or whatever for a year to hold only a few gigs of my music. 

    Phil

    For the record - iTunes Match has a 25,000 song (not including what you purchased from iTunes) limit. So not "a few gigs" - plus you get 256kbps AAC files.
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  • Reply 35 of 45
    rogifan wrote: »
    Can you expand on the data mining within iTunes radio? I'm assuming the only thing iTunes radio is tracking is my music selections so it can build better custom radio stations.

    Not to mention this.

    400
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  • Reply 36 of 45
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,769member
    starbird73 wrote: »
    Not to mention this.

    400

    Which does not mean data isn't being collected by APPLE. It just means 3rd party advertisers shouldn't be allowed to use your Advertising Identifier, which would probably mean no personalized ads.
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  • Reply 37 of 45
    allenbfallenbf Posts: 993member
    Personally I will stick with Spotify. I like the ability to play specific songs, which Apple doesn't allow. Google does allow this but I'm already across all my devices with Spotify.

    $120 per year for all the music i could ever want, offline or on.
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  • Reply 38 of 45
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    Originally Posted by paxman View Post

     

     

    Limited skipping. No good for an 11 yo. :/


     

    I thought you could skip all you want if you subscribe to iTunes Match.  I skip on itunes radio alot and it always works---confirmed, i just switched stations multiple times and skipped half a dozen on every one-

    So i think iTunes match for $25 a year is a great deal 

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  • Reply 39 of 45
    gatorguy wrote: »
    There's no ads on Google's All-Access Music. It's not an ad-supported music service like Apple's iRadio.
    Just like apples, yet apples is cheaper, but has a free version,

    If google makes free version it will be added!

    gatorguy wrote: »

    Correct, but they're two entirely different services. You can specify a particular song, artist, album etc on Google All-Access and even add any songs you like to your personal library at no additional charge. You can't do any of those with iRadio AFAIK. I particularly like having a channel available with only music I've given a thumbs up.
    google has a better deal on that free, yet you can always look it up again on apple I guess.
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  • Reply 40 of 45
    paxmanpaxman Posts: 4,729member
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    Originally Posted by RogueDogRandy View Post

     

     

    I thought you could skip all you want if you subscribe to iTunes Match.  I skip on itunes radio alot and it always works---confirmed, i just switched stations multiple times and skipped half a dozen on every one-

    So i think iTunes match for $25 a year is a great deal 


     

    Ah, yes, I hope you are right. I have iTunes Match and it is a great deal. With iTunes Radio it will be even better! But until iTunes Radio is available beyond the US I have to use our non iTunes Match US iTunes account in order to get iTunes Radio at all. Sometimes life really sucks... ;)

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